cabin in neighbours garden

BryanF

Evangeline Fast Pony wrote: »

where can i get alist of the building regulations that apply to a living in/playing in space?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2001/si/600/made/en/print#sched2

Sheep breeder

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

I know that here in Wexford, any planning complaint must be in writing, on a prescribed form that you download from the council website or pick up from one of the council offices. It must include your name, address, and phone number, and there's a section too for where you have to outline how you're affected by the thing you're complaining about.

I presume it's to weed out frivolous or vexatious complaints. Don't know if it's the same with other councils, though.

Correct you have to put in writing before they will act.

runawaybishop

Darc19 wrote: »

Op says it's a cabin. 29sqm gross would be about 25sqm net.

I've a large basic garden shed. It's 16'x10' 2". That's a gross 15.1 sqm.
The net internal space is 13.53 sqm

So add about 4cm additional wall thickness and a 29sqm gross is under 25sqm net internal

It's a log cabin though, not a block shed. I would be surprised if the internal space is 25 or less.

Darc19

runawaybishop wrote: »

It's a log cabin though, not a block shed. I would be surprised if the internal space is 25 or less.

Mine is a bog standard slatted wooden shed for storing tools and unused stuff from the aldi middle aisle

No insulation, felted roof, as bog standard as they come and the net internal area is 10% less than the gross external size.

Uncle Pierre

Evangeline Fast Pony wrote: »

is the law not enforced even if one is not affected?

I don't know. I presume you could put something like "am not directly affected, but am concerned at breach of regulations" and they'd still at least come to have a look at it.

Was never actually involved in any such thing myself. The only reason I know what I said above is that last year, I looked into what would be involved if I had to go that way myself. Our own neighbour was talking about doing something which may or may not have been within the guidelines, and which my wife had concerns about.

But being good honest decent country folk (!), we sorted it out ourselves one sunny evening, over a few cans of beer on the patio, and all's good. Pity it doesn't happen that way in so many other cases. It really is the best solution.

slipperyox

A building over 25sqm needs a fire cert i believe.

Another option is to call the fire officer, you could be doing them a great favor if its going to be inhabited.

Gumbo

slipperyox wrote: »

A building over 25sqm needs a fire cert i believe.

Incorrect.

slipperyox wrote: »

Another option is to call the fire officer, you could be doing them a great favor if its going to be inhabited.

Local Fire Prevention Officer wont get involved in single family Residential units.

*unless overcrowding is an issue.

maestroamado

I was courious as to how this worked out as interesting situation...

seamus

maestroamado wrote: »

I was courious as to how this worked out as interesting situation...

This is going to become a more and more common issue, it would probably be worth a sticky on the forum with basic rules around sheds/garden rooms and what does and doesn't require planning.

prionnsias

I was considering building a log cabin in my garden that would be 24m2. There is an existing shed in the garden that was built long before we bought the house. Would the existing shed in the garden count towards the 25m2 and push us over the 25m2 exemption for planning permission?

helimachoptor

prionnsias wrote: »

I was considering building a log cabin in my garden that would be 24m2. There is an existing shed in the garden that was built long before we bought the house. Would the existing shed in the garden count towards the 25m2 and push us over the 25m2 exemption for planning permission?

Stricly yes is the answer I think but in reality I can't see any neighbour objecting.

I had one built recently(pictures posted on boards) and we had the usual garden shed aswell, ours is 25 sq M, it's an office, spoke with neighbours etc. Gardens are big 500sq M or so, so even though we can see the neighbours back of house we can't see anything really.

Gumbo

prionnsias wrote: »

I was considering building a log cabin in my garden that would be 24m2. There is an existing shed in the garden that was built long before we bought the house. Would the existing shed in the garden count towards the 25m2 and push us over the 25m2 exemption for planning permission?

Yes. You have to add the area of both.
Just apply for planning for the additional shed and be done with it. There’s no limit to the amount of sheds once it’s reasonable.

Is applying for planning not a long, drawn out process, though, that costs money and, more importantly, holds up your plans for months on end?

Gumbo

Deleted User wrote: »

Is applying for planning not a long, drawn out process, though, that costs money and, more importantly, holds up your plans for months on end?

Standard process.
8 weeks to get a decision.
4 week appeal period.
Then build (all going well).

Everything costs money if you can’t do the same job yourself. If you think this is long and expensive, wait to see the time and costs associated with court should you get to enforcement proceedings or indeed having to remove the structure after paying to erect.

prionnsias

Probably too late to apply for planning now as I have ordered the cabin paid deposit and it should be built in about 8 weeks. I’ll hope for the best and apply for retention if there is an issue.

Uncle Pierre

Obviously I don't know where you are, what size your garden is, what you or neighbours can see from gardens or houses, how close your neighbours are, or what your relationship with them is like, but I'd advise that there's still time then to talk to them before work starts.

It would be the neighbourly thing to do to explain what you're planning and see if they have any concerns and what you can do to address them, rather than just having them look out one day and see construction starting. Because you can be sure that if they do have concerns, they'll be a lot harder to deal with then.

I won't go into the exact details of our own neighbour's thing that I mentioned above, but it's well above the 25 sq. metre exemption limit. But after listening to my wife's concerns, they built it on a different part of their site to where they'd originally planned, and put in some mature trees for screening purposes. If they hadn't done that, I daresay we'd have been on to the Council all right because of the strength of my wife's feelings about it, and then they'd have had far bigger issues.

So, there was a compromise solution agreed when the people with the plan spoke to the neighbours first, instead of just going ahead and hoping for the best. The same thing might work out for yourself, instead of being left wondering or having to deal with it at a later stage.

prionnsias

To be honest I will mention it to my neighbours on one side but probably not the other as I don’t want them to feel that they have any say in whether I build it or not. My garden is absolutely huge and it will have no affect on any of the neighbours either side. It is likely if I had sought planning I would have got it but it never occurred it me until after I ordered the cabin.

maestroamado

Since the OP disappeared it may have being info gathering excercise...