Will there be another lockdown?

Risteard81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083379#Comment_118083379

All of them.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083401#Comment_118083401

Various aspects were challenged in court and none of them were struck down. They were not unlawful.

You shouldn't spread misinformation.

Deeper Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082350#Comment_118082350

That post has to be a pisstake?

"The only way out is the complete suppression of this virus"

FFS

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082350#Comment_118082350

I can't help but feel that we'd be in a far better situation now if the restrictions had been far more stringent in the first instance. Instead, we're probably staring down the barrel of yet another semi-lockdown (there has never been anything close to an actual lockdown) in the near future, the government having made the same mistakes several times over, hoping for different results each time. They'll probably wait til after Christmas again, causing maximum damage in the process.

jigglypuffz

My post seems to have been high jacked by "personal responsibility" folks who probably show little to no personal responsibility as they are also saying "I'm gonna do what I want because I did want they want. If someone's gran dies, that's their problem. I can't stay home anymore."

I was just curious to know if the govt gave any timeline of if/when a lockdown would occur. Geeeez.

Risteard81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083403#Comment_118083403

They weren't adequately tested at all. Gemma and John did a complete non-challenge.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083837#Comment_118083837

Oh great, a poster who thinks Gemma O'Doherty and John Waters aren't crazy enough.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083377#Comment_118083377

Let me guess, washing your hands after going for a number two is "virtue signalling" too?

How about washing your hands after going for a pee in a pub toilet?

Is that "virtue signalling"?

snor

The main problem here is years of underfunding for our acute hospitals and staff. Every winter has seen bed shortages in all hospitals and ICU settings. Now throw in Covid and RSV (for children) and you’re in more trouble.

if there are increased restrictions, it will be because of the massive hospital pressure (due to underfunding) and lack of staff (due to Covid/cc/kid off school etc). God forbid we have increased ‘flu cases this year. There will quite literally be no beds or Trollys or chairs to put these sick people.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083415#Comment_118083415

Why would we not want to eliminate it?

What's the benefit to society of maintaining the current levels of Covid in the community?

What's the benefit of eternal uncertainty and precarity?

We adopt a zero tolerance approach to other viruses, like, oh, measles, which has an R rate of up to 18. An elimination approach.

Presumably if you oppose an elimination approach to Covid, you oppose an elimination approach to measles too?

Smallpox? Presumably it was a mistaken idea to eliminate and indeed eradicate that?

Ebola? Should we try a "living with Ebola" approach the next time Ebola rears its ugly head?

Risteard81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083863#Comment_118083863

No. I quite clearly stated that they refused to engage with the judge for a challenge they brought. No sensible challenge has been heard by the courts who blame a backlog despite the urgency of the case.

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083951#Comment_118083951

I suspect that we can't implement an elimination approach with Covid unless we can develop a vaccine that stops transmission. I don't know if the measles vaccine stops transmission but I always assumed it did.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083962#Comment_118083962

Why haven't you or anyone else brought a challenge then? If you're so certain of them being unlawful, there is no risk for you at all.

Truth is, they were tested in court and no issues were found. Why can't you accept that instead of spreading misinformation?

Wanderer2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083071#Comment_118083071

Well yes, legally most pubs and restaurants etc will have to adhere to the law and stay shut. However, the fear factor and blind adherence to whatever Tony Holohan asks is much lower this year and if they lock us down again, the amount of underground pubs and shebeens and people simply not sticking within 5km or 10km of their county would be huge. The prolonged lockdown earlier this year really ebbed away at the will of most people in this country.

Given that standpoint, plus the amount of house parties etc going on as the weather gets worse, really, the benefits of a lockdown are hard to see.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084530#Comment_118084530

I’m not sure whether you listened to Leo during the summer but they asked him if vaccine passes were lawful and he more or less answered that they would be when they made them law.

So yeah, I guess things are lawful when the government can make up laws as they go and get all sorts of powers pushed through.

TomSweeney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082350#Comment_118082350

IS this a pisstake?

What are you advocating for ? zero covid ? you know this is impossible, the virus is endemic, society needs to learn to live with it ... we have 90+% of the adult population vaccinated, if the health service still struggles that shows how inadequate the health service is , and people shouldn't be shamed over it.

For you when do you think it will be OK to open up fully ??? remember cases are never going to be at zero.

I don't want there to be another lockdown, but I am heartily sick of this expression "take personal responsiblity" being bantered around.

I take personal responsibility. I wear masks everywhere, I sanitise my hands, I keep my distance yet everywhere I go, I encounter people not keeping their distance, not wearing masks, basically behaving like this thing is over, and its not. Not if you're high risk, its not. The last two weeks its been more noticeable.

Yesterday, I went to get my hair cut. I walked into the salon at my appointment time and immediately noted none of the staff were wearing masks. None of the other customers were wearing masks. There was less than a meter between stations. The hand sanitiser at the door was gone. I turned around and walked out. Because I am still high risk, still a diabetic, still have respiratory conditions.

Let me emphasise, I don't want the salon closed. I don't want any business closed again. But I do want to be able to go out and about or get my hair cut and feel safe and it didn't feel safe.

I haven't gone back into the office myself yet, but when I hear work colleagues talking about all the pubs and houses they're visiting on the weekends, and laughing about how their covid certs are not being checked when they're out and about, and how they had a great night getting blind drunk and not remembering what they did, it makes me very nervous about sharing and office space with them for 8 hours. With no masks.

So thats my perspective. To some of you this may be all over, or nothing to worry about because you're younger and healthy, but to those of us who've been told by our doctors that if we contracted covid it would most likely not be a good outcome for us, nothing has really changed except the increasing numbers in cases means we have to extra vigilant, while all around us, others are acting like the pandemic is over and openly admit they no longer care about community transmission so long as they can do what they want to do.

To repeat, I am not looking for another lockdown. I didn't find it fun either. But I would like if others who have stopped bothering to put an effort in, would rethink their behaviour and remind themselves how it could impact on others more vulnerable than them. Maybe if that happened, and we could stem these rising case numbers and hospitalisations, we wouldn't even have to consider another lockdown being a possibility.

People really need to stop expecting society to bend over backwards for them so they can feel “safe”.

Im high risk and take immunosuppressants. But I’ll look after myself which is my responsibility.

@[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084835#Comment_118084835

@[Deleted User] I don't believe for one second you're high risk. You've been anti-lockdown and anti-restrictions from day one. Pull the other one.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084867#Comment_118084867

I don’t care what you believe.

There is nothing more selfish than wanting people to restrict their lives so you can feel safer.

I don’t want lockdown but I don’t want people behaving normal is what you are saying…

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083939#Comment_118083939

Underfunding??? Haven't we been throwing increasingly greater amounts of money at 'health' for many years. No matter how much is allocated it just seems to be absorbed into a big sponge and more demanded.

The whole system is a basket case and needs root & branch overhaul from the most basic community care right up to specialist disciplines.

Pain required for a few years in order to get a system fit for purpose in the future.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084835#Comment_118084835

Who's responsibility is it to look after you if you get ill?

No man is an island, you'll depend on society to ensure that there is healthcare available for you if you need it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084896#Comment_118084896

Healthcare is always available for those that need it. You might need to sit on a trolley for awhile but you can blame the Holohans and Reid’s of this country for that.

Deeper Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083951#Comment_118083951

Elimination is impossible at this point.

The rest of your post is rambling irrelevant nonsense which I won't be replying to.

Russman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084885#Comment_118084885

That cuts both ways though, you could argue that equally there's nothing more selfish than wanting a society to ignore a pandemic so you can have a social life.

FWIW I don't think we're anywhere remotely near having another lockdown, nor will we ever be again.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084885#Comment_118084885

If you see wearing a mask and social distancing as "restricting people's lives" then so be it.

Personally, I think there is nothing more selfish than putting other peoples' health at risk because you can't be bothered to make the effort to wear a mask or keep your distance.

SnuggyBear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084945#Comment_118084945

I suppose it depends on your definition of what lockdown is. If the government closes my place of work I consider myself locked down and I'm pretty sure that will happen over the next few months.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084981#Comment_118084981

You also found time to give out about your colleagues for going out on a night out or visiting other houses. Even though you are NOT in the office.

Its a bizarre need to control other people.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084619#Comment_118084619

Off you go to the high court so.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118085004#Comment_118085004

I never said they shouldn't go out.

The "personal responsibility" you keep harking on about also involves assessing risk, and to that end, I said it would make me nervous having to share an office space with them, with no masks, when I knew they had been engaging in high risk behaviour. So I haven't returned to the office (on doctors advice).

Any genuinely high risk person would be concerned about this, they'd be foolish not to.