Lockdown for Kildare (Aug 8th-31st)

Graham

Darc19 wrote: »

Funny thing is that he has nothing to do with any of the facilities that have caused this lock down.

The rules clearly state anything and everything has to be the fault of at least one of; Larry Goodman, Dennis O'Brien, Bill Gates or George Soros

:pac:

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John O.Groats wrote: »

Is that a photo of a 1940`s concentration camp? if it is it`s absolutely disgraceful that you should even try to make a comparison between that and the situation in the midland counties.

Ah don't be so sensitive, if you don't find it funny just refrain from laughing.

Graham

Zebra3 wrote: »

County lines allow no buffer for people in unaffected areas like Maynooth, Celbridge and Leixlip from Timahoe.

Why are people in those towns with no problems being left exposed to people from where the outbreak is?

They're not. There are restrictions (hence the thread).

Sesshoumaru

John O.Groats wrote: »

Is that a photo of a 1940`s concentration camp? if it is it`s absolutely disgraceful that you should even try to make a comparison between that and the situation in the midland counties. You should hang your head in shame.

I'm pretty sure those are actors.

MadYaker

What’ll they do if this lockdown doesn’t work?

DeanAustin

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Whose accounts? Where?

At the least all these clusters in meat factories since the start of the pandemic right up to yesterday's indicate that whatever measures have been taken were inadequate.

We also have these accounts, granted almost three months old by now, that there were no measures and staff had to pay for their own PPE: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/14/everyones-on-top-of-you-sneezing-and-coughing-life-inside-irelands-meat-plants-covid-19

It’s been recommended by the government (https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/employersemployeesguidance/Interim%20Guidance%20COVID-19%20Meat%20Factories.pdf) that, for example, screens be erected between employees and people on here have confirmed that happened in some or all of the plants.

It seems that the measures weren’t effective and I’m not arguing that point. It’s the cartoonish supervillain portrayal of the owners that I think is unhelpful.

Darc19

Darc19 wrote: »

Goodman is a big operation. His company makes about 2%-3% net profit.

...and yet he has a net worth of about 2.5 billion. You should learn that many companies decide via various legal means how much profit they declare and their corporation tax payments are based on their declared profit.

Bojill

hmmm wrote: »

What are they looking for - parishes?

Counties make sense. Everyone knows what a county is and where the border is.

This is about risk reduction, not perfectly targeting exactly where the virus is.

Enfield in Meath is 12km from one of these clusters.No lockdown
Maynooth is 20km away. In lockdown.
I'd say by most peoples probabilities, enfield for example is in bigger danger.

Agent Smith

John O.Groats wrote: »

Is that a photo of a 1940`s concentration camp? if it is it`s absolutely disgraceful that you should even try to make a comparison between that and the situation in the midland counties. You should hang your head in shame.

It's been removed. it was from a film.

DeanAustin

Darc19 wrote: »

Funny thing is that he has nothing to do with any of the facilities that have caused this lock down.

But some people get their views from rag tabloids and mimic fools such as Paul Murphy and his type and anyone earning decent money is not tolerated despite Murphy coming from a well off background and fee paying education.

Goodman is a big operation. His company makes about 2%-3% net profit.

Compare that to the profits of Apple, or penny's, or tk maxx and its miniscule, but because his operation is huge, it's a large amount in physical cash.

Still miniscule in comparison to some others.

Is that true that Goodman hasn’t been linked? Jesus wept. Seen his name peddled around here as if he was shipping COVID ridden Eastern Europeans in from Texas to work for a handful of rice a day, chained to their work station and co-workers under perpetual threat of 20 lashes if they didn’t all while he twiddled his moustache and counted his €100 notes.

The debate on social media is poisonous.

move along. nothing to see here. there is not and has never been an incestuous relationship between the Meat Processors and Government.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

move along. nothing to see here. there is not and has never been an incestuous relationship between the Meat Processors and Government.

Graham wrote: »

The rules clearly state anything and everything has to be the fault of at least one of; Larry Goodman, Dennis O'Brien, Bill Gates or George Soros

And Haughey, apologies I almost forgot

:rolleyes:

Humberto Salazar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you look at the border between Offaly and WestMeath it runs down the middle of the road in places.

It runs through the bar in Horseleap.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

And Haughey, apologies I almost forgot

:rolleyes:

You'd excuse anything it appears.

highdef

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Absolute bollix, 48% of the cases are in Dublin, why aren't they locked down??

As a percentage of population, the amout of cases in Kildare, Laois and Offaly is massive compared to Dublin and its population.

caveat emptor

What role do supermarkets have in setting the price.
I'm just thinking Germany had a similar issue with the processors.
They have same supermarkets. Lidl and Aldi like.

Who bares more responsibility for this drive to the bottom?

I know the dairy farmers are broken by the supermarkets.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd excuse anything it appears.

Excuse what exactly.

Some connection you're come up with between Haughey, Coronavirus and an unrelated meat processor?

Sconsey

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

It runs through the bar in Horseleap.

You know in a perfect world, with time for lots of planning, the authorities could consult geographical information systems, modeling, etc to map out a perfect lockdown zone. But they don't have time for that, they have to react quickly so the solution will not be perfect.

There will always be a few anomalies when reacting on the fly. Better this than complete inaction while a committee is setup to arrange public consultations and various proposals are mulled over for a few months.

Patrick2010

Saw Garda tweeting about their checkpoint in Tullamore, are people not allowed to travel around their county now?

Rock77

DeanAustin wrote: »

Is that true that Goodman hasn’t been linked? Jesus wept. Seen his name peddled around here as if he was shipping COVID ridden Eastern Europeans in from Texas to work for a handful of rice a day, chained to their work station and co-workers under perpetual threat of 20 lashes if they didn’t all while he twiddled his moustache and counted his €100 notes.

The debate on social media is poisonous.

Didn’t take you long to add your own hyperbole. It’s easy to get sucked in isn’t it!

Graham

Graham wrote: »

Excuse what exactly.

Some connection you're come up with between Haughey, Coronavirus and an unrelated meat processor?

Yeah, Larry Goodman's company willingly voluntarily improved conditions and didn't endanger workers.

https://louthnow.ie/2020/03/25/abp-respond-to-80-worker-walkout-over-covid-19-fears/

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/06/26/covid-19-cases-confirmed-at-county-meat-firm/

Graham

Kildare Laois Offally != Louth

facehugger99

MadYaker wrote: »

What’ll they do if this lockdown doesn’t work?

More lockdown.

Gruffalux

caveat emptor wrote: »

Who bares more responsibility for this drive to the bottom?

.

This is hard to bare. Happens far too often and makes me want to bear my soul. Bare with me now, well...unless you bearly care!

In this once off I forgive you caveat emptor, as the bottom at the end of the sentence obviously distracted you.

DeanAustin

Rock77 wrote: »

Didn’t take you long to add your own hyperbole. It’s easy to get sucked in isn’t it!

Bit of a difference between passing nonsense off as fact and exaggerating for effect.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/04/11/news/legal-action-threatened-over-covid-19-meat-factory-concerns-1898241/

Zebra3

Graham wrote: »

They're not. There are restrictions (hence the thread).

There are no restrictions preventing people from infected areas of Kildare travelling to non-infected areas of Kildare.

Well done to all those who are responsible for public health, but refuse to protect the health of the public while proclaiming to do so.

Rock77

DeanAustin wrote: »

Bit of a difference between passing nonsense off as fact and exaggerating for effect.

Agreed, just funny how you complained about the hyperbole quite often before all of a sudden coming out with a splurge of it in one post!

Anyway I see your point..

DeanAustin

Rock77 wrote: »

Agreed, just funny how you complained about the hyperbole quite often before all of a sudden coming out with a splurge of it in one post!

Anyway I see your point..

Haha fair enough.

Muahahaha

dhaughton99 wrote: »

This might sound a bit outlandish but should Brady’s ham be now pulled from shelves or even boycotted?

Bradys Family Ham released a FAQ on Covid. But the answer below is a non-answer only going as far to say that the FSAI say there have been no reported cases of Covid linked to contamination of food

Am I at risk of contracting Covid-19 by handling your product?
All our products are produced to the highest standards following Food Safety Authority of Ireland guidelines. The FSAI reports that no reported cases of Covid-19 have been linked to contamination of food.
Since the first cases of Covid-19 were identified in Ireland last February, we have operated with an abundance of caution and a rigorous and comprehensive health and safety policy has been implemented. Public health advice to all consumers is to maintain good health and safety practices, to regularly wash hands and follow the official guidance.

https://www.bradyfamily.ie/covid-19-faq/

Even if there have been no reported cases I think their products should be taken off the supermarket shelves as a precaution. 80 people in their factory tested positive for the virus and the very products those employees produced are sitting on supermarket shelves nationwide right now. Even if the risk is tiny they still shouldnt be taking it just to keep selling their ham, its not worth it IMO.