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Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2024/25
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Interesting comments here on Postecoglou. I live in Australia and follow football here very closely (working in the media) so have been watching his teams since 2009. Is the scepticism simply based on a lack of European football experience and not having heard of him until about two weeks ago?
His Brisbane Roar side was brilliant, they went 36 games unbeaten (an Australian record) and won back-to-back Championships playing great football. He was then given the task of rebuilding Melbourne Victory, the country's biggest club, and had no qualms about getting rid of the likes of Harry Kewell when they were past it. They fell just short of silverware before he went to the Socceroos.
The work he did with the national team can't be understated. I was at the semi final and the final of the Asian Cup in 2015 when Australia beat a very good South Korea side to win the tournament for the first time. There's some quality teams in Asia (South Korea, Japan, UAE, Iran were all technically better than Australia) but Ange came out on top.
He doesn't suffer fools lightly and sticks to his principles - he got Australia to the World Cup (for a second time) in 2018 and then resigned because he didn't agree with how the suits were running things. He will also take no BS from the media, his press conferences can be well worth a watch.
In Japan, he guided Yokohama F. Marinos to their first title in 15 years and was wanted by the Greek national team, amongst others.
Long story short, he's great at what he does with extensive experience in Asia. Yes, that's a football backwater to lots of people in the UK and Ireland but it's very naive to write him off because of that. I did laugh at the suggestion that because he's on the other side of the world he wouldn't know who to buy :pac:
Will he succeed? The issue with Ange is that he starts slow and it can take a season for his philosophy and style to be embedded fully. That's the stumbling block for me - Celtic fans rightly want to get back on top ASAP so the patience may not be there. But he is a very self aware man with confidence in his ability and he wouldn't have taken on such a high profile job if he didn't think he could do it.
I really hope it works out because I've seen enough of him to know he's a very good coach who has earned a big job. If I supported Celtic I'd be more excited about this than Eddie Howe or any of the other average ex-Premier League names who were linked.
P.S. Feel free to quote all of this if it goes tits up by November
Firstly I will say I was not at all excited about Eddie Howe. He has never managed a club of any size never mind one as big as Celtic and all the pressures etc that go along with that so I am not at all disappointed that he is not going to be our manager. Even more so since clearly he was never all that committed in the first place.
My problem with Postecoglou is actually not really with him its with the incompetence of our board who clearly were willing to hang on for Howe despite the fact he obviously was never that committed to us. My problem with this appointment is that it is last minute and Postecoglou is going to inherit such a colossal mess that it will be an incredible achievement if he does not fail to win the title next year. He is going to have to build almost an entirely new team from scratch after having sold the majority of the current team. We already have moved on 4 players in the form of Brown, Klimala, Harper and Hendry for a combined 6.5m roughly. Then on top of that who is his backroom staff going to be? What is the status of Kennedy and Starchan? What is the situation with the structural overhaul? Will there be a DOF and if so who? Will that person if there is one work well with Postecoglou.
So again my problem is not with the who in Postecoglou but with the how in terms of the boards utter mismanagement and incompetent in this whole process. I hope I am wrong and Postecoglou ends up being a great success but in fairness to him that does not look very likely due to so many circumstances beyond his control.
I will say this considering what an utter joke we are structure wise right now Postecoglou is certainly not scared of a challenge.0 -
Interesting comments here on Postecoglou. I live in Australia and follow football here very closely (working in the media) so have been watching his teams since 2009. Is the scepticism simply based on a lack of European football experience and not having heard of him until about two weeks ago?
His Brisbane Roar side was brilliant, they went 36 games unbeaten (an Australian record) and won back-to-back Championships playing great football. He was then given the task of rebuilding Melbourne Victory, the country's biggest club, and had no qualms about getting rid of the likes of Harry Kewell when they were past it. They fell just short of silverware before he went to the Socceroos.
The work he did with the national team can't be understated. I was at the semi final and the final of the Asian Cup in 2015 when Australia beat a very good South Korea side to win the tournament for the first time. There's some quality teams in Asia (South Korea, Japan, UAE, Iran were all technically better than Australia) but Ange came out on top.
He doesn't suffer fools lightly and sticks to his principles - he got Australia to the World Cup (for a second time) in 2018 and then resigned because he didn't agree with how the suits were running things. He will also take no BS from the media, his press conferences can be well worth a watch.
In Japan, he guided Yokohama F. Marinos to their first title in 15 years and was wanted by the Greek national team, amongst others.
Long story short, he's great at what he does with extensive experience in Asia. Yes, that's a football backwater to lots of people in the UK and Ireland but it's very naive to write him off because of that. I did laugh at the suggestion that because he's on the other side of the world he wouldn't know who to buy :pac:
Will he succeed? The issue with Ange is that he starts slow and it can take a season for his philosophy and style to be embedded fully. That's the stumbling block for me - Celtic fans rightly want to get back on top ASAP so the patience may not be there. But he is a very self aware man with confidence in his ability and he wouldn't have taken on such a high profile job if he didn't think he could do it.
I really hope it works out because I've seen enough of him to know he's a very good coach who has earned a big job. If I supported Celtic I'd be more excited about this than Eddie Howe or any of the other average ex-Premier League names who were linked.
P.S. Feel free to quote all of this if it goes tits up by November
I think the scepticism mine anyway is based on the size of the task he has been given and the barriers put in place by the board for him to achieve the goals.
I don't think its naive to think he might struggle to identify targets to rebuild the squad which is going to be a massive task with potentially 6 or 7 first team players required along with some other strengthening of the squad. Ange's task will be made even more difficult with us not having a Head of Recruitment for the last few months and the DoF we were expecting to be in place now not looking like it will happen. A manager like Howe with detailed knowledge of available players in the UK and the kind of money required to sign them would be a benefit at this time. Also the fact that it looked like Howe was going to take a lot of Bournemouth's staff with him would've helped, they would have done their homework for next season already and in the championship would've been looking at similar levels of players to us.
I've no doubt he's a good manager and could do a good job but he's being setup for failure with the scale of rebuild required and the lack of resources at the club to achieve this. It's all about timing really, Celtic went for a left-field appointment with Ronny Delia after Lennon left the first time and the timing of that worked as Rangers were working their way up through the lower divisions so we had some breathing room to try something a little different. Now though we are playing catch-up and there is a massive prize on the line with next years league winners automatically qualifying for the CL groups and the money that brings.
Another issue is the backroom staff, if he keeps Kennedy & Strachan onboard which he probably has to with how late this is happening it will be seen as a massive negative for a lot of fans as they were part of the problem last year and before. I think he could generate a good bit of support from the fans if his first move as manager is to replace them.0 -
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Draw for the next round has given us PSV or Galatasaray so won't be getting past that. Still a massive rebuild to be done and we need to add a serious amount of experience & quality to the squad. Below is our squad for the CL game and it doesn't make good reading.
I hope the board are doing everything they can to get the quality in that Ange needs
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