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Lockdown for Kildare (Aug 8th-31st)

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    #122
    Spanish Eyes
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    They have very little to send home , Larry Goodman and other greedy factory owners make sure of that . We should be ashamed that greedy people like Larry Goodman making huge profits in these factories don’t pay their staff a living wage .

    Back in yer box my friend. No one is forced to work in meat factories are they?

    They get a living/minimum wage by law too.

    Meat factories are not alone in that either, but if people decide to take it up I applaud them, well done, they are not soaking our welfare system are they?


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    #123
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,953 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    BIG question..... will meat from factories spread Covid.


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    #124
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Absolute bollix, 48% of the cases are in Dublin, why aren't they locked down??

    Kildare laois and offaly have half the cases in the last two weeks despite having only 8% of the national population.

    Dublin have 48% since the beginning on a much bigger proportion of the population.

    It's not comparable.


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    #125
    Itssoeasy
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    BIG question..... will meat from factories spread Covid.

    Well presumably people will cook the meat they buy and heat isn't good for viruses then very doubtful.


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    #126
    MrMusician18
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    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Yeah ... that’s how the deal works, we need them to work, they think they get a good deal compared to wages in Brazil etc, can you blame them for sending it home(where I am sure they plan to move back to)?

    They are not to blame here, the plant owners are, and the government are for not having inspections in businesses like this from the start.
    Sometimes it is the individuals that are to blame, rather than deflecting to the big bad employers or government.


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    #127
    thomas 123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,768 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    average_runner wrote: »
    Not all stepped forward for testing, so stop the victim rubbish.

    Even if that is the case what has that got to do with lax hygiene, lack of distancing at their stations, lack of inspections...

    Or are you saying every worker ignored the guidelines and they as workers collectively caught it coincidentally all at meat plants.


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    #128
    LuasSimon
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    40 hours minimum wage at ten euro an hour gives you 400 a week . Larry Goodman and his equals take a hundred a week off the poor worker to sleep on one of 4 bunk beds in a room , a few bills , feed themselves and cloth themselves lives very very little ....... meanwhile they factory owner rakes it in .
    The rich get richer , oligarch rich stuff whilst the workers go round hungry


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    #129
    Man Vs ManUre
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    I used to spend my summers working in meat plants back in the 90s. The pay was better than if you were say working in a shop for the summer. Very hard physical work tho. By rights you would need to take a shower before leaving each day, as it’s such a messy/bloody/fleshy job, but back then anyway there wasn’t shower facilities. Not that showers will stop this virus, just that I can’t imagine it ok now to go home stinking of animal parts but it was ok back then.
    Also back then it was mostly Irish doing the work, there was no big groups of Eastern European’s or Brazilians.


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    #130
    thomas 123
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Sometimes it is the individuals that are to blame, rather than deflecting to the big bad employers or government.

    Right, in 3 meat plants? What’s the statistical chances that could happen...


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    #131
    dere34
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    Foreign workers are coming here to provide cheap labour but think that they are entitled to flout the rules of the country they are a guest in?

    Is it any wonder why the Brits left the EU?


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    #132
    Purple Mountain
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    So if you live in those counties and you have a holiday booked in Cork, you have to cancel?
    Equally if you live in Cork and have a break booked in Kildare or Laois or Offaly, you have to cancel.
    So now booking a staycation is as risky as booking a trip abroad?

    To thine own self be true



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    #133
    average_runner
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    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Even if that is the case what has that got to do with lax hygiene, lack of distancing at their stations, lack of inspections...

    Or are you saying every worker ignored the guidelines and they as workers collectively caught it coincidentally all at meat plants.

    Doesnt need to be every one just a few.
    And how did it get in there?
    Have you got proof of lack of inspection?

    The campsite we attend is inspected each week by HSE.


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    #134
    LuasSimon
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Back in yer box my friend. No one is forced to work in meat factories are they?

    They get a living/minimum wage by law too.

    Meat factories are not alone in that either, but if people decide to take it up I applaud them, well done, they are not soaking our welfare system are they?

    No because they are all from outside Ireland and it’s not that straightforward . Many of these people are fleeing wars in Africa and are afraid they will be deported if they turn down work . Larry Goodman an DV his equals licks his lips at what he can put these poor bustards through for minimum wage


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    #135
    jeffk
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    Herself and I all set for Kilarney on Monday.

    Actually have family members suggesting adding at least a hour on to avoid these counties, long enough spin as it is

    Was also set for breakfast in Portlaoise as handy as only a hour from here

    To think I didn't see her for 3 months as don't live together and then this when try to go on holidays

    Only so much people can give


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    #136
    Spanish Eyes
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    The meat factories are getting a lot of flack. The workers are getting sick and spreading it around because they are sharing with multiple people. It really is that simple.


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    #137
    average_runner
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The meat factories are getting a lot of flack. The workers are getting sick and spreading it around because they are sharing with multiple people. It really is that simple.

    But it's not just inside those factories ?

    A gas club had to shut down because of it. All of them don't work in a meat factory


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    #138
    Tzardine
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    I live in Kildare. I have a camping trip to Kerry booked. Was supposed to be going down on Sunday.

    I am still going. If I am allowed to continue to travel into work in Dublin City where I work in a public building , it makes no sense that I can not travel to Kerry.

    If anything I am less of a risk in my tent in Kerry than I am commuting every day and working with the public.

    I hear no mention of these restrictions being mandatory anyway.


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    #139
    Beanybabog
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    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    Cue all the Dubs laughing at KOL. The government should have done it countrywide. We're not a giant country like Australia.

    I don’t think anyone is laughing. I live in Dublin and I feel terrible for them, for the business that have to close, the people that can’t see family again. I find it depressing and I don’t live there, so I can imagine how some people feel right now. Nothing funny about it at all.


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    #140
    Dcully
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    Purple Mountain wrote: »
    So if you live in those counties and you have a holiday booked in Cork, you have to cancel?
    Equally if you live in Cork and have a break booked in Kildare or Laois or Offaly, you have to cancel.
    So now booking a staycation is as risky as booking a trip abroad?


    Yes , we have to stay in our own county, not just any of the three.


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    #141
    Spanish Eyes
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    No because they are all from outside Ireland and it’s not that straightforward . Many of these people are fleeing wars in Africa and are afraid they will be deported if they turn down work . Larry Goodman an DV his equals licks his lips at what he can put these poor bustards through for minimum wage

    Have you any stats for deportation of asylum seekers yourself? I bet it is one per year if that. Once they are in, they are here for life at our expense. Get with the program.


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    #142
    DulchieLaois
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    I love to know how I can travel to
    Laois on Sunday as I am travelling from green list country ...I cannot travel by public transport and my friend cannot pick us up


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    #143
    MrMusician18
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    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Right, in 3 meat plants? What’s the statistical chances that could happen...

    If you have workers hiding symptoms with paracetamol, who is to blame then? Because it appears that's happening.


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    #144
    thomas 123
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Doesnt need to be every one just a few.
    And how did it get in there?
    Have you got proof of lack of inspection?

    The campsite we attend is inspected each week by HSE.

    Exactly - you can’t blame the workers here, or at least solely blame them.

    Questions that will tell us more:

    - Are the workers living in cramped overcrowded houses subsidised by the plant.
    - do they have social distancing in place at their stations.
    - did they take or were they forced to take the required time off work when they had covid symptoms.

    Or will we just blame the foreigners? That’s the easy option yeah?

    I guess we will be seeing the outbreaks in hotel housekeeping staff etc this week so.


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    #145
    Spanish Eyes
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    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well presumably people will cook the meat they buy and heat isn't good for viruses then very doubtful.

    Was kinda joking on a Friday Night with all this lockdown stuff, but thanks anyway ;)


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    #146
    Sierra Oscar
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    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1291794777483223041

    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1291795097823125506


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    #147
    Purple Mountain
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    Dcully wrote: »
    Yes , we have to stay in our own county, not just any of the three.

    So all hotels and b n bs in your 3 counties will be turfing out their guests tomorrow then?

    To thine own self be true



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    #148
    ACitizenErased
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    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1291794777483223041?s=20


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    #149
    MrMusician18
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    Tzardine wrote: »
    I live in Kildare. I have a camping trip to Kerry booked. Was supposed to be going down on Sunday.

    I am still going. If I am allowed to continue to travel into work in Dublin City where I work in a public building , it makes no sense that I can not travel to Kerry.

    If anything I am less of a risk in my tent in Kerry than I am commuting every day and working with the public.

    I hear no mention of these restrictions being mandatory anyway.

    Donnelly said they are going to be put on a statutory footing.


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    #150
    Spanish Eyes
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    average_runner wrote: »
    But it's not just inside those factories ?

    A gas club had to shut down because of it. All of them don't work in a meat factory

    Mingling in non socially distancing groups is the problem for every group now.


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    #151
    vafankillar
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    I live in dublin near the border of kildare and genuinely forget leixlip and maynooth aren't dublin most of the time and was planning to go out there during the week.

    it seems like it's mostly just forcing pubs and restaurants to close and since it can't really be policed everyone's just gonna go to dublin or another nearby place.

    **** situation for all the those places that have been adhering to the rules when it's mostly working conditions in a few places causing it


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