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Lockdown for Kildare (Aug 8th-31st)

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    #962
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Though I will agree it's utterly gutless and feeble if they aren't even forcing the plants in question to close.

    Haven't some of the plants closed already?
    Meat plants affected by a Covid-19 outbreak should not open on Monday, according to Health Minister Stephen Donnelly.

    Speaking to RTÉ's Nine O'Clock News, Mr Donnelly said it was his "personal view" that it would be "inappropriate" for these factories to operate "while other people are being asked to restrict their movements".
    reported by RTE yesterday


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    #963
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    glack wrote: »
    Is the point of this lockdown not to ensure that Covid isn’t already spreading through the community in Kildare, Laois and Offaly? I mean we all know that the factories are riddled with it and likely have been for a few weeks now. People working there have been going about their lives as normal - shopping, eating out, meeting friends etc. It will be 2 weeks before they know what damage has been done to those communities. They want people to stay home to stop it spreading any further and so they can actually assess how far it has gone.

    That message definitely has not been communicated effectively. Mental the difference a change in leadership has made.


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    #964
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭Patser


    Couldn't people with holidays planned pay for tests, be cleared and then travel?


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    #965
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Agree, they were in contact with Kildare Gaa about getting them to recruit workers.

    They knew what was coming and wanted to keep the show on the road instead of shutting the place down and analysing why it spread so easy.


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    #966
    cyclops999
    Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭cyclops999


    Meat plants affected by a Covid-19 outbreak should not open on Monday, according to Health Minister Stephen Donnelly.

    Speaking to RTÉ's Nine O'Clock News, Mr Donnelly said it was his "personal view" that it would be "inappropriate" for these factories to operate "while other people are being asked to restrict their movements".

    What a feeble statement to make " his personal view " they are either open or closed you as Minister for Health should be decisive in your statements.


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    #967
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    A huge part of the Covid response so far has been by consent without requiring specific legislation.


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    #968
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Graham wrote: »
    A huge part of the Covid response so far has been by consent without requiring specific legislation.

    Yet as of Monday, you could face a €2500 fine and jail time for popping in and out of an empty petrol station to pay for fuel if you don't wear a mask.


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    #969
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    If anything sums up the subservient nature of people and the total abdication of critical thinking that's become all too prevalent in large swades of the population, it's got to be the multiple posts from a lad wondering how he's going to undertake the odyssey of driving from Dublin to Killarney.


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    #970
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Yet as of Monday, you could face a €2500 fine and jail time for popping in and out of an empty petrol station to pay for fuel if you don't wear a mask.

    Good.

    There are too many people that have demonstrated they won't do it on a voluntary basis.


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    #971
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    Does anyone know if the current restrictions on borders are actually being enforced? Are there any consequences for people if they break them from Monday onwards ?


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    #972
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    If anything sums up the subservient nature of people and the total abdication of critical thinking that's become all too prevalent in large swades of the population, it's got to be the multiple posts from a lad wondering how he's going to undertake the odyssey of driving from Dublin to Killarney.

    I think the general response has been WTF are you asking and why is it remotely important/relevant.

    Take a sandwich and a flask of coffee.


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    #973
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭Patser


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the current restrictions on borders are actually being enforced? Are there any consequences for people if they break them from Monday onwards ?

    Not according to Irish Times, the legislation is wrong for prosecution

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda%C3%AD-cannot-prosecute-people-who-breach-midlands-movement-restrictions-1.4325776?mode=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


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    #974
    cyclops999
    Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭cyclops999


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the current restrictions on borders are actually being enforced? Are there any consequences for people if they break them from Monday onwards ?
    If you cross the border into Offaly you will be sentenced to 6 months living there is it worth the risk.


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    #975
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Patser wrote: »
    Not according to Irish Times, the legislation is wrong for prosecution

    But does "wrong for prosecution" mean "can't be taken in for questioning" or "can't face arrest"?


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    #976
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Graham wrote: »
    Good.

    There are too many people that have demonstrated they won't do it on a voluntary basis.
    Because it's complete nonsense. The fact that you agree with imposing fines and jail time in such an example where there is pretty much zero risk shows the absolute lunacy of some people. Some people would love to turn the country into North Korea or Nazi Germany.


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    #977
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Because it's complete nonsense. The fact that you agree with imposing fines and jail time in such an example where there is pretty much zero risk shows the absolute lunacy of some people. Some people would love to turn the country into North Korea or Nazi Germany.

    QED


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    #978
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    joeysoap wrote: »
    Your obviously not familiar with the border.

    There is no border.

    Just a line on a map.


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    #979
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭Patser


    Graham wrote: »
    But does "wrong for prosecution" mean "can't be taken in for questioning" or "can't face arrest"?

    Would there not need to be an offence in legislation for you to be arrested under? I can't see a Guard saying I arrest you under the general gist of an announcement last Friday, as opposed to I arrest you under section 7 (or whatever) of this act


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    #980
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    New regulations under the Health Act 1947 were signed into force on Saturday in relation to the midlands lockdown, including measures stating people from the three counties “shall not” travel outside their home county, unless they have an urgent or work-related reason



    That should stop the travellers getting out so.

    Travellers do what they want , the laws don’t apply to them


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    #981
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Patser wrote: »
    Would there not need to be an offence in legislation for you to be arrested under?

    There is an offence isn't there? Just no penalty at the moment.


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    #982
    Moreilly
    Registered Users Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Moreilly


    The meat factory only looking for workers a few days ago apparently, probably to fill in the gaps from people out sick.....


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    #983
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Moreilly wrote: »
    The meat factory only looking for workers a few days ago apparently, probably to fill in the gaps from people out sick.....

    It's been said already.

    Aren't they currently closed?


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    #984
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    There is no border.

    Just a line on a map.

    We are the only country in the world that has a border but it must absolutely not be referred to as a border nor look like one unless we have to do something we don't agree with, at which point it becomes an insurmountable Iron clad citadel.

    For political reasons it's a twighlight zone. The only logical way to deal with it is to pretend for a second there is no border between Ireland and UK (pssst there isn't)

    That's why we are not in Schengen area.
    That's why we have common travel area,
    That's why we have the good Friday agreement,

    If we try to do anything different to the UK it falls down like a house of cards.

    So let's get on with. You know you are in serious trouble Arlene and Michele who haven't spoken to each other for 4 years
    are telling MM that there needs to be and Irish British agreement on zerocovid.


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    #985
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    Patser wrote: »
    Not according to Irish Times, the legislation is wrong for prosecution

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda%C3%AD-cannot-prosecute-people-who-breach-midlands-movement-restrictions-1.4325776?mode=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    So people aren’t meant to leave the counties but if they do nothing happens can happen ?


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    #986
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    There is no border.

    Just a line on a map.

    I can assure you that the border is very real. To the North, South and East of Offaly, the ground gives off a form of radon that affects people's abilities to close off things /seize opportunities. Like All Irelands.


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    #987
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Talk around here of a LOKxit.


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    #988
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Meanwhile in meat plants all over the country , minimum wage workers from latvia and direct provision centres are afraid to ring in sick regardless of feeling well or unwell as they keep the slave operations making lots of money for Meat factory oligarchs.

    These meat factories are ran with a reign of fear and intimidation of vulnerable staff with little English and no knowledge of any rights, prison would be better than some of these meat factories.


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    #989
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    So people aren’t meant to leave the counties but if they do nothing happens can happen ?

    I'm surprised nobody has posted about being stopped at any of the checkpoints yet.

    It will be interesting to hear how the Gardai are handling things.


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    #990
    nacho libre
    Registered Users Posts: 16,743 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I suppose we'll see unannounced inspections from now on in meat factories. It seems everything is reactive rather than proactive with this government and the former one. Was their political interference to stop health inspectors showing up at meat factories without prior notice?


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    #991
    harr
    Registered Users Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭harr


    Graham wrote: »
    I'm surprised nobody has posted about being stopped at any of the checkpoints yet.

    It will be interesting to hear how the Gardai are handling things.
    Kildare village almost empty this morning, guards at the roundabouts both yesterday and today turning cars back preventing anyone from outside the county stopping.


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