Lockdown for Kildare (Aug 8th-31st)

thenightman

tom1ie wrote: »

Was he wearing a mask?

Its Garda policy from their CMO to only wear masks in confined spaces like when boarding public transport or entering member of public homes. Not advised to wear them on patrol in open air or at checkpoints.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1139073/

Brother is a guard. He wears his when they have a prisoner in the car, on public counter,. In custody area in station, when they have to go hands on with a customer, or in enclosed spaces.

Be outraged by something else.

thenightman

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

there are a lot of people 'seeking' work that could do this job.

Like the mythical thousands of leaving cert students who were going to pick fruit yeah? How did that shake out in reality?

tom1ie

GT89 wrote: »

Because it is a race to the bottom. If wages were higher and people had a better standard of living they wouldn't have to be buying €6 chickens in Lidl and could afford to buy better quality products made in a more sustainable manner with people in factory given better working conditions and wages.

Irish people would work in meat factories if the wages and conditions were better.

Ah jaysus don’t be so naive!!

If produce costs more to produce that cost is passed onto consumers.
Therefore if you hire an Irish worker who demands min wage the cost per chicken wing reflects that.
If you hire a migrant worker who demands min wage minus accommodation the cost per chicken wing reflects that.
The ordinary person going shopping buys the cheapest chicken wing regardless of how it arrived on Lidl’s shelves sorry to disappoint you, that’s just modern economics.

y0ssar1an22

gabeeg wrote: »

No there isn't

There's hardly anyone in the country, employed or otherwise, that could do that job

how little do you actually think of people?

most people can do most jobs with a little training.

mandrake04

pennydreadful wrote: »

I agree. I think they say two weeks because if they were honest and actually said how long it will last for there would be murder. They always seem to go in with two weeks and revise afterwards. Surely the whole point of this lockdown is that they know that community transmission in the areas is about to become a problem since it has spread so fast in factories and DP and the wider spread will actually start from this point. I'd say we're looking at 4 week minimum.

I agree with the minimum 4 weeks but if the neighboring counties lag by a few weeks and subsequently go into their own restrictions then LOK will still be kept under current restrictions

y0ssar1an22

thenightman wrote: »

Like the mythical thousands of leaving cert students who were going to pick fruit yeah? How did that shake out in reality?

well the 1st question is, why didn't they?

i used to do it in primary school.

tom1ie

thenightman wrote: »

Its Garda policy from their CMO to only wear masks in confined spaces like when boarding public transport or entering member of public homes. Not advised to wear them on patrol in open air or at checkpoints.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1139073/

Brother is a guard. He wears his when they have a prisoner in the car, on public counter,. In custody area in station, when they have to go hands on with a customer, or in enclosed spaces.

Be outraged by something else.

Relax.
No outrage here.
It makes sense to me for a fella sticking his head and breathing into my property to wear a mask for his and my protection.
You might not have been keeping up with things though so I’ll give you that.

StupidLikeAFox

Restaurants, hotels and many other businesses in Meath (a short trip from the meat plants) are unaffected and are currently business as usual. Yet similar restaurants, hotels etc in Athy/Castledermot /South Kildare/Laois/Offaly have to close their doors, furlough staff, reduce stock, turn away customers etc etc. Staycations cancelled, sport cancelled, communions/weddings and other events cancelled even though there is still very little evidence of transmission in the community.

Some of the plants involved are already planning to reopen on Monday. So if i follow the guidelines for several months, restrict movement & barely socialise and all this can be nullified by a couple of large businesses in a localised area (many, many miles away from me) not giving a hoot - "all in this together" indeed

gabeeg

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

well the 1st question is, why didn't they?

i used to do it in primary school.

Were you sent to pick fruit while the rest of the class were learning?

That's tough. I mean it makes sense, but tough nonetheless

JPCN1

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

how little do you actually think of people?

most people can do most jobs with a little training.

And motivation....

pennydreadful

mandrake04 wrote: »

I agree with the minimum 4 weeks but if the neighboring counties lag by a few weeks and subsequently go into their own restrictions then LOK will still be kept under current restrictions

Good point, likely that increased community transmission could see a rise in cases in neighbouring counties over the next fortnight and LOK will have to stay under restrictions as it is brought under control.

PowerToWait

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

It can vary depending on what job you have, but there are no easy jobs. I did a variety but the hardest was probably on the beef line cutting off cows tails. And I mean the tail at the root, so your standing on a metal platform 6ft in the air, no safety connection, this huge carcass come to you and you have to try to cut into the knuckle at the root of the fatty tail. Then when you manage to get it and cut across and remove the tail, ou have to cut around the fatty arsehole part, so that next job in line where the stomach and insides are pulled out by a lad on ground level is done. And then the cutting off of the head, which is very heavy, is done around the same area. 3 savage difficult jobs in close proximity. To be honest every job on the beef line is difficult, but some more than others. The lamb line is easier, but volume of kill and speed of the the line is 10 times the beef. I never had the privilege of working in a chicken factory so dunno what that is like!!

Good post with genuine knowledge and experience of the floor.

irishproduce

So the meat factories will have banked the profits arising from the cheap labour that permits them to make those profits.
But as a direct result, the costs associated with those earnings are now transferred on to the people in the counties to be closed up?
Wow. If I had a staycation booked, I would be very annoyed that the factories pocket their profits off the back of my loss.

pgj2015

as if someone from the 3 counties wont travel out of them counties for a holiday they have booked next week.

if I had the money I would have bought that horse island, moved there for the next year and maybe then come back to the mainland if things had improved, its depressing living in Ireland at the moment.

copeyhagen

not being a dick, but is there any legal way they could stop them travelling outside their County?!

its not a law?!

mandrake04

pennydreadful wrote: »

Good point, likely that increased community transmission could see a rise in cases in neighbouring counties over the next fortnight and LOK will have to stay under restrictions as it is brought under control.

Also you have to factor in there are 100,000 arrivals per week at Dublin Airport 15K are from green list countries, 28K are from the UK and the other 43K are from non-green list countries. There will be always fresh outbreaks from now on in.

Spains cases has more or less doubled in the last week, tripled in the last 2-3 weeks and defnitely an up tick in France.

pgj2015

copeyhagen wrote: »

not being a dick, but is there any legal way they could stop them travelling outside their County?!

its not a law?!

I think its all in the legislation they passed a few months ago.

pennydreadful

pgj2015 wrote: »

as if someone from the 3 counties wont travel out of them counties for a holiday they have booked next week.

if I had the money I would have bought that horse island, moved there for the next year and maybe then come back to the mainland if things had improved, its depressing living in Ireland at the moment.

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

pgj2015

pennydreadful wrote: »

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

very hard to blame her in fairness. people are sick of the lockdowns and don't agree with this one. we get punished but let the planes full of americans keep coming, joke.

YellowBucket

They really need to carry out proper inspections and also have and enforce proper labour laws.

What the hell are we doing not ensuring sick pay in the middle of a pandemic. The social and economic costs of disruption by this area huge and this was probably entirely preventable or at least should have been nipped in the bud weeks ago if there has been proper management by the health authorities.

For a start, failure to notify a case or compelling someone to work while they have symptoms and haven’t been tested should be a criminal offence from now on.

We need to be coming down very heavy on this stuff with big penalties for non compliance.

mandrake04

irishproduce wrote: »

So the meat factories will have banked the profits arising from the cheap labour that permits them to make those profits.
But as a direct result, the costs associated with those earnings are now transferred on to the people in the counties to be closed up?
Wow. If I had a staycation booked, I would be very annoyed that the factories pocket their profits off the back of my loss.

Its not just the fault of the factory owners, do you think they want to be shut down?


Its the nature of low paid work, those people doing it probably don't have much sick leave and they are probably mostly immigrants that like to save their holidays leave for visiting family later.

If they are sick they just continue to work otherwise they lose out on money, its not really their country so less inclined to worry about the greater ramifications ...easier to just carry on if they can and worry about it later.

No doubt since the factory has now been forced to shutdown they will still be paid to do what they should have done.

Coeus

pgj2015 wrote: »

very hard to blame her in fairness. people are sick of the lockdowns and don't agree with this one. we get punished but let the planes full of americans keep coming, joke.

This! We are absolutely going on our staycation the week after next. If tourists from abroad can come into the country unvetted there is no way we're losing a penny of our hard earned money by not going!

Wolf359f

Coeus wrote: »

This! We are absolutely going on our staycation the week after next. If tourists from abroad can come into the country unvetted there is no way we're losing a penny of our hard earned money by not going!

Let's hope they issue passenger locator forms at the border.
I don't see any issue with people travelling from LOK elsewhere in Ireland, as long as they restrict their movements for 14 days like all international travelers here.
But once the laws are in place, there's very little the government can do with international travelers, but for Irish people, within Ireland, they could be penalized, like yourself, while international travelers aren't, that's not right at all.
At the very least they should be offering refunds on any staycations within Ireland, that's just not fair at all. Unfair on yourself and the hotel you booked.

GT89

copeyhagen wrote: »

not being a dick, but is there any legal way they could stop them travelling outside their County?!

its not a law?!

By car and there'll may be roadblocks but by bus or train and you'll be less likely to experience checks

road_high

pennydreadful wrote: »

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

Hope she has a great holiday and enjoys every minute.

facehugger99

pennydreadful wrote: »

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

You need to finger-wag harder at her.

thelad95

mandrake04 wrote: »

Also you have to factor in there are 100,000 arrivals per week at Dublin Airport 15K are from green list countries, 28K are from the UK and the other 43K are from non-green list countries. There will be always fresh outbreaks from now on in.

Spains cases has more or less doubled in the last week, tripled in the last 2-3 weeks and defnitely an up tick in France.

This is why our darling politicians need to get their heads around the fact that many European countries have been testing all or a sample of incoming passengers since April in some cases. We have unutilised testing capacity every day that should be re-directed to the airport.

Imagine testing people who have just done the riskiest imaginable thing in a pandemic by sitting in a pressurized metal container for hours on end with no social distancing and fellow passengers who may or may not wear a mask? What a mad idea!

VinLieger

copeyhagen wrote: »

not being a dick, but is there any legal way they could stop them travelling outside their County?!

its not a law?!

Probably similar stuff to when all the Dubs tried to head to wicklow and Wexford at Easter, get told to turn your car around.


Ill be traveling through all 3 counties today so gonna be very curious to see if theres any visible gardai presence and what they are actually doing.

average_runner

pennydreadful wrote: »

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

Wexford is next on the list for lockdown. Down there now and people very annoyed with people outside the county

average_runner

pgj2015 wrote: »

very hard to blame her in fairness. people are sick of the lockdowns and don't agree with this one. we get punished but let the planes full of americans keep coming, joke.

Can you back up the statement of planes full?

Americans love temple bar but yet it's close.
Heard no American accents in the phoenix park over the last month.