Lockdown for Kildare (Aug 8th-31st)

pennydreadful

mandrake04 wrote: »

I agree with the minimum 4 weeks but if the neighboring counties lag by a few weeks and subsequently go into their own restrictions then LOK will still be kept under current restrictions

Good point, likely that increased community transmission could see a rise in cases in neighbouring counties over the next fortnight and LOK will have to stay under restrictions as it is brought under control.

PowerToWait

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

It can vary depending on what job you have, but there are no easy jobs. I did a variety but the hardest was probably on the beef line cutting off cows tails. And I mean the tail at the root, so your standing on a metal platform 6ft in the air, no safety connection, this huge carcass come to you and you have to try to cut into the knuckle at the root of the fatty tail. Then when you manage to get it and cut across and remove the tail, ou have to cut around the fatty arsehole part, so that next job in line where the stomach and insides are pulled out by a lad on ground level is done. And then the cutting off of the head, which is very heavy, is done around the same area. 3 savage difficult jobs in close proximity. To be honest every job on the beef line is difficult, but some more than others. The lamb line is easier, but volume of kill and speed of the the line is 10 times the beef. I never had the privilege of working in a chicken factory so dunno what that is like!!

Good post with genuine knowledge and experience of the floor.

irishproduce

So the meat factories will have banked the profits arising from the cheap labour that permits them to make those profits.
But as a direct result, the costs associated with those earnings are now transferred on to the people in the counties to be closed up?
Wow. If I had a staycation booked, I would be very annoyed that the factories pocket their profits off the back of my loss.

pgj2015

as if someone from the 3 counties wont travel out of them counties for a holiday they have booked next week.

if I had the money I would have bought that horse island, moved there for the next year and maybe then come back to the mainland if things had improved, its depressing living in Ireland at the moment.

copeyhagen

not being a dick, but is there any legal way they could stop them travelling outside their County?!

its not a law?!

mandrake04

pennydreadful wrote: »

Good point, likely that increased community transmission could see a rise in cases in neighbouring counties over the next fortnight and LOK will have to stay under restrictions as it is brought under control.

Also you have to factor in there are 100,000 arrivals per week at Dublin Airport 15K are from green list countries, 28K are from the UK and the other 43K are from non-green list countries. There will be always fresh outbreaks from now on in.

Spains cases has more or less doubled in the last week, tripled in the last 2-3 weeks and defnitely an up tick in France.

pgj2015

copeyhagen wrote: »

not being a dick, but is there any legal way they could stop them travelling outside their County?!

its not a law?!

I think its all in the legislation they passed a few months ago.

pennydreadful

pgj2015 wrote: »

as if someone from the 3 counties wont travel out of them counties for a holiday they have booked next week.

if I had the money I would have bought that horse island, moved there for the next year and maybe then come back to the mainland if things had improved, its depressing living in Ireland at the moment.

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

pgj2015

pennydreadful wrote: »

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

very hard to blame her in fairness. people are sick of the lockdowns and don't agree with this one. we get punished but let the planes full of americans keep coming, joke.

YellowBucket

They really need to carry out proper inspections and also have and enforce proper labour laws.

What the hell are we doing not ensuring sick pay in the middle of a pandemic. The social and economic costs of disruption by this area huge and this was probably entirely preventable or at least should have been nipped in the bud weeks ago if there has been proper management by the health authorities.

For a start, failure to notify a case or compelling someone to work while they have symptoms and haven’t been tested should be a criminal offence from now on.

We need to be coming down very heavy on this stuff with big penalties for non compliance.

mandrake04

irishproduce wrote: »

So the meat factories will have banked the profits arising from the cheap labour that permits them to make those profits.
But as a direct result, the costs associated with those earnings are now transferred on to the people in the counties to be closed up?
Wow. If I had a staycation booked, I would be very annoyed that the factories pocket their profits off the back of my loss.

Its not just the fault of the factory owners, do you think they want to be shut down?


Its the nature of low paid work, those people doing it probably don't have much sick leave and they are probably mostly immigrants that like to save their holidays leave for visiting family later.

If they are sick they just continue to work otherwise they lose out on money, its not really their country so less inclined to worry about the greater ramifications ...easier to just carry on if they can and worry about it later.

No doubt since the factory has now been forced to shutdown they will still be paid to do what they should have done.

Coeus

pgj2015 wrote: »

very hard to blame her in fairness. people are sick of the lockdowns and don't agree with this one. we get punished but let the planes full of americans keep coming, joke.

This! We are absolutely going on our staycation the week after next. If tourists from abroad can come into the country unvetted there is no way we're losing a penny of our hard earned money by not going!

Wolf359f

Coeus wrote: »

This! We are absolutely going on our staycation the week after next. If tourists from abroad can come into the country unvetted there is no way we're losing a penny of our hard earned money by not going!

Let's hope they issue passenger locator forms at the border.
I don't see any issue with people travelling from LOK elsewhere in Ireland, as long as they restrict their movements for 14 days like all international travelers here.
But once the laws are in place, there's very little the government can do with international travelers, but for Irish people, within Ireland, they could be penalized, like yourself, while international travelers aren't, that's not right at all.
At the very least they should be offering refunds on any staycations within Ireland, that's just not fair at all. Unfair on yourself and the hotel you booked.

GT89

copeyhagen wrote: »

not being a dick, but is there any legal way they could stop them travelling outside their County?!

its not a law?!

By car and there'll may be roadblocks but by bus or train and you'll be less likely to experience checks

road_high

pennydreadful wrote: »

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

Hope she has a great holiday and enjoys every minute.

facehugger99

pennydreadful wrote: »

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

You need to finger-wag harder at her.

thelad95

mandrake04 wrote: »

Also you have to factor in there are 100,000 arrivals per week at Dublin Airport 15K are from green list countries, 28K are from the UK and the other 43K are from non-green list countries. There will be always fresh outbreaks from now on in.

Spains cases has more or less doubled in the last week, tripled in the last 2-3 weeks and defnitely an up tick in France.

This is why our darling politicians need to get their heads around the fact that many European countries have been testing all or a sample of incoming passengers since April in some cases. We have unutilised testing capacity every day that should be re-directed to the airport.

Imagine testing people who have just done the riskiest imaginable thing in a pandemic by sitting in a pressurized metal container for hours on end with no social distancing and fellow passengers who may or may not wear a mask? What a mad idea!

VinLieger

copeyhagen wrote: »

not being a dick, but is there any legal way they could stop them travelling outside their County?!

its not a law?!

Probably similar stuff to when all the Dubs tried to head to wicklow and Wexford at Easter, get told to turn your car around.


Ill be traveling through all 3 counties today so gonna be very curious to see if theres any visible gardai presence and what they are actually doing.

average_runner

pennydreadful wrote: »

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

Wexford is next on the list for lockdown. Down there now and people very annoyed with people outside the county

average_runner

pgj2015 wrote: »

very hard to blame her in fairness. people are sick of the lockdowns and don't agree with this one. we get punished but let the planes full of americans keep coming, joke.

Can you back up the statement of planes full?

Americans love temple bar but yet it's close.
Heard no American accents in the phoenix park over the last month.

Patrick2010

How on earth was there no testing center set up in a county the size of Kildare?!
Are they going to put checkpoints on the n7 now?
Are all those living in Naas and working in Dublin now going to signing on for the furlough payment next week.
I wouldn’t be Leo’s biggest fan but at least he had the balls to override Nephet, Martin just does whatever they say.

VinLieger

pennydreadful wrote: »

Yep. Sister booked to go to Wexford and Belfast over the next 10 days, we live in Kildare and she says she's going. Will not listen to reason.

Tbh if it was my sister id report her, but im a harsh prick

average_runner

Patrick2010 wrote: »

How on earth was there no testing center set up in a county the size of Kildare?!
Are they going to put checkpoints on the n7 now?
Are all those living in Naas and working in Dublin now going to signing on for the furlough payment next week.
I wouldn’t be Leo’s biggest fan but at least he had the balls to override Nephet, Martin just does whatever they say.

Those working in dublin can still go to work.

Trampas

VinLieger wrote: »

Probably similar stuff to when all the Dubs tried to head to wicklow and Wexford at Easter, get told to turn your car around.


Ill be traveling through all 3 counties today so gonna be very curious to see if theres any visible gardai presence and what they are actually doing.

But should the Gardaí be in the other surrounding counties. You’re free to travel within their county so pointless. Will there be checkpoints set up on roads to catch the random car. I could be in Tipperary in holidays since yesterday am I not freely allowed continue on if from the 3 counties?


Did mehole use the 3 counties to keep everywhere as is then lockdoen the 3 counties. When really the others ones should move on?

zerosugarbuzz

The initial lockdown was supposed to be about flattening the curve so the hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed.
The trend towards wiping out the virus is not realistic. This could be going on for years unless there is a total change of tactics and we approach this like Sweden. Herd immunity is the only solution. Most people get mild or no symptoms. The whole thing is blown out of proportion.

mandrake04

thelad95 wrote: »

This is why our darling politicians need to get their heads around the fact that many European countries have been testing all or a sample of incoming passengers since April in some cases. We have unutilised testing capacity every day that should be re-directed to the airport.

Imagine testing people who have just done the riskiest imaginable thing in a pandemic by sitting in a pressurized metal container for hours on end with no social distancing and fellow passengers who may or may not wear a mask? What a mad idea!

That's where the flaw is, you could be infected for up to 3-4 days before it will show up on a test. You have a traveler present a clear test and it gives a false sense of security that they don't have the virus but that is not 100% and they are reaping around infecting the country.

And then you get into the argument who pays for the test? which at minimum is around ‎€70

Ireland has already limited testing as it is, it still relies on German labs.

average_runner

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

The initial lockdown was supposed to be about flattening the curve so the hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed.
The trend towards wiping out the virus is not realistic. This could be going on for years unless there is a total change of tactics and we approach this like Sweden. Herd immunity is the only solution. Most people get mild or no symptoms. The whole thing is blown out of proportion.

And there is no evidence of herd immunity and the virus has mutated a few times.

They are doing local lockdown to stop us ending up like last march, but it will fail as too many selfish pr*cks in Ireland

average_runner

mandrake04 wrote: »

That's where the flaw is, you could be infected for up to 3-4 days before it will show up on a test. You have a traveler present a clear test and it gives a false sense of security that they don't have the virus but that is not 100% and they are reaping around infecting the country.

And then you get into the argument who pays for the test? which at minimum is around ‎€70

Ireland has already limited testing as it is, it still relies on German labs.

And also considering europe is a mess right now even with that testing.

Dtp1979

mandrake04 wrote: »

That's where the flaw is, you could be infected for up to 3-4 days before it will show up on a test. You have a traveler present a clear test and it gives a false sense of security that they don't have the virus but that is not 100% and they are reaping around infecting the country.

And then you get into the argument who pays for the test? which at minimum is around ‎€70

Ireland has already limited testing as it is, it still relies on German labs.

Hold on, we have to PAY for tests????

TheValeyard

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

The initial lockdown was supposed to be about flattening the curve so the hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed.
The trend towards wiping out the virus is not realistic. This could be going on for years unless there is a total change of tactics and we approach this like Sweden. Herd immunity is the only solution. Most people get mild or no symptoms. The whole thing is blown out of proportion.

Yeah, hasnt exactly gone well in Sweden. Will be an investigation at some stage into their approach. 5500 deaths in a population of 10million. Not exactly A grade material.

zerosugarbuzz

average_runner wrote: »

And there is no evidence of herd immunity and the virus has mutated a few times.

They are doing local lockdown to stop us ending up like last march, but it will fail as too many selfish pr*cks in Ireland

It’s not selfish to want to earn a living. The elderly and other vulnerable people should be protected and the rest of us should just get on with life. Lives are being destroyed by the reaction to this virus.

average_runner

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

It’s not selfish to want to earn a living. The elderly and other vulnerable people should be protected and the rest of us should just get on with life. Lives are being destroyed by the reaction to this virus.

We cant protect the elderly if we are spreading the virus. People who look after the elderly have to get food for them, get them to doc appointments etc, so we should not spread it.

If we had all follow the guidelines then we be earning a living

zerosugarbuzz

TheValeyard wrote: »

Yeah, hasnt exactly gone well in Sweden. Will be an investigation at some stage into their approach. 5500 deaths in a population of 10million. Not exactly A grade material.

5000 of whom were over 70 and the vast majority of whom were over 80 years old. I did say protect the elderly and vulnerable. We can’t keep this up for years, we will run out of money, simples.

Cilldara_2000

You'd have to be a bit sore about this. Meat factories causing a huge issue. Anyone with half a brain could have pointed this out months ago and many people did including the current Taoiseach when he was in "opposition". No action taken and the billionaire beef barons continue to line their pockets on the back of taxpayer subsidies to farmers and cheap imported labour. Now ordinary workers pay the price and likely to do so for longer than just the currently stated two weeks.

tabby aspreme

In their statement, O Brien foods mention that a private provider, and the HSE were used for testing, and they were still awaiting the results of 40 tests, what is our test capacity currently

average_runner

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

5000 of whom were over 70 and the vast majority of whom were over 80 years old. I did say protect the elderly and vulnerable. We can’t keep this up for years, we will run out of money, simples.

But how do you protect the people that look after the elderly? The chain is massive

gmisk

I am getting train from Dublin to cork today....I am wandering will people be able to get on at all stops?

el Fenomeno

gmisk wrote: »

I am getting train from Dublin to cork today....I am wandering will people be able to get on at all stops?

Yes I assume so. People are still allowed leave these counties for essential reasons so they are allowed on public transport.

pennydreadful

Patrick2010 wrote: »

How on earth was there no testing center set up in a county the size of Kildare?!
Are they going to put checkpoints on the n7 now?
Are all those living in Naas and working in Dublin now going to signing on for the furlough payment next week.
I wouldn’t be Leo’s biggest fan but at least he had the balls to override Nephet, Martin just does whatever they say.

I think there was a testing centre in Kildare, located in Newbridge and one for Laois just over the border in Emo. They were closed when the cases decreased but they will have to reopen them, can't expect people to travel to Dublin for testing in local lockdown.

Gaoth Laidir

Someone I know from North Kildare is being sent for a test today and it's in the Aviva.

Newbie20

I have very much played by the rules throughout the whole coronavirus but I’m angry over this. If the government had a clear vision of what they wanted to achieve and did everything in the interest of keeping Covid to a minimum then I’m sure people would be on board. However, the double standards have been a joke at this stage.

So if you live in Offaly you can’t travel anywhere because there is a single factory that has had a recent outbreak. But if you are from Texas, where they have had nearly half a million cases, then no problem, come over and move around wherever the hell you like. And before anyone says that they have to isolate for 14 days, they aren’t doing it and it’s not being enforced. If an American is coming over for a 2 or 3 week holiday they should be sent straight back, they are basically telling you there and then at the airport that they aren't going to isolate.

Now I will restrict my movements and stay in the county for the most part, as I have done throughout, but if they think I’m not going to visit my family in another county with my newborn baby (this would be us going to my parents house and staying there for a couple of days so they can see the child, not going out and about at all) then they can go and get ****ed. Meanwhile the horse racing crowd move freely into Kildare from England or wherever. The whole thing is a joke. Either apply the same rules to tourists as to Irish people or forget the whole thing. The goodwill is gone at this stage because of it.

giveitholly

Newbie20 wrote: »

I have very much played by the rules throughout the whole coronavirus but I’m angry over this. If the government had a clear vision of what they wanted to achieve and did everything in the interest of keeping Covid to a minimum then I’m sure people would be on board. However, the double standards have been a joke at this stage.

So if you live in Offaly you can’t travel anywhere because there is a single factory that has had a recent outbreak. But if you are from Texas, where they have had nearly half a million cases, then no problem, come over and move around wherever the hell you like. And before anyone says that they have to isolate for 14 days, they aren’t doing it and it’s not being enforced. If an American is coming over for a 2 or 3 week holiday they should be sent straight back, they are basically telling you there and then at the airport that they aren't going to isolate.

Now I will restrict my movements and stay in the county for the most part, as I have done throughout, but if they think I’m not going to visit my family in another county with my newborn baby (this would be us going to my parents house and staying there for a couple of days so they can see the child, not going out and about at all) then they can go and get ****ed. Meanwhile the horse racing crowd move freely into Kildare from England or wherever. The whole thing is a joke. Either apply the same rules to tourists as to Irish people or forget the whole thing. The goodwill is gone at this stage because of it.

Well said,lot of ordinary folk who abided by the rules from day one are sick to the teeth of it. This is what you get rewarded for doing everything right,Why didn't the government set up a group to monitor and inspect the meat plants,everyone knew the potential for them to be hot spots for the disease

Summer2020

Newbie20 wrote: »

I have very much played by the rules throughout the whole coronavirus but I’m angry over this. If the government had a clear vision of what they wanted to achieve and did everything in the interest of keeping Covid to a minimum then I’m sure people would be on board. However, the double standards have been a joke at this stage.

So if you live in Offaly you can’t travel anywhere because there is a single factory that has had a recent outbreak. But if you are from Texas, where they have had nearly half a million cases, then no problem, come over and move around wherever the hell you like. And before anyone says that they have to isolate for 14 days, they aren’t doing it and it’s not being enforced. If an American is coming over for a 2 or 3 week holiday they should be sent straight back, they are basically telling you there and then at the airport that they aren't going to isolate.

Now I will restrict my movements and stay in the county for the most part, as I have done throughout, but if they think I’m not going to visit my family in another county with my newborn baby (this would be us going to my parents house and staying there for a couple of days so they can see the child, not going out and about at all) then they can go and get ****ed. Meanwhile the horse racing crowd move freely into Kildare from England or wherever. The whole thing is a joke. Either apply the same rules to tourists as to Irish people or forget the whole thing. The goodwill is gone at this stage because of it.

Well said. Expecting people to stay in their own counties while yanks and uk residents whose own countries are riddled with the virus are free to fly in and tour the country is a disgrace. People won’t abide by it.

eire2go

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

You'd have to be a bit sore about this. Meat factories causing a huge issue. Anyone with half a brain could have pointed this out months ago and many people did including the current Taoiseach when he was in "opposition". No action taken and the billionaire beef barons continue to line their pockets on the back of taxpayer subsidies to farmers and cheap imported labour. Now ordinary workers pay the price and likely to do so for longer than just the currently stated two weeks.

Exactly , and no accountability from those whose inaction allowed the situation develop in the meat factories, it’s was like this with the care home and direct provision centres, lots of talk after the virus ran rampant but insufficient preventive action and no one will be accountable.

Yes, the ppl in the counties will do what is asked if them but it is very unfair to the tens of thousands who did what was asked if them, especially those who did so at great personal cost, including me!

Mister Vain

Patrick2010 wrote: »

How on earth was there no testing center set up in a county the size of Kildare?!
Are they going to put checkpoints on the n7 now?
Are all those living in Naas and working in Dublin now going to signing on for the furlough payment next week.
I wouldn’t be Leo’s biggest fan but at least he had the balls to override Nephet, Martin just does whatever they say.

They actually had a test centre in Mondello park. I don't know if there will be checkpoints. I hope not.

thelad95

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

It’s not selfish to want to earn a living. The elderly and other vulnerable people should be protected and the rest of us should just get on with life. Lives are being destroyed by the reaction to this virus.

Mr buzz, this was the kind of rhetoric that was being spewed out left right and centre last March. Our very near neighbours pretty much adopted this approach, until hospitals began to become overwhelmed and healthcare workers dying ticked over the hundred mark.

It's particularly frightening that of the 80 workers tested in one factory, nearly all were asymptomatic by the sounds of it. Had this happened back in March, the factory would have been advised by the HSE to continue operating as normal and only workers with symptoms should be tested or told to stay at home. As a case study, it's a perfect example of how widespread the virus actually was back in March.

Darc19

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

You'd have to be a bit sore about this. Meat factories causing a huge issue. Anyone with half a brain could have pointed this out months ago and many people did including the current Taoiseach when he was in "opposition". No action taken and the billionaire beef barons continue to line their pockets on the back of taxpayer subsidies to farmers and cheap imported labour. Now ordinary workers pay the price and likely to do so for longer than just the currently stated two weeks.

With this seemingly "informative" post, can you please tell us which meat factory you have visited in the last few weeks and what you actually saw there

You claim "anyone with half a brain" would have known.

But you utterly fail to provide information to back up your rubbish which is very much a jump on the bandwagon post based on rubbish.


Meat factories have been a particular target of the hse. Each and every one of them have had visits and given strict protocols in relation to operating. They have taken it seriously, but unfortunately 3 clusters came about.

The reason why it is a vulnerable space is due to how they operate. It's noisy, it's busy and unfortunately many workers don't have a first language of English so some issues are not as understood as they could be. There are screens between workers (certainly in Kildare chilling) and plenty of training has been given.


Then you throw the old "they get subsidies" bullsh1t out and that's where you lose most people's attention as it just becomes a whining post.

You'd be the first to whine about the price if a chicken was €7.

It's the subsidies that allow you buy a chicken for under a fiver.


And of course, like any uninformed person, the "millionaire beef baron" phrase is used.
O'Briens foods is a family company, they do well, but not excessively and their business is pork.
Irish dog foods is part of Queallys who put huge money into local causes and also do well, but not excessively and Kildare chilling is a relatively small operation.

Sort of smashes your argument

zerosugarbuzz

average_runner wrote: »

But how do you protect the people that look after the elderly? The chain is massive

You do your best, use PPE, hand hygiene etc. Same as in flu season. Life must go on, everything has to be paid for and sooner is better than later.

LilyShame

Agree with all the upset ppl on this thread. What a nightmare.

For the finger wagging stay cation sister shamer: and anyone else planning to play that card.

Just stop it now.
Don't be an eejit!!

We had all this on the international travel thread. Let's not go there again..

zerosugarbuzz

Darc19 wrote: »

With this seemingly "informative" post, can you please tell us which meat factory you have visited in the last few weeks and what you actually saw there

You claim "anyone with half a brain" would have known.

But you utterly fail to provide information to back up your rubbish which is very much a jump on the bandwagon post based on rubbish.


Meat factories have been a particular target of the hse. Each and every one of them have had visits and given strict protocols in relation to operating. They have taken it seriously, but unfortunately 3 clusters came about.

The reason why it is a vulnerable space is due to how they operate. It's noisy, it's busy and unfortunately many workers don't have a first language of English so some issues are not as understood as they could be. There are screens between workers (certainly in Kildare chilling) and plenty of training has been given.


Then you throw the old "they get subsidies" bullsh1t out and that's where you lose most people's attention as it just becomes a whining post.

You'd be the first to whine about the price if a chicken was €7.

It's the subsidies that allow you buy a chicken for under a fiver.

A chicken should be AT LEAST €7, that’s if you want a properly reared chicken and not some chemically induced look alike.