Lockdown for Kildare (Aug 8th-31st)

nacho libre

DeanAustin wrote: »

Do we know that to be the case?

If so, that's a dereliction of duty. I'm struggling to believe that any business owner could be so negligent.

I'm struggling to believe that you find it hard to believe some businesses cut corners to drive up profits. Greeds tend to make people myopic, so they may ignore that cutting corners could cause them big problems long term. Also if you are being protected by a political system it might embolden an owner to think they are immune from any fallout

Muahahaha

Graham wrote: »

I know that's the version of events doing the rounds at the moment but it just makes no sense to be honest Muahahaha

DeanAustin wrote: »

Do we know that to be the case?

If so, that's a dereliction of duty. I'm struggling to believe that any business owner could be so negligent.

Facebook from August 4th- Brady 'Family' Ham seek 30+ local students to work in their factory as temporary workers. They used Kildare GAA (who they are the shirt sponsor of) to get the Facebook ad out to GAA clubs




https://web.whatsapp.com/4a50ca6b-7617-4e3d-864e-fe9b91f5d294

Now why would they suddenly be recruiting 30+ temporary staff at a time when there was a Covid outbreak in their factory?

Serious questions to be asked here of Brady 'Family' Ham. They knew Covid was in the factory but were still trying to recruit locals in to working there and using Kildare GAA to do so.

DeanAustin

nacho libre wrote: »

I'm struggling to believe that you find it hard to believe some businesses cut corners to drive up profits. Greeds tend to make people myopic, so they may ignore that cutting corners could cause them big problems long term. Also if you are being protected by a politicxl systems it might embolden an owner to think they are immune from any fallout

I absolutely believe that businesses cut corners. That happens where they think they can get away with it. Enron, Wirecard, Anglo are evidence of it.

However, to think that you could just carry on as normal with an outbreak during a global pandemic when the eyes of the national media and the country would be on you, beggars belief. Displaying the alleged degree of negligence would destroy a company. Company owners know that. That's the bit I have trouble with.

pgj2015

why was the meat factory looking for students specifically? so they could pay them a $hit wage like the foreigners?

it is sick when a BILLIONAIRE thinks he is some kind of king but his workers are there to be used, he can live in a mansion and they can live 10 to a room, its a wonder he didn't pay them with soup like in the famine.

DeanAustin

Muahahaha wrote: »

Facebook from August 4th- Brady 'Family' Ham seek 30+ local students to work in their factory as temporary workers. They used Kildare GAA (who they are the shirt sponsor of) to get the Facebook ad out to GAA clubs




https://web.whatsapp.com/4a50ca6b-7617-4e3d-864e-fe9b91f5d294

Now why would they suddenly be recruiting 30+ temporary staff at a time when there was a Covid outbreak in their factory?

Serious questions to be asked here of Brady 'Family' Ham. They knew Covid was in the factory but were still trying to recruit locals in to working there and using Kildare GAA to do so.

You're right - questions need to be answered. But we don't know that the vacancies arose because of a known COVID outbreak. You're drawing a conclusion without offering Brady's the chance to explain themselves.

Graham

Muahahaha wrote: »

Facebook from August 4th- Brady 'Family' Ham seek 30+ local students to work in their factory as temporary workers. They used Kildare GAA (who they are the shirt sponsor of) to get the Facebook ad out to GAA clubs

Yes, I've seen the Facebook post it's been posted multiple times already.

Posted by GFC; It doesn't give any clue to the timelines, who asked for it to be posted, when, what was known at the time.

Lundstram

Brady's indicated new staff would be tested for Covid19 upon induction so to suggest they were putting new employees at risk is a bit dramatic. The company engaged the services of a private company to do this and to coordinate proper Covid19 rules within the company.

The blame here ultimately lies with the government and the HSA. Why didn't they do enough? Why didn't they do it on time? Why did Brady's have to engage the services of a private company to do the HSA's job?

Too many people blaming the wrong people here.

ACitizenErased

Of 68 new cases today:
19 cases are located in Kildare, 17 in Dublin, 15 in Offaly, 12 in Laois and 5 in Donegal

Muahahaha

DeanAustin wrote: »

You're right - questions need to be answered. But we don't know that the vacancies arose because of a known COVID outbreak. You're drawing a conclusion without offering Brady's the chance to explain themselves.

Bradys had the chance to explain themselves and they put up a FAQ on their website which was nothing but non-answers, PR speak and obfuscation. I think if you follow the timeline it is obvious whats happened here- on August the 4th they were trying to recruit 30 student locals using Facebook and Kildare GAA and then on August 7th there is a localised lockdown with the revelation that 80 staff in the Bradys factory had tested positive for the virus, i.e. they could no longer work there and Bradys decided to recruit more staff into that environment.

Thats why they were trying to get locals in, they didnt give a dam if the students got the virus and then spread it to their parents, grandparents and siblings. All they cared for was keeping the production lines running and fcuk the consequences.

The consequences are now loud and clear- 400,000 people across Kildare, Offaly and Laois are now locked down for the second time as a result of what was going on inside these meat factories. Peoples holiday plans thrown into chaos with lost money everywhere, brides weddings cancelled with 12 hours notice.

And it took an english newspaper to uncover the lip service that was being paid to the virus inside these meat plants. Whole scale disregard for social distancing, staff not being provided with PPE, it goes on and on
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/14/everyones-on-top-of-you-sneezing-and-coughing-life-inside-irelands-meat-plants-covid-19

thelad95

Lundstram wrote: »

Brady's indicated new staff would be tested for Covid19 upon induction so to suggest they were putting new employees at risk is a bit dramatic. The company engaged the services of a private company to do this and to coordinate proper Covid19 rules within the company.

The blame here ultimately lies with the government and the HSA. Why didn't they do enough? Why didn't they do it on time? Why did Brady's have to engage the services of a private company to do the HSA's job?

Too many people blaming the wrong people here.

So new staff are tested on day 1 and then work with the multiple infected asymptomatic staff?

springwell7616

LuasSimon wrote: »

The law abiding will adhere to it but plenty of criminals and general scumbags will ignore it making it a waste of time .

Living in Beara and the amount of cars from Dublin, Offaly, Kildare and Laois that are coming down here is frightening. We’ve no cases so far but that won’t last if these people continue to ignore the lockdown of Offaly, Kildare, Laois. They walk and drive amongst us!

Lundstram

thelad95 wrote: »

So new staff are tested on day 1 and then work with the multiple infected asymptomatic staff?

That could be said of any company right now. The difference being Brady's hired a private company to test all staff, extra cleaners and other measures. They paid for this out of their own pocket while other companies relied on the useless, over-paid and under-worked HSA.

Brady's are forever trying to recruit local staff, this is not a new thing with them, they have very strong links with the local GAA scene here in Kildare.

Blame the morons in Leinster House not a company trying it's best to keep going. Very easy for people say close it down.

Heres Johnny

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Of 68 new cases today:
19 cases are located in Kildare, 17 in Dublin, 15 in Offaly, 12 in Laois and 5 in Donegal

Lock down Dublin so. 17 cases in higher population density could do more damage. And I live there, on border with kildare!

Naos

Patser wrote: »

They probably couldn't, as even now the plants are free to open although the Minister for Health expressed a personal view they shouldn't - they have only chosen to close.

So even though the Dept of Health can shut down travel by people in and out of counties, they cannot close factories at the epicentre.

That said the HSE should have known the samples being tested were from a high risk environment and sped up the testing faster than 4 days - and advised those employees quicker to isolate, and informed the HSA there was a cluster point needing checking.

What your implying is that the HSE in theory even now could not stop covid positive workers working in a factory, if all involved chose to

Well in that case, why are SIPTU, the union who represents 6000 meat factory workers, blaming the HSE?

Why didn't they, as the union, step up and tell the workers to down tools?

Damien360

Naos wrote: »

Well in that case, why are SIPTU, the union who represents 6000 meat factory workers, blaming the HSE?

Why didn't they, as the union, step up and tell the workers to down tools?

Are the workers paying union dues to siptu ? Doubt it if they are being paid through a Polish agency. So if they down tools, will siptu pay their pay out of their cash pile from other people’s union dues ?

wrangler

Lundstram wrote: »

That could be said of any company right now. The difference being Brady's hired a private company to test all staff, extra cleaners and other measures. They paid for this out of their own pocket while other companies relied on the useless, over-paid and under-worked HSA.

Brady's are forever trying to recruit local staff, this is not a new thing with them, they have very strong links with the local GAA scene here in Kildare.

Blame the morons in Leinster House not a company trying it's best to keep going. Very easy for people say close it down.

+ 1000.
Not only supporting GAA but donating 6000+ tons of food to charities since the beginning of Covid.

wrangler

Damien360 wrote: »

Are the workers paying union dues to siptu ? Doubt it if they are being paid through a Polish agency. So if they down tools, will siptu pay their pay out of their cash pile from other people’s union dues ?

According to yesterdays Independent, workers were having house parties, how are companies responsible then.

DeanAustin

DeanAustin wrote: »

You're right - questions need to be answered. But we don't know that the vacancies arose because of a known COVID outbreak. You're drawing a conclusion without offering Brady's the chance to explain themselves.

What short term increase (in the time of corona) in demand necessitated these temporary positions. It is not as though staff were going on holiday.

Zebra3

wrangler wrote: »

Pass the responsibility, Who is advising our legislators, are they too thick to see a loophole or just lazy. What are the Department of Finance if not Civil servants.
This virus might be the best thing ever happened this country, It's uncovering a lot of poor performance already.

You must have missed the whole scandal of advisors being hired on obscene salaries.

And it wouldn't surprise most people if politicians left loopholes open for their mates given the levels of corruption that have ran through FFFG over the years.

Still waiting to see DOB handcuffed.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

What short term increase (in the time of corona) in demand necessitated these temporary positions.

Grocery sales jump 23.2% as Irish brands get a boost
Irish brands like Barry's Tea, Keelings, Kelkin and Keogh's all experienced a sales boost.
Source: RTE

wrangler

Graham wrote: »

Grocery sales jump 23.2% as Irish brands get a boost
Irish brands like Barry's Tea, Keelings, Kelkin and Keogh's all experienced a sales boost.
Source: RTE

Bradys wouldn't be the first factory to hire students during the summer holidays.
I wonder can the workers wear face mask and social distance without being told to. Personal responsibility has to come into it too

YFlyer

wrangler wrote: »

Bradys wouldn't be the first factory to hire students during the summer holidays.
I wonder can the workers wear face mask and social distance without being told to. Personal responsibility has to come into it too

A good line manager be required

Graham

I expect there will be huge numbers of people across all sorts of industries that have returned to work and carried on as before.

There's naturally going to be a period of adjustment until behaviours change significantly. I very much doubt this is the last outbreak of this type we'll see although I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong.

Gooey Looey

wrangler wrote: »

Bradys wouldn't be the first factory to hire students during the summer holidays.
I wonder can the workers wear face mask and social distance without being told to. Personal responsibility has to come into it too

And yet there's huge pressure being put on shops, crèches, hair dressers, restaurants, hotels etc to ensure proper social distancing and safety requirements are adhered to

Graham

Gooey Looey wrote: »

And yet there's huge pressure being put on shops, crèches, hair dressers, restaurants, hotels etc to ensure proper social distancing and safety requirements are adhered to

and I've almost no doubt we'll still see outbreaks in those types of businesses too.

I think most efforts so far have been concentrating on the public facing businesses like retail.

wrangler

wrangler wrote: »

According to yesterdays Independent, workers were having house parties, how are companies responsible then.

To me it looks as if contract workers who live and socialise together and work across multiple plants in the midlands have been the primary driver on this. We have the dog food plant outbreak, this spread out to the communities in which the workers circulate, and then brought into the Kildare and Offaly plants by contacts of the original outbreak. The behaviours of the workers combined with the employment circumstances of those employees appears to be to blame here

DeanAustin

Muahahaha wrote: »

Bradys had the chance to explain themselves and they put up a FAQ on their website which was nothing but non-answers, PR speak and obfuscation. I think if you follow the timeline it is obvious whats happened here- on August the 4th they were trying to recruit 30 student locals using Facebook and Kildare GAA and then on August 7th there is a localised lockdown with the revelation that 80 staff in the Bradys factory had tested positive for the virus, i.e. they could no longer work there and Bradys decided to recruit more staff into that environment.

Thats why they were trying to get locals in, they didnt give a dam if the students got the virus and then spread it to their parents, grandparents and siblings. All they cared for was keeping the production lines running and fcuk the consequences.

The consequences are now loud and clear- 400,000 people across Kildare, Offaly and Laois are now locked down for the second time as a result of what was going on inside these meat factories. Peoples holiday plans thrown into chaos with lost money everywhere, brides weddings cancelled with 12 hours notice.

And it took an english newspaper to uncover the lip service that was being paid to the virus inside these meat plants. Whole scale disregard for social distancing, staff not being provided with PPE, it goes on and on
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/14/everyones-on-top-of-you-sneezing-and-coughing-life-inside-irelands-meat-plants-covid-19

Hang on. They're recruiting in a GAA club that they have a partnership with in the local community. Aside from the reputational damage from the outbreak if what you're suggesting is true, you're also suggesting that they would deliberately and blatantly put the GAA club and the wide GAA organisation at risk in a reckless manner. That would destroy their company once it is inevitably uncovered.

I don't believe that the narrative is quite as straightforward as you are painting it. By all means, questions should be asked but your posts are full of supposition.

DeanAustin

Deleted User wrote: »

What short term increase (in the time of corona) in demand necessitated these temporary positions. It is not as though staff were going on holiday.

I don't know enough about the industry or the situation to answer that which is why I'm not drawing a conclusion on it. Neither do most people on here.

Scoondal

Are the products of these factories safe to eat ?

YFlyer

Scoondal wrote: »

Are the products of these factories safe to eat ?

You got to check how long the virus survive on those surfaces.