Crimes that have stayed with you for years

rob316

smelly sock wrote: »

Wayne O'Donoghue was the fella who killed little Robert Holohan and then joined the search. Knowing full well he had left hos body in a ditch to rot.

He has been out for years.

Wrong.

He didn't mean to kill him though, he was heavy handed with the kid he panicked and made it worse. He got a very light sentence but it was a sad case for all involved.

smelly sock

rob316 wrote: »

He didn't mean to kill him though, he was heavy handed with the kid he panicked and made it worse. He got a very light sentence but it was a sad case for all involved.

He threw his body in a ditch and hid the fact for days even joining the search.

He got 3 years.

That's wrong. That's not a fit punishment for the crime.

Pelezico

The best of them all is the farmer in Tipperary.

That had us all enthralled.

freshpopcorn

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Not sure about what you are referring to, a link would be good.

In fairness, most of this stuff is caused by men. Remember the murder of an entire family in Cavan I think, by the husband. He was exhumed in the end and buried elsewhere. And the bloke who killed his two sons and drove away with them.

It is easy to forget all these things, and the common denominator is men, much as I wish it were otherwise.

This is the case.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/mother-of-three-mcginley-children-to-appear-in-court-1.4154457

rob316

smelly sock wrote: »

He threw his body in a ditch and hid the fact for days even joining the search.

He got 3 years.

That's wrong. That's not a fit punishment for the crime.

They were friends, the kid was throwing stones at his car, he grabbed by the neck, held him too long and he died. He never meant to kill him it was an accident, he panicked and made a terrible mistake.

I don't think it fits the thread title though.

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

Literally a female robert hawe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-51302107


The fathers speech at the funeral,would shake even the hardest person

I know, it was heart wrenching altogether. Don't know how the Dad will cope at all.

But my point still stands. Women who kill their children is a very rare statistic compared to men who do the same and kill their spouses/partners also. Awful.

The maternal instinct is something else. When it breaks down the mother is usually ill.

Wonder if there is such a thing as a Paternal Instinct, or is it just control.

smelly sock

rob316 wrote: »

They were friends, the kid was throwing stones at his car, he grabbed by the neck, held him too long and he died. He never meant to kill him it was an accident, he panicked and made a terrible mistake.

I don't think it fits the thread title though.

I think it does. It was shocking at the time and ill bever forget his poor mother. He tried to get away with it. Simple as that. Some leading experts in their field have go on to say that they think oDonoghue amd the crime was cold and calculated and he was in full control at the time.

Spanish Eyes

Pelezico wrote: »

The best of them all is the farmer in Tipperary.

That had us all enthralled.

Yes it was a tragic case, but the surrounding information about it was jaw dropping. Imagine that, in rural Ireland all the same!

Mad stuff, with due respect to the deceased person of course.

ScallionAyter

The attack on Guido Nasi.

The bald little rhodent who hit him with a bottle is on Facebook, playing some Thug Life game incessantly and a 'only god can judge me' banner on one of his photos.

Spanish Eyes

The courts are full of this. There is only so much we can remember now, but the families will live with these atrocities forever, together with a light enough sentence for the perpetrators which is in general par for the course.

I honestly do not know how I personally would cope with someone who is released after a couple of years having murdered my loved one. That must be devastating for victim's families.

freshpopcorn

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Yes it was a tragic case, but the surrounding information about it was jaw dropping. Imagine that, in rural Ireland all the same!

Mad stuff, with due respect to the deceased person of course.

When I was at college the guy was missing and the gossip about it was massive from the Tipp people.

iamstop

Anyone remember the Vicki Whelan case?

She worked at one of the chippers in Rathfarnham Village. I used to know her to see.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+SHOT+SLEEPING+FRANCO%3B+Girl+lodger+of+15+confessed+but+wife+was...-a060677724

That's the only account of what happened I can find.

Pelezico

The murder of Patricia Furlong by Vinnie Connell at a festival.

Noeleff

Ebba Aekerlund.
My own child was the same age as Ebba at the time. And only had partial hearing same as Ebba. That's why Ebba didn't hear or jump out of the way of the truck. I won't post links or pictures of Ebba cut in half by the truck tyre. It's too terrible because you can see Ebbas breakfast, sjmple bread with cucumber, that came out of her tummy lying on the street. that was cut in half.
The media cover up was equally if not more offensive.

Pelezico

The GUBU murder was remarkable with the murderer hiding out in the AG's house.

Malcolm McArthur

Hangdogroad

ScallionAyter wrote: »

The attack on Guido Nasi.

The bald little rhodent who hit him with a bottle is on Facebook, playing some Thug Life game incessantly and a 'only god can judge me' banner on one of his photos.

I remember from the time of the trial seeing a picture of him in one of the papers coming out of court laughing and giving some kind of thumbs up symbol to off picture scrotes (probably family or "supporters"). Utter pond life.

Sultan of Bling

Itssoeasy wrote:

Well the James burger one because I was eight years old and my youngest brother was born the day before or after it happened so I have a vivid memory of that time. I mean the awfulness of it was because James bulger was really young and also the two lads who killed him weren't that much older than me. I think one of the two has somewhat kept his head down since he was released but the other lad seems to be a mess and was arrested for child porn.

At the time of the trial robert thompson was seen as the instigator and Jon venables was seen as the more "vulnerable".

However it apoears thompson has not reoffended unlike venables.

Sultan of Bling

rob316 wrote:

He didn't mean to kill him though, he was heavy handed with the kid he panicked and made it worse. He got a very light sentence but it was a sad case for all involved.

Didn't Robert's mother make allegations in her victim impact statement of o donoghues semen being found on the body?

leahyl

The James Bulger case really stuck with me - just recently read his mother’s book, it’s heartbreaking.

Rachel O’ Reilly - poor girl had a horrific death at the hands of that bastard.

The Graham Dwyer case - just sick.

All the familicides, as they call them, are just horrible - there’s been far too many in Ireland. Remember the one of the couple and their 3 children in Wexford - the father had picked out their coffins and all the week before.

The Alan Hawe case was sickening - such violence.

The missing person cases are intriguing really; I guess we assume that some sort of crime has been committed, it isn’t always the case, sometimes I think people just want to go missing or maybe take their own lives.
There’s a very strange case of a couple in their 60’s from Fermoy who went missing without a trace in 1991 and were never found - it’s very sad really for their family; their car was gone but everything else was left, no travel documents taken or anything. Car has never been found.

Spanish Eyes

freshpopcorn wrote: »

When I was at college the guy was missing and the gossip about it was massive from the Tipp people.

I suppose locally it is a big issue, but elsewhere it is forgotten now.

With due respect to the deceased person it had every element of jealousy or whatever word you would ascribe to it.

All forgotten now. Sad isn't it when you think about it.

Sultan of Bling

Pelezico wrote:

The best of them all is the farmer in Tipperary.

Pelezico wrote:

That had us all enthralled.

What happened here?

Spanish Eyes

Pelezico wrote: »

The GUBU murder was remarkable with the murderer hiding out in the AG's house.

Malcolm McArthur

Yep, that was a strange one for sure.

TheW1zard

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

What happened here?

Was that the love triangle silage pit one?

IAMAMORON

The toolbox killers in California. Phucking disgusting animals.

They recorded torturing their victims( audio recordings), people left the court room vomiting when the recordings were replayed in court.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Bittaker_and_Roy_Norris

Don't bother reading or looking into these bastards if you get queasy, not worth it.

Pelezico

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

What happened here?

The farmer murdered his lovers lover and buried the body in a slurry pit.

It had the whole country talking. We loved the daily updates.

Man Vs ManUre

The killings by Mark Nash in 1997 were very weird and random. So he and his girlfriend take a trip to rural Roscommon where her sister lived with her young husband, all in their late 20s. They spend the evening drinking spirits and smoking marijuana. Later that night Nash is sick, then after he attacks the 2 women in an upstairs bedroom. Then he goes downstairs, where the husband is asleep on the sofa. Nash takes a knife from the kitchen and stabs him multiple times. All while Nash and his bird had 2 young kids with them upstairs sleeping. He then takes off on a bike in the middle of the night and starts cycling to Galway. His girlfriend just about survives but the other 2 die, she raises the alarm and he is caught the next day.
Years later or sometime while in custody, he admits to carrying out a random killing of 2 elderly women in Dublin. He breaks into a house or something after another drinking session, and decides to kill the 2 defenceless old women in the house. I think he even says that they were sleeping and the voices in his head made him do it.
I heard he is also suspected of a killing in Huddersfield, England while he was living there.

Spanish Eyes

Pelezico wrote: »

The farmer murdered his lovers lover and buried the body in a slurry pit.

It had the whole country talking. We loved the daily updates.

To be fair the names are totally forgotten now, well at least for me. Just goes to show doesn't it.

Can anyone name them without googling? I doubt it, TBH

Pelezico

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

To be fair the names are totally forgotten now, well at least for me. Just goes to show doesn't it.

Can anyone name them without googling? I doubt it, TBH

It was entertainment for the masses.

Sultan of Bling

TheW1zard wrote:

Was that the love triangle silage pit one?

Pelezico wrote:

The farmer murdered his lovers lover and buried the body in a slurry pit.

Pelezico wrote:

It had the whole country talking. We loved the daily updates.

Ah yes i remember now.

Spanish Eyes

All male perps again. Can you blame me for this thought?

TheW1zard

The maddie one was good

Sultan of Bling

Deirdre cowley.

She was missing for two years after being taken by her father. When the police located them he murdered her and took his own life.

Chilling.

Sultan of Bling

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

Ah yes i remember now.

How can anyone forget Mr Moonlight

Man Vs ManUre

Aileen Wournos is one of the very few women who kill. Even Myra Hindley and Rose West probably wouldn’t have done what they did had there not been a male ringleader. Wournos just really hated men.

Mad_maxx

coinop wrote: »

Channon Gail Christian, aged 21, and Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., aged 23, were from Knoxville, Tennessee. They were kidnapped on the evening of January 6, 2007, when Christian's vehicle was carjacked, and taken to a rental house, where both of them were raped, tortured, and murdered.



Newsom's body was discovered near a set of nearby railroad tracks. He had been bound, blindfolded, gagged, and stripped naked from the waist down. He had been shot in the back of the head, neck, and back, and his body had been set on fire.

Christian died after hours of torture, sustaining traumatic brain injuries and suffering injuries to her vagina, anus, and mouth due to repeated sexual assault. Before killing her, in an effort to remove DNA evidence, her attackers poured bleach down her throat and scrubbed her body with it. She was bound with curtains and strips of bedding, with her face covered with a trash bag and her body stashed in five large trash bags. These were placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets and garbage from Wendy's. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Christian slowly suffocated to death.

Four males and one female were arrested, charged, and convicted in the case, four of whom had multiple prior felony convictions.



What crime cases were so horrible that they have stuck in your mind years after reading about them?

First time I've heard of that case, makes me realise the death penalty is sometimes justifiable

Spanish Eyes

So many that we have forgotten about, but I doubt their families have. RIP to all of them.

Hangdogroad

iamstop wrote: »

Anyone remember the Vicki Whelan case?

She worked at one of the chippers in Rathfarnham Village. I used to know her to see.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+SHOT+SLEEPING+FRANCO%3B+Girl+lodger+of+15+confessed+but+wife+was...-a060677724

That's the only account of what happened I can find.

Remember it well but the name Vicki Whelan wouldn't resonate with many as she wasn't named during the trial and the main media frenzy was over Saccos wife who also stood trial and was acquited. She was a good looking woman and the cameras couldn't get enough of her.

Sultan of Bling

Man Vs ManUre wrote:

Aileen Wournos is one of the very few women who kill. Even Myra Hindley and Rose West probably wouldn’t have done what they did had there not been a male ringleader. Wournos just really hated men.

Joanna dennehy would also be a recent example.

Man Vs ManUre

The scissor sisters, can’t believe nobody has mentioned that. Or maybe they have. I often pass that park in Tallaght where she buried his head. It must be an awful gruesome, smelly and messy job to have to dismember a big human body.

Hangdogroad

Karen Walsh was one recent- ish case by a woman that stands out. She was that chemist who battered an elderly woman to death with a crucifix.

Itssoeasy

I see the sandy hook shootings were mentioned. That's stuck with me also because of the fact that America cares more about an amendment to their constitution than young kids who had done nothing to deserve getting killed. I mean I shouldn't have been shocked given what we knew about guns in America but that still shocked me. I mean hungerford, dunblane, port Arthur were mass shootings in the UK(the first two) and Australia and in both cases those counties reacted. I know I got off topic there but now mass shootings in America don't stick with me as much as they should.

Lundstram

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/woman-gets-suspended-sentence-for-killing-husband-1.642265

I remember this one well, just up the road from me. Woman beat her husband over the head with a hammer and he died. She served no time in prison. If the roles were reversed, there would've been uproar.

In Ireland women's crimes aren't reported much, or are glossed over for some reason. They get significantly more lenient sentences also.

chicorytip

The killing of Sophie Toscan Du Plantier. Shocking circumstances, a chief suspect but no nearer being solved after twenty four years.
Raoinid Murray. Another unsolved mystery.
Elaine O' Hara murder. Utterly horrific.
The Mc Arthur murders. Why was he never charged with the murder of Donal Dunne?
The killing of Grace Livingstone in Malahide. Her husband was heavily suspected but nobody has ever been charged.

Anonposter2020

For me it's the torture and murder of baby Brianna Lopez. Her story torments me.

BubbleBuddy

Jodi Arias planned and murdered her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander in Arizona in 2008. The gruesome and brutal manner in which she killed him - in the shower: shot, nearly decapitated, stabbed 27 times. The endless lies throughout the trial and re-abuse of the victim. The case went on for years.

smelly sock

This one also sticks. Hortible woman.

murder trial has heard a doctor admit to stabbing her three-year-old son to death in their south Dublin home, then telling gardaí that "a power" had made her go to a drawer and remove a knife.

The Central Criminal Court wast told that Omar Omran was stabbed 20 times, mainly to the trunk of his body. Four stab wounds had penetrated his lungs and heart, severing a vital artery, the court heard.

During the opening of the trial of Maha Al Adheem, prosecuting counsel told the court that psychiatrists for both the prosecution and defence agree the accused fulfils the criteria of not guilty by reason of insanity in this case.

Ms Al Adheem (43), of Riverside, Poddle Park, Kimmage, Dublin 12, is charged with murdering Omar on July 10, 2017 at the same address. She has pleaded not guilty.

Prosecutor Michael Delaney said Ms Al Adheem spent the early part of her life in Kuwait, moving with her family to Iraq at the age of 15.

She studied medicine between 1994 and 2003 and qualified as a doctor in Iraq.

However, her studies were delayed in part as she was diagnosed with suffering from depression and schizophrenia in 1996.

Due to the war in Iraq, her family moved to Syria in 2006 and stayed there until 2010.

Ms Al Adheem came to Ireland in 2010 as part of an arranged marriage to a man called Khalid Omran, who was living in Dublin at the time.

It was not a happy marriage, the court was told, and they separated in May 2014, only a few months after their only child, Omar, was born.

Their son had developmental delay and was non-verbal, Mr Delaney said. He was diagnosed with autism when he was just over three. "This all forms part of the background to the case," he indicated.

Although Ms Al Adheem qualified as a doctor she did not practise medicine in Ireland. In March 2017, a month after her son was diagnosed with autism, she was admitted to the psychiatric department of St James's Hospital with suicidal thoughts and detained for five days.

She was diagnosed with suffering from an "adjustment reaction", and the opinion was that she was under a considerable amount of stress as a lone parent who was having difficulty accessing services for her special needs son.

On the day of the killing, Mr Delaney said Dublin Fire Brigade got a 999 call from a woman at 6.40pm who stated that her baby was dead and then hung up.

The person who took the call phoned the woman back but she hung up again.

Paramedics were sent to the scene but were unable to get access to the accused's apartment on the second floor. They later used a sledgehammer to break the door.

Garda Diarmaid Kelly was the first person to enter the hallway where he saw the accused. She was observed putting her hands up and had blood on her clothing, said Mr Delaney, adding that she held her thigh as if she was injured.

It then became apparent that Omar's body, which had multiple chest stab wounds, was lying on a single bed in the bedroom.

Ms Al Adheem was taken to St James's Hospital where it was confirmed that her injuries were not serious, and she was transferred from A&E to the psychiatric part of the hospital where she remained until her discharge two days later.

Omar's body was removed from the apartment the following day, and a post mortem was conducted by Deputy State Pathologist Dr Linda Mulligan.

The court was told Dr Mulligan identified 20 stab wounds, mainly to the trunk. Four stab were significant as they had penetrated his lungs and heart, severing a vital artery. There were also signs of defensive injuries to his right hand.

The trial was due to resume later today before Ms Justice Eileen Creedon and a jury of nine men and three women. It is expected to last three days.

Mad_maxx

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Brendan O Donnell case back in 1994, I'm near the Clare border and he was arrested not to far from where I live.

The priest he killed was in our parish for a while but while his murder was terrible what O Donnell did to the mother and son was even worse.

My mother is from the area o donnell grew up,I've an uncle still living there who often gave lifts to
O donnell, he was never right but unfortunately people like him can't be incarcerated against their will anymore until tragedy strikes

He was a front page news story waiting to happen

Gregor Samsa

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

Didn't Robert's mother make allegations in her victim impact statement of o donoghues semen being found on the body?

There was traces of semen found on his body. It wasn't entered as evidence in the trial, and she did bring it up in her Victim Impact Statement.

However the semen was not Wayne O'Donoghue's, and that's why it wasn't brought up in evidence. O'Donoghue brought Robert's body into his house and placed him down on a mat in the bathroom before taking him back out to his car and disposing of him. The investigators seem to believe that the semen was from someone else that was not involved in the crimes, and had got on the bath mat before Robert's body was brought into the room. I'd say if you test any bath mat in a house with men living in it, there's a good chance you'll find some semen.

There was absolutely no evidence of a sexual motive or element to Robert's death - the semen was incidental to the the whole thing. I guess Majella Holohan didn't accept that, but if the prosecution had brought the semen into the trial, the trial would most likely have been aborted, as it wasn't that of the defendant.

Here's some details around the issues she raised in her statement: https://magill.ie/archive/semen-was-not-wayne-odonoghues-solictitor

It caused quite a controversy at the time, as usually someone can't just stand up in court and throw accusations and insinuations around without the person being given the opportunity to defend themselves. As a consequence of what she said in her Victim Impact Statement, the rules were changed so that it wouldn't happen again: https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-20016122.html

smelly sock

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

There was traces of semen found on his body. It wasn't entered as evidence in the trial, and she did bring it up in her Victim Impact Statement.

However the semen was not Wayne O'Donoghue's, and that's why it wasn't brought up in evidence. O'Donoghue brought Robert's body into his house and placed him down on a mat in the bathroom before taking him back out to his car and disposing of him. The investigators seem to believe that the semen was from someone else that was not involved in the crimes, and had got on the bath mat before Robert's body was brought into the room. I'd say if you test any bath mat in a house with men living in it, there's a good chance you'll find some semen.

There was absolutely no evidence of a sexual motive or element to Robert's death - the semen was incidental to the the whole thing. I guess Majella Holohan didn't accept that, but if the prosecution had brought the semen into the trial, the trial would most likely have been aborted, as it wasn't that of the defendant.

Here's some details around the issues she raised in her statement: https://magill.ie/archive/semen-was-not-wayne-odonoghues-solictitor

Ye thats true about the semen.

Still an evil act and hard to believe Wayne O'Donoghue is a free man the last 12 years. What's as shocking as the crimes are some of the sentences handed down.

8.5 for James Osbourne for glassing that italian lad.

What did O'Donoghue get? Feck all. Should have spent at least his 20's being punished.

Lundstram

smelly sock wrote: »

Ye thats true about the semen.

Still an evil act and hard to believe Wayne O'Donoghue is a free man the last 12 years. What's as shocking as the crimes are some of the sentences handed down.

8.5 for James Osbourne for glassing that italian lad.

What did O'Donoghue get? Feck all. Should have spent at least his 20's being punished.

He got 4 and served 3. He didn't mean to kill the boy and he panicked. He later confessed.

I believe the sentence was just in this case.