Lockdown for Kildare (Aug 8th-31st)

Sardonicat

Limpy wrote: »

99.9% of those workers will be fine in 2 week. Isolate the vunerable. Open up the country.

The 'vulnerable ' are already isolated and have been since March. Until we are covid free it will stay that way. Day services and respite are gone. I'm a carer and have lived under almost house arrest conditions since March, without a break of any kind. During that time I have not received even one phone call from the public health nurse to enquire how we are, to offer advice or instruction - nothing. You expect vulnerable people and those of us who care for them to remain locked up so you can get on with spreading this disease because you think it won't effect you. I'm alright Jack?

FintanMcluskey

LuasSimon wrote: »

Their workers from the poorest parts of the EU or direct provision centres paid the minimum wage for back breaking work and afraid to call in sick such is the fear and prison like regime these factories operate under . Modern day slavery

They are employed as self employed contractor's so they wernt entitled to any state benefits while sick.

Goodman meanwhile continues with his racketeering.

There will be films on that man in years to come

AMKC

Muahahaha wrote: »

Already seen it on whatsapp, 'Kildare GAA to be renamed 'The Filthy Whites'





TV3 news said that over the last two weeks the three counties have been the source of half (around 240) of all new cases with another 60 yet to be reported on today.

Am glad to see I am not the only one that still calls it TV3 lol. Virgin 1/2/3 just has not stuck with me.

Feria40

Sardonicat wrote: »

The 'vulnerable ' are already isolated and have been since March. Until we are covid free it will stay that way. Day services and respite are gone. I'm a carer and have lived under almost house arrest conditions since March, without a break of any kind. During that time I have not received even one phone call from the public health nurse to enquire how we are, to offer advice or instruction - nothing. You expect vulnerable people and those of us who care for them to remain locked up so you can get on with spreading this disease because you think it won't effect you. I'm alright Jack?

The problem is though that the aim of being a zero Covid country is nigh on impossible

mobby

Classic divide and conquer by the Government, as can be seen even on this tread were those not affected tell those that are to suck it up and get on with it for the good of all. yeah right. there was no way they would call for a lockdown in Dublin as it would be unenforceable and ignored.

c.p.w.g.w

I wonder will we see SF or Labour trying to get better worker/working conditions for meat factories...

alentejo

I suspect it will be very difficult to police this mini lock down!

John_Rambo

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

Cue all the Dubs laughing at KOL. The government should have done it countrywide. We're not a giant country like Australia.

Get over yourself, nobodies laughing, this is an awful thing to happen to the three counties involved.

The Dubs have been expecting localised lockdowns since the beginning, the capital had all the checkpoints, car park blocks and obvious restrictions since day one. I was stopped and questioned eight times during phase one.

It's a proper shame that Kildare, Offaly and Laoise are on lockdown due to super rich Irish owned businesses and their greedy, flippant, selfish attitudes towards staff. It's obvious to everyone now that they took no precautions to protect the staff and therefore the community was left exposed.

Low wages, a young workforce with no elders at home, shared housing, no sick pay?? A "don't work - zero money" attitude? what the hell did they expect???

This is a big middle finger to the counties and communities that these companies operate in. I guess they're hoping the stupid dullards and brainless mouth breathers will resort to blaming the immigrant staff that work in the factories.

AMKC

Feria40 wrote: »

The problem is though that the aim of being a zero Covid country is nigh on impossible

I disagree. We have a much better chance of becoming a zero Covid country than a country on the continent. All we have to do is close all airports, ports, all public transport and we all just stay at home for a month unless you are a health care it shop worker The only thing you should need to leave your house for is a walk see a walk not a run or to buy food. This is what we should have done from the very beginning and we would have been rid of this virus from our beautiful little island by now instead of this happening.

Stark

And when you need to reopen the country? We're a small open economy, we can't just cut ourselves off from the rest of Europe indefinitely. The only way we're getting to zero is if all of Europe (at the very least) gets to zero

LillySV

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

I used to spend my summers working in meat plants back in the 90s. The pay was better than if you were say working in a shop for the summer. Very hard physical work tho. By rights you would need to take a shower before leaving each day, as it’s such a messy/bloody/fleshy job, but back then anyway there wasn’t shower facilities. Not that showers will stop this virus, just that I can’t imagine it ok now to go home stinking of animal parts but it was ok back then.
Also back then it was mostly Irish doing the work, there was no big groups of Eastern European’s or Brazilians.

Same here... worked in one for a summer in my late teens and was absolutely boloxed every night... hard work ... but if you were good you got bonuses and extra pay... came out with Good money ..

2ndcoming

Leixlip, Celbridge, Maynooth nearer O'Connell St than Timahoe, 25km approx. Lived in the area all my life and know nothing more about Timahoe than I saw it on a signpost before.

Enfield, Co Meath 10km, no lockdown.

Feria40

AMKC wrote: »

I disagree. We have a much better chance of becoming a zero Covid country than a country on the continent. All we have to do is close all airports, ports, all public transport and we all just stay at home for a month unless you are a health care it shop worker The only thing you should need to leave your house for is a walk see a walk not a run or to buy food. This is what we should have done from the very beginning and we would have been rid of this virus from our beautiful little island by now instead of this happening.

Simples close the borders and eradicate the virus.

Apart from all the economic anomalies, there is just the NI border to consider.

If we get over that we just have to wait it out for a few years I guess..

Assetbacked

AMKC wrote: »

I disagree. We have a much better chance of becoming a zero Covid country than a country on the continent. All we have to do is close all airports, ports, all public transport and we all just stay at home for a month unless you are a health care it shop worker The only thing you should need to leave your house for is a walk see a walk not a run or to buy food. This is what we should have done from the very beginning and we would have been rid of this virus from our beautiful little island by now instead of this happening.

This is such drivel. "All we have to do" and then you say close the ports and airports. If they didn't do it back in March they aren't doing it now. As a result, the policy is clearly just to manage cases and infections. It is so pointless to talk about what we could do or should do when it is clear that the government policy is not to completely eradicate the virus. The not leaving your house but for those couple of things is scarily authoritarian sounding and you should be ashamed.

Stark

Assetbacked wrote: »

The not leaving your house but for those couple of things is scarily authoritarian sounding and you should be ashamed.

To be fair, we had that all through April and May. And it would be worth it if it did actually work in completely eliminating the virus and allowing us to go completely back to "the old normal". If only it were that simple.

DeanAustin

mobby wrote: »

Classic divide and conquer by the Government, as can be seen even on this tread were those not affected tell those that are to suck it up and get on with it for the good of all. yeah right. there was no way they would call for a lockdown in Dublin as it would be unenforceable and ignored.

This **** p!sses me right off and it’s from a lot of posters. Ok, you don’t agree with the government decision. That’s fine, we live in a democracy.

But the amount of people assuming some sort of sinister motivation for taking action or cowardice for not doing something else is doing my head in. You can’t assume motivation so why not just take the government at face value - they’re making these decisions for what they believe is best for the country.

They may be proved right and they may be proved wrong. But there is a logic behind every decision they’ve taken. It’s fine to disagree with them but it just polarises the discussion when people assume negative intent or sinister motives along with their disagreement.

Spiderman0081

DeanAustin wrote: »

This **** p!sses me right off and it’s from a lot of posters. Ok, you don’t agree with the government decision. That’s fine, we live in a democracy.

But the amount of people assuming some sort of sinister motivation for taking action or cowardice for not doing something else is doing my head in. You can’t assume motivation so why not just take the government at face value - they’re making these decisions for what they believe is best for the country.

They may be proved right and they may be proved wrong. But there is a logic behind every decision they’ve taken. It’s fine to disagree with them but it just polarises the discussion when people assume negative intent or sinister motives along with their disagreement.

What could possibly prove them wrong? How could they be proved wrong if there is logic behind every decision? It’s those who do not follow their advice who will always be in the wrong.

pgj2015

Deleted User wrote: »

@ that is all
You think you’ll prevent me leaving my county? Think again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHihGPyxe10

gabeeg

[Deleted User] wrote: »

@ that is all
You think you’ll prevent me leaving my county? Think again

You'll be sorely missed

pennydreadful

What do ye think the likelihood is that it will be lifted on the 21st? When lockdown was imposed nationwide, we never came out of it in time in the early stages, wonder will it be different now on a smaller scale.

pgj2015

pennydreadful wrote: »

What do ye think the likelihood is that it will be lifted on the 21st? When lockdown was imposed nationwide, we never came out of it in time in the early stages, wonder will it be different now on a smaller scale.

They might end it next week, as they should, crazy decision. Im not sure they realize how much people feel this is a step too far.

2ndcoming

DeanAustin wrote: »

This **** p!sses me right off and it’s from a lot of posters. Ok, you don’t agree with the government decision. That’s fine, we live in a democracy.

But the amount of people assuming some sort of sinister motivation for taking action or cowardice for not doing something else is doing my head in. You can’t assume motivation so why not just take the government at face value - they’re making these decisions for what they believe is best for the country.

They may be proved right and they may be proved wrong. But there is a logic behind every decision they’ve taken. It’s fine to disagree with them but it just polarises the discussion when people assume negative intent or sinister motives along with their disagreement.

The sinister motives such as funneling government contracts and grants to the owners of these meat plants for decades while they ship in Moldovans and Romanians 15 to a house to work in them for minimum wage and then afraid to put proper restrictions on them when the writing is on the wall that it's a disaster waiting to happen?

I mean I guess maybe it's not sinister when they're doing it 40 years and we keep voting them in like the bootlicking thicks we are.

alentejo

pennydreadful wrote: »

What do ye think the likelihood is that it will be lifted on the 21st? When lockdown was imposed nationwide, we never came out of it in time in the early stages, wonder will it be different now on a smaller scale.

I think if the numbers are comparable with the rest of the counties, will be lifted. I suspect there is a huge political price to pay for this lock down and the failure to tackle the processing plants....

DeanAustin

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

What could possibly prove them wrong? How could they be proved wrong if there is logic behind every decision? It’s those who do not follow their advice who will always be in the wrong.

If cases continue to spike in the three counties they’d be wrong. There would still be responsibility on those who defy the advice because they are ignoring what they are being told to do but, if spikes continue, youd then have to question the government’s policy or implementation of the lockdown.

We don’t live in a world of absolutes and this isn’t a situation of absolutes where we can find one bogeyman to blame because our lives are being impacted by a global pandemic.

Logic doesn’t mean you’ll always be right. It just means that with the information you have to hand, the decision you’re making makes some sort of sense. It may subsequently be proven to be incorrect.

troyzer

I have a VRT appointment in Kildare tomorrow.

I suppose I can't go now, I'll have to ring them first thing when they open.

GT89

The result of decades of government comtempt for the Irish people. Flood the country with cheap immigrant labour and create a race to the bottom then put Irish people under lockdown for the privilage. Keelings MKII if you ask me.

Leftwaffe

Shambles this whole thing. Was just stopped myself by some guard waffling on about essential journeys and asking me where I work. He told me to do it from home if I could. Never asked where I was going or nothing. He didn't even know what to say to me himself. Token gesture.

StupidLikeAFox

DeanAustin wrote: »

But the amount of people assuming some sort of sinister motivation for taking action or cowardice for not doing something else is doing my head in. You can’t assume motivation so why not just take the government at face value - they’re making these decisions for what they believe is best for the country.

You can't cover up ****ty decisions with "they are doing their best".

tom1ie

GT89 wrote: »

The result of decades of government comtempt for the Irish people. Flood the country with cheap immigrant labour and create a race to the bottom then put Irish people under lockdown for the privilage.

Ah hold on now, are you gonna gut chicken so that your fellow citizen can get 1kg of chicken for €6 in Lidl?

No didn’t think so.
We are all going along with this by consuming cheap meat due to cheap processing costs.
Yes goodman has a question to answer but so do we.

Working class heroes

GT89 wrote: »

The result of decades of government comtempt for the Irish people. Flood the country with cheap immigrant labour and create a race to the bottom then put Irish people under lockdown for the privilage. Keelings MKII if you ask me.

Ah, I see you share your wisdom on many threads.

tom1ie

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Shambles this whole thing. Was just stopped myself by some guard waffling on about essential journeys and asking me where I work. He told me to do it from home if I could. Never asked where I was going or nothing. He didn't even know what to say to me himself. Token gesture.

Was he wearing a mask?

mandrake04

GazzaL wrote: »

Everyone in the 3 counties might as well pack their bags this evening and go somewhere else for two weeks.

2 weeks..LOL... They said they were locking down for 2 weeks in March and look how that panned out.

2 weeks simply doesn’t cut it, you need a 2-3 cycles of 2 weeks to ensure all family members have been through the incubation stages... that’s why in Melbourne the shut down was minimum 6 weeks and told they be lucky for it only to be that...it could last to Christmas.

Leftwaffe

tom1ie wrote: »

Was he wearing a mask?

No he wasn't. There was literally no point to the stoppage only to be seen.

Man Vs ManUre

LillySV wrote: »

Same here... worked in one for a summer in my late teens and was absolutely boloxed every night... hard work ... but if you were good you got bonuses and extra pay... came out with Good money ..

It can vary depending on what job you have, but there are no easy jobs. I did a variety but the hardest was probably on the beef line cutting off cows tails. And I mean the tail at the root, so your standing on a metal platform 6ft in the air, no safety connection, this huge carcass come to you and you have to try to cut into the knuckle at the root of the fatty tail. Then when you manage to get it and cut across and remove the tail, ou have to cut around the fatty arsehole part, so that next job in line where the stomach and insides are pulled out by a lad on ground level is done. And then the cutting off of the head, which is very heavy, is done around the same area. 3 savage difficult jobs in close proximity. To be honest every job on the beef line is difficult, but some more than others. The lamb line is easier, but volume of kill and speed of the the line is 10 times the beef. I never had the privilege of working in a chicken factory so dunno what that is like!!

mandrake04

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Let's be honest, 2 weeks is not a long time in the Covid world. Its likely to be a month of restrictions.

Yeah exactly a month if you are lucky, I can’t understand why people are so gullible when it comes to this 2 week business have they learnt nothing over the last 6 months.

y0ssar1an22

tom1ie wrote: »

Ah hold on now, are you gonna gut chicken so that your fellow citizen can get 1kg of chicken for €6 in Lidl?

No didn’t think so.
We are all going along with this by consuming cheap meat due to cheap processing costs.
Yes goodman has a question to answer but so do we.

there are a lot of people 'seeking' work that could do this job.

GT89

tom1ie wrote: »

Ah hold on now, are you gonna gut chicken so that your fellow citizen can get 1kg of chicken for €6 in Lidl?

No didn’t think so.
We are all going along with this by consuming cheap meat due to cheap processing costs.
Yes goodman has a question to answer but so do we.

Because it is a race to the bottom. If wages were higher and people had a better standard of living they wouldn't have to be buying €6 chickens in Lidl and could afford to buy better quality products made in a more sustainable manner with people in factory given better working conditions and wages.

Irish people would work in meat factories if the wages and conditions were better.

pennydreadful

mandrake04 wrote: »

2 weeks..LOL... They said they were locking down for 2 weeks in March and look how that panned out.

2 weeks simply doesn’t cut it, you need a 2-3 cycles of 2 weeks to ensure all family members have been through the incubation stages... that’s why in Melbourne the shut down was minimum 6 weeks and told they be lucky for it only to be that...it could last to Christmas.

I agree. I think they say two weeks because if they were honest and actually said how long it will last for there would be murder. They always seem to go in with two weeks and revise afterwards. Surely the whole point of this lockdown is that they know that community transmission in the areas is about to become a problem since it has spread so fast in factories and DP and the wider spread will actually start from this point. I'd say we're looking at 4 week minimum.

gabeeg

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

there are a lot of people 'seeking' work that could do this job.

No there isn't

There's hardly anyone in the country, employed or otherwise, that could do that job

tom1ie

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

No he wasn't. There was literally no point to the stoppage only to be seen.

Ffs! No joined up thinking. If the guard is stopping lads he needs to be showing leadership by wearing a mask.

thenightman

tom1ie wrote: »

Was he wearing a mask?

Its Garda policy from their CMO to only wear masks in confined spaces like when boarding public transport or entering member of public homes. Not advised to wear them on patrol in open air or at checkpoints.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1139073/

Brother is a guard. He wears his when they have a prisoner in the car, on public counter,. In custody area in station, when they have to go hands on with a customer, or in enclosed spaces.

Be outraged by something else.

thenightman

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

there are a lot of people 'seeking' work that could do this job.

Like the mythical thousands of leaving cert students who were going to pick fruit yeah? How did that shake out in reality?

tom1ie

GT89 wrote: »

Because it is a race to the bottom. If wages were higher and people had a better standard of living they wouldn't have to be buying €6 chickens in Lidl and could afford to buy better quality products made in a more sustainable manner with people in factory given better working conditions and wages.

Irish people would work in meat factories if the wages and conditions were better.

Ah jaysus don’t be so naive!!

If produce costs more to produce that cost is passed onto consumers.
Therefore if you hire an Irish worker who demands min wage the cost per chicken wing reflects that.
If you hire a migrant worker who demands min wage minus accommodation the cost per chicken wing reflects that.
The ordinary person going shopping buys the cheapest chicken wing regardless of how it arrived on Lidl’s shelves sorry to disappoint you, that’s just modern economics.

y0ssar1an22

gabeeg wrote: »

No there isn't

There's hardly anyone in the country, employed or otherwise, that could do that job

how little do you actually think of people?

most people can do most jobs with a little training.

mandrake04

pennydreadful wrote: »

I agree. I think they say two weeks because if they were honest and actually said how long it will last for there would be murder. They always seem to go in with two weeks and revise afterwards. Surely the whole point of this lockdown is that they know that community transmission in the areas is about to become a problem since it has spread so fast in factories and DP and the wider spread will actually start from this point. I'd say we're looking at 4 week minimum.

I agree with the minimum 4 weeks but if the neighboring counties lag by a few weeks and subsequently go into their own restrictions then LOK will still be kept under current restrictions

y0ssar1an22

thenightman wrote: »

Like the mythical thousands of leaving cert students who were going to pick fruit yeah? How did that shake out in reality?

well the 1st question is, why didn't they?

i used to do it in primary school.

tom1ie

thenightman wrote: »

Its Garda policy from their CMO to only wear masks in confined spaces like when boarding public transport or entering member of public homes. Not advised to wear them on patrol in open air or at checkpoints.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1139073/

Brother is a guard. He wears his when they have a prisoner in the car, on public counter,. In custody area in station, when they have to go hands on with a customer, or in enclosed spaces.

Be outraged by something else.

Relax.
No outrage here.
It makes sense to me for a fella sticking his head and breathing into my property to wear a mask for his and my protection.
You might not have been keeping up with things though so I’ll give you that.

StupidLikeAFox

Restaurants, hotels and many other businesses in Meath (a short trip from the meat plants) are unaffected and are currently business as usual. Yet similar restaurants, hotels etc in Athy/Castledermot /South Kildare/Laois/Offaly have to close their doors, furlough staff, reduce stock, turn away customers etc etc. Staycations cancelled, sport cancelled, communions/weddings and other events cancelled even though there is still very little evidence of transmission in the community.

Some of the plants involved are already planning to reopen on Monday. So if i follow the guidelines for several months, restrict movement & barely socialise and all this can be nullified by a couple of large businesses in a localised area (many, many miles away from me) not giving a hoot - "all in this together" indeed

gabeeg

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

well the 1st question is, why didn't they?

i used to do it in primary school.

Were you sent to pick fruit while the rest of the class were learning?

That's tough. I mean it makes sense, but tough nonetheless

JPCN1

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

how little do you actually think of people?

most people can do most jobs with a little training.

And motivation....