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Lockdown for Kildare (Aug 8th-31st)

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    #1082
    Graham
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    Scoondal wrote: »
    Are the products of these factories safe to eat ?
    Can COVID-19 spread through food?

    It is highly unlikely that people can contract COVID-19 from food or food packaging. COVID-19 is a respiratory illness and the primary transmission route is through person-to- person contact and through direct contact with respiratory droplets generated when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

    There is no evidence to date of viruses that cause respiratory illnesses being transmitted via food or food packaging. Coronaviruses cannot multiply in food; they need an animal or human host to multiply.
    Source: WHO


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    #1083
    Scoondal
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    You got to check how long the virus survive on those surfaces.

    A chilled product laced with preservatives. My guess is a couple of hours or maybe a couple of weeks.
    Wait I will get a degree in food science and a medical degree specilaising in corona viruses, then I can make an educated decision.


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    #1084
    LuasSimon
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    The country will have to decide which is more important Larry Goodman and his equals profits made from slave operations in meat factories or clearing the covid pandemic from this country, only a matter of time before theres more clusters in Meat plants in Cork, Limerick, Galway etc


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    #1085
    LuasSimon
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    springwell7616 wrote: »
    Living in Beara and the amount of cars from Dublin, Offaly, Kildare and Laois that are coming down here is frightening. We’ve no cases so far but that won’t last if these people continue to ignore the lockdown of Offaly, Kildare, Laois. They walk and drive amongst us!

    Wouldnt worry about those visitors , id be more worried about the slaves going in or out of the nearest meat factory to you !


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    #1086
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    Graham wrote: »
    Source: WHO
    Product cooked in the home should be safe. Cold meats and others less safe but still safe enough not to be the cause of baseless hysteria.


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    #1087
    Graham
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    The country will have to decide which is more important Larry Goodman and his equals profits made from slave operations in meat factories or clearing the covid pandemic from this country, only a matter of time before theres more clusters in Meat plants in Cork, Limerick, Galway etc

    It's only a matter of time until there are more clusters full stop.

    No need for the oligarch conspiracies.


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    #1088
    Scoondal
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    The country will have to decide which is more important Larry Goodman and his equals profits made from slave operations in meat factories or clearing the covid pandemic from this country, only a matter of time before theres more clusters in Meat plants in Cork, Limerick, Galway etc

    I may temporarily avoid meat products as there is no guidance from the government about the safety of Irish meat products. Silence.


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    #1089
    Scoondal
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Product cooked in the home should be safe. Cold meats and others less safe but still safe enough not to be the cause of baseless hysteria.

    Yes. That sounds sensible.


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    #1090
    Graham
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    Scoondal wrote: »
    I may temporarily avoid meat products as there is no guidance from the government about the safety of Irish meat products. Silence.

    There's also no specific guidance for the safety of bread, cake, sweets, vegetables, dairy products, canned or dried foods, toilet paper.....

    You're in for a fun few weeks. :pac:


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    #1091
    Rock77
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    Graham wrote: »
    Source: WHO

    It is highly unlikely you will contact Covid from food or food packaging... well I hope that fills you with confidence because it certainly doesn’t me!! Think I’ll steer clear of the Brady ham... just to be sure..


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    #1092
    Rock77
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    Graham wrote: »
    There's also no specific guidance for the safety of bread, cake, sweets, vegetables, dairy products, canned or dried foods, toilet paper.....

    You're in for a fun few weeks. :pac:

    Come on Graham, there isn’t a clatter of bread, cake, sweet, veg, dairy, or toilet paper factories around the country with workers riddled with Covid.


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    #1093
    Graham
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    Rock77 wrote: »
    Come on Graham, there isn’t a clatter of bread, cake, sweet, veg, dairy, or toilet paper factories around the country with workers riddled with Covid.

    Most people wouldn't have a clue where their produce is manufactured, grown, processed, packed, picked.

    Personally I'll just continue to task the usual precautions around distancing, hand cleaning and masks. To each their own.


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    #1094
    YFlyer
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    Scoondal wrote: »
    A chilled product laced with preservatives. My guess is a couple of hours or maybe a couple of weeks.
    Wait I will get a degree in food science and a medical degree specilaising in corona viruses, then I can make an educated decision.

    Lol.


    How about abstaining then? It's a novel virus. We don't know everything about it..


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    #1095
    YFlyer
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    The country will have to decide which is more important Larry Goodman and his equals profits made from slave operations in meat factories or clearing the covid pandemic from this country, only a matter of time before theres more clusters in Meat plants in Cork, Limerick, Galway etc

    Yeah. Virus is not going away.


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    #1096
    Spanish Eyes
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    Graham wrote: »
    It's only a matter of time until there are more clusters full stop.

    No need for the oligarch conspiracies.

    Well to be fair, the Gov ordered businesses to close in LOK, but failed to mention the meat factories which are obviously the source of this outbreak.

    Don't you find that a bit odd? I get that most are now voluntarily deciding to shut down I think! But the Min for Health said it was HIS OPINION that they should shut.

    If I were a business owner other than a meat factory in LOK I would be livid.


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    #1097
    mloc123
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    If I were a business owner other than a meat factory in LOK I would be livid.

    Yup...

    https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1291830220610207746


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    #1098
    Graham
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Well to be fair, the Gov ordered businesses to close in LOK, but failed to mention the meat factories

    Which ones were open at the time?


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    #1099
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Graham wrote: »
    Which ones were open at the time?

    Kildare Chilling has been open all week afaik?


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    #1100
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Kildare Chilling has been open all week afaik?

    Here's what has been reported.

    Kildare Chilling - cluster was confined to specific section of the factory, which has been closed.

    Irish Dog Food - closed two weeks ago

    O'Brien Fine Foods - normal operations have been suspended since 4 August

    Not quite the "food barons are carrying on without a care" approach that some would have you believe.


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    #1101
    Scoondal
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Well to be fair, the Gov ordered businesses to close in LOK, but failed to mention the meat factories which are obviously the source of this outbreak.

    Don't you find that a bit odd? I get that most are now voluntarily deciding to shut down I think! But the Min for Health said it was HIS OPINION that they should shut.

    If I were a business owner other than a meat factory in LOK I would be livid.

    No I don't find that odd. The government are on their holidays. Sitting with their feet up.
    FSAI have given no guidance about the food products on supermarket shelves. Irish people are just a nuisance to them now.


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    #1102
    Spanish Eyes
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    Graham wrote: »
    Which ones were open at the time?

    You can split hairs all you like Graham, but when the lockdown was announced on Friday night with little warning, these were the rules... see below.

    I don't see meat factories in there anywhere, do you? Sorry it's long but this is the Gov announcement.

    Economic activity and work
    Anyone in these counties who can work from home should work from home.

    Social
    Cafes and restaurants

    All cafes and restaurants, including bars operating as restaurants, should only offer takeaway or delivery, or outdoor dining (maximum 15 people with strict physical distancing).

    Hotels can remain open but must limit occupancy to essential non-social and non-tourist reasons. Existing guests can remain for the duration of their booking.

    Indoor gatherings

    All indoor gatherings should be restricted to a maximum of 6 people from no more than 3 households in total, while maintaining physical distancing.

    Outdoor gatherings

    Outdoor gatherings should be limited to a maximum of 15 people, while maintaining physical distancing.

    Cultural and religious
    All cinemas, theatres, casinos, betting shops, bingo halls, gyms, leisure centres, swimming pools, exercise and dance studios are required to close.

    Attendance at a funeral service and burial or cremation ceremony should be limited to 25 outdoors. Indoor events connected to the funeral are limited to a maximum of 6 people.

    Places of worship remain open for private prayer, while services are to be held online.

    Sport
    No sporting events or matches should take place, with the following exemptions:

    non-contact training outdoors in a maximum group of 15 people may continue
    professional and elite sports and horse-racing may continue behind closed doors
    inter-county training (max 15 people) and fixtures may continue behind closed doors
    Residential and healthcare facilities
    Visiting in long-term residential care facilities, acute settings and prisons will generally be suspended in the first instance with the exception of the most critical and compassionate circumstances (for example end of life).


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    #1103
    Graham
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I don't see meat factories in there anywhere, do you? Sorry it's long but this is the Gov announcement.

    No, quite clearly not there.

    I'm sure government responses will get better, faster and more organised as these types of outbreak occur.

    I'm not suggesting the response here was anything like perfect but you're being disingenuous in suggesting things just carried on regardless.


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    #1104
    Spanish Eyes
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    Graham wrote: »
    No, quite clearly not there.

    I'm sure government responses will get better, faster and more organised as these types of outbreak occur.

    I'm not suggesting the response here was anything like perfect but you're being disingenuous in suggesting things just carried on regardless.

    That is not what I meant at all. Just common sense would tell you that if the clusters were in the meat factories, well shut them down for two weeks along with all other businesses on the list I quoted.

    Total ineptidude from Gov IMV. You'd have to be a total idiot not to see the gaping hole there!

    There were no clusters from all other businesses told to shut up shop were there?


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    #1105
    Graham
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    That is not what I meant at all. Just common sense would tell you that if the clusters were in the meat factories, well shut them down for two weeks along with all other businesses on the list I quoted.

    Total ineptidude from Gov IMV. You'd have to be a total idiot not to see the gaping hole there!

    There were no clusters from all other businesses told to shut up shop were there?

    You'll notice from the list you posted all of the businesses are directly public facing. There are no manufacturing/warehouse/logistics/trade, in fact no non-public-facing businesses of any kind.

    We don't know what the companies directly involved had been told, had been advised, had already agreed to so it would be premature to start screaming that the approach was inappropriate.


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    #1106
    Scoondal
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    Graham wrote: »
    No, quite clearly not there.

    I'm sure government responses will get better, faster and more organised as these types of outbreak occur.

    I'm not suggesting the response here was anything like perfect but you're being disingenuous in suggesting things just carried on regardless.

    But are you really sure ? They are all on their holidays now and do not wish to be bothered by people asking questions.


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    #1107
    Spanish Eyes
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    Graham wrote: »
    You'll notice from the list you posted all of the businesses are directly public facing. There are no manufacturing/warehouse/logistics/trade, in fact no non-public-facing businesses of any kind.

    We don't know what the companies directly involved had been told, had been advised, had already agreed to so it would be premature to start screaming that the approach was inappropriate.

    There were no clusters from the businesses told to shut up shop. You really fail to grasp that fact. So what if they are public facing? They are obviously not vectors for spread like the meat factories. But maybe you think that the spreaders from the meat factories will visit these places and further spread it? Hmm. Nip it in the bud, but all the workers in quarantine and let the rest of us get on with our masked, hand gelled lives.

    I am sorry Graham I don't understand your version of logic at all.


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    #1108
    Spanish Eyes
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    What is happening to Boards. Every post I make about the database error is gone.


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    #1109
    Graham
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    There were no clusters from the businesses told to shut up shop. You really fail to grasp that fact.

    I'm quite aware thanks.

    Likewise, 99% of the population of the three counties don't have coronavirus.

    The action was about preventing further spread as I'm sure you're fully aware.


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    #1110
    Spanish Eyes
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    Graham wrote: »
    I'm quite aware thanks.

    Likewise, 99% of the population of the three counties don't have coronavirus.

    The action was about preventing further spread as I'm sure you're fully aware.

    So why not close the factories and place the workers in quarantine for two weeks? Pay them Covid assistance or whatever. That is where the potential spread will come from, not from Mary's cafe selling a cappuccino and a scone ;)

    I reckon the factory workers are out and about when off duty, so to be fair, they could be spreading it around the place.

    Confine them to barracks I say!


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    #1111
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    So why not close the factories and place the workers in quarantine for two weeks?

    I assume somebody realises we need to try and balance the risks with keeping the economy open.

    Be thankful that approach was pretty much universal for the food supply chain recently. The last few months could very easily been a much much more miserable experience

    Unless you're talking about the meat processing plants in which case it looks like they will be closed and I'm unfamiliar with the instructions issued to their staff. As I assume you are.


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