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Lockdown for Kildare (Aug 8th-31st)

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    #542
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Graham wrote: »
    Or actually correct:

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-from-a-country-that-is-not-on-the-covid-19-travel-advice-list/

    Perhaps you should actually read the link you posted.


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    #543
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    What about people travelling outside the counties to go on holiday?


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    #544
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    cherryghost wrote: »
    What about people travelling outside the counties to go on holiday?
    Shot on sight.


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    #545
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Graham wrote: »
    Or actually correct:

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-from-a-country-that-is-not-on-the-covid-19-travel-advice-list/

    Regardless

    It doesn't mean we should cancel all other measures.

    Lol - good ninja edit.

    This is presumably code for 'I was wrong but don't want to admit it'. :D


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    #546
    Tork
    Registered Users Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭Tork


    cherryghost wrote: »
    What about people travelling outside the counties to go on holiday?
    You can still drive through the counties on the way to somewhere else. They just don't want you to stop in them.


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    #547
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Obrien fine foods up until 2 days ago where advertising jobs with local GAA clubs in Kildare knowing full well about the high rate of covid ingections in their factory.

    Thst is scummy and they should be made to answer why. Its because profits are more important that peoples health.

    If I was in LOK I'd be fuming at these greedy saps. If it wasn't LOK it would be somewhere else. If it wasn't a meat factory it would be a school. Conservative estimate says 95% haven't had it yet. Letting run rampant would cause way too much damage and we could get it again in a season or two. Not to mention the damage this thing does to internal organs is not understood.

    #zerocovid is only sensible strategy at this point.
    Whack a mole will mean school closers as soon as they open.

    Matt Carthy: "Siptu have indicated that if there is a second wave then it'll emerge from a meat plant"

    Whatever your political leanings they should be put to one side during this crisis. Fair play to him for raising it.
    They wouldn't even respond to Union concerns.

    How is this not criminal when 3 counties are now in lockdown again. Talk about preventable and predictable.

    https://twitter.com/mattcarthy/status/1291693959228661760?s=20


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    #548
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Graham wrote: »
    Or actually correct:

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-from-a-country-that-is-not-on-the-covid-19-travel-advice-list/

    Regardless

    It doesn't mean we should cancel all other measures.

    So there are very clear guidelines for people coming into the country and they are required to register their details.

    That seems more stringent than what’s being imposed in LKO. Very different than the “I’m locked down and Americans with coronavirus are swanning around the place.”

    Personally, I think the government should be more stringent on people coming in but can we at least keep the argument some way factual rather than full of rhetoric that borders on racist.


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    #549
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Lol - good ninja edit.

    This is presumably code for 'I was wrong but don't want to admit it'. :D

    If adding a line is a ninja edit, accepted.


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    #550
    Exodus 1811
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Exodus 1811


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    How can you be sure the spread is in the factory itself? some of these workers live together, socalise together etc.

    Is it the factories responsibility to ensure workers are taking precautions at home?

    True, but from the sounds of things there are shared accommodations linked with the employment. Hopefully some transparency here in the few days as in speculating from the multiple posts here.

    I would hazard a guess that it is possible that a proportion of the spread occurred in the workplace. If it is possible to spread the virus in the workplace, the workplace is not compliant. Similarly, if an office can not provide adequate social distancing and proper cleaning protocols it is not compliant.

    The HSA have failed with unannounced visits. H and S inspections don’t work when announced.


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    #551
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Graham wrote: »
    They can. They also have to self-isolate for 14 days.

    Have to? Enforced? Or do we just trust them?

    No doubt I’ll be stopped by the guards and grilled about where I’m going if I have to leave the county, are these people from America or England or wherever going to be subjected to the same?

    I just think it would be far easier for people to comply with this if we weren’t allowing people fly in from anywhere.

    Why is there a green list of places we can go but people can fly in from anywhere?


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    #552
    [Deleted User]
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    Yet, racing can go ahead! “Racing will go ahead at the Curragh on Sunday despite a partial lockdown in County Kildare starting at midnight on Friday which will see movements restricted once again.“ https://www.racingpost.com/news/curragh-set-to-get-green-light-for-sunday-card-despite-lockdown-in-kildare/445735


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    #553
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    Personally, I think the government should be more stringent on people coming in but can we at least keep the argument some way factual rather than full of rhetoric that borders on racist.

    I'd agree, we need to be much more stringent.

    Ticket less than 14 days from a non green list country, back on the plane you go.

    Different subject though.


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    #554
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    I’m standing on the banks of the river nore looking across at the free county of Kilkenny. Where people can come and go as they please. They all look so happy.


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    #555
    pgj2015
    Registered Users Posts: 9,211 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    seeing as most people dont even get symptoms, what are the chances that a huge percentage of the Irish population has already got the disease and are immune? then this stupid lockdown is pointless.


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    #556
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yet, racing can go ahead! “Racing will go ahead at the Curragh on Sunday despite a partial lockdown in County Kildare starting at midnight on Friday which will see movements restricted once again.“ https://www.racingpost.com/news/curragh-set-to-get-green-light-for-sunday-card-despite-lockdown-in-kildare/445735

    Another crowd like the meat factories. Big money made off the backs of slave labour. A horrible industry.


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    #557
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    I’m sure they probably can but I’ve seen the phrase “plane loads of tourists flying in spreading the disease” a few times. Any evidence that’s happening?

    I literally posted a pic of two planes from America coming in this morning... the country with the highest amount of cases in the whole world... And no I don’t have evidence that any of them are spreading the virus but I think we can both agree that if we need to stop someone from Maynooth travelling to Lucan we probably need to stop someone from Boston travelling to Blanchardstown..


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    #558
    gabeeg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    seeing as most people dont even get symptoms, what are the chances that a huge percentage of the Irish population has already got the disease and are immune? then this stupid lockdown is pointless.

    What makes you say most people don't get symptoms?


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    #559
    ednwireland
    Registered Users Posts: 14,374 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    anyone know if birr castle is open next week

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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    #560
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Rock77 wrote: »
    I literally posted a pic of two planes from America coming in this morning... the country with the highest amount of cases in the whole world... And no I don’t have evidence that any of them are spreading the virus but I think we can both agree that if we need to stop someone from Maynooth travelling to Lucan we probably need to stop someone from Boston travelling to Blanchardstown..

    You’ve posted two pics of planes coming in. There is no evidence that they are full of tourists and less evidence that they have COVID.

    They are under more restrictions than me (I live in Kildare). They have to register their details and isolate for 14 days. I don’t. Are they being strictly monitored? No...me neither.

    There is an argument for more restrictions on foreigners coming in that I agree with. But polluting the argument with assumptions and rhetoric to suit an agenda is not helpful.


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    #561
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Exodus 1811 wrote: »
    True, but from the sounds of things there are shared accommodations linked with the employment. Hopefully some transparency here in the few days as in speculating from the multiple posts here.

    I would hazard a guess that it is possible that a proportion of the spread occurred in the workplace. If it is possible to spread the virus in the workplace, the workplace is not compliant. Similarly, if an office can not provide adequate social distancing and proper cleaning protocols it is not compliant.

    The HSA have failed with unannounced visits. H and S inspections don’t work when announced.

    Employers can only try to enforce guidelines, the employees need to meet them halfway. Sometimes the employee has to choose between doing the right thing and getting paid.


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    #562
    pgj2015
    Registered Users Posts: 9,211 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    gabeeg wrote: »
    What makes you say most people don't get symptoms?

    https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/01/asymptomatic-patients

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200630103557.htm


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    #563
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    You’ve posted two pics of planes coming in. There is no evidence that they are full of tourists and less evidence that they have COVID.

    They are under more restrictions than me (I live in Kildare). They have to register their details and isolate for 14 days. I don’t. Are they being strictly monitored? No...me neither.

    There is an argument for more restrictions on foreigners coming in that I agree with. But polluting the argument with assumptions and rhetoric to suit an agenda is not helpful.

    Do they have to isolate for 14 days or are they advised to?

    Do we have to stay in Kildare or are we advised to?

    The big difference is people that fly in can go straight to any part of Ireland and go to a cinema or a restaurant, people in Kildare can’t. If they are stopped at a checkpoint they will be ordered back.


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    #564
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Do they have to isolate for 14 days or are they advised to?

    Do we have to stay in Kildare or are we advised to?

    The big difference is people that fly in can go straight to any part of Ireland and go to a cinema or a restaurant, people in Kildare can’t. If they are stopped at a checkpoint they will be ordered back.

    If a tourist comes in and gets stopped at a checkpoint, what do you reckon would happen?

    Either way, yours is a fair argument but people throwing “there are plane loads of American tourists coming in spreading the virus” is not factual or helpful.


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    #565
    gabeeg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/01/asymptomatic-patients

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200630103557.htm

    Ah, so when you said most people, you meant a large minority.

    Here's a fairly substantial piece of research that suggests it's 15.6%

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.26326

    I don't know what the true number is or if it's stable from country to country, region to region, but it's safe to say that most people get quite sick.


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    #566
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Is anyone listening to the eejit on the radio demanding that the government travel to whatever ****hole he lives in to meet him and explain their approach to covid etc?


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    #567
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    seeing as most people dont even get symptoms, what are the chances that a huge percentage of the Irish population has already got the disease and are immune? then this stupid lockdown is pointless.
    Jesus Christ. More of this nonsense.:rolleyes: Most people don`t get symptoms? FFS.:(


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    #568
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Rock77 wrote: »
    The big difference is people that fly in can go straight to any part of Ireland and go to a cinema or a restaurant, people in Kildare can’t. If they are stopped at a checkpoint they will be ordered back.

    I'd imagine if overseas visitors start to become a source of infections more restrictions will be put in place.


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    #569
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    I need a new oven. Im in Maynooth. Can i go and get one in liffey valley?


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    #570
    hurler32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭hurler32


    These meat factories and their greedy owners sharp practices are the problem , only a matter of time before there’s other clusters in meat factories in other counties .


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    #571
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    GAA, soccer, athletics cancelled but the fkn racing goes ahead!

    200 limit to attendances at the above, I would calculate that between those who work in Curragh and stables, you are talking about around 500. And most will be travelling from outside of Kildare.

    As for foreigners, I don't see any of the hate American tourists crowd saying anything about the fact that mostly illegal foreigners in DP are the root cause of this. And that Flanagan eijit gave them right to work!


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