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Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23
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Fella got stabbed in Castle Street (****hole) Belfast the other day. Turned out to be well known thug Scott McHugh https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/belfast-stab-victim-had-survived-ira-attack-after-jock-davison-murder-39564525.html Got shot in the head after the Jock Davison murder but managed to fight off his assassins, being built like a brick **** house apparently DOES help when someone shoots you in the head. I don't think McHugh was involved in Davisons murder (Kevin McGuigan wouldn't have needed his help that's for sure, and like him McHugh would be dead if that were the case) but he is an absolute rat.0
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Well there was that thing about Alan battering someone then threating a bunch of people that happened to include an ex-provo, when the provo asked if Alan was threatening him, Alan promptly shat himself and backpedalled, then got clipped a few weeks later, this was according to someone who knew the Ryans well. I mean, Alan was 'Real' IRA, fairly mickey mouse organisation, Provos put them to bed pretty much up North after the Omagh bomb debacle. Big is also clearly a toutSupposedly they were the big d**ks around Dublin at the time and Big had them clipped like they were nothing, he’s the real deal0 -
Kevin McGuigan didn't need anybody to get him a gun to kill Jock let alone ****ing Kinahan lol, that was ALL personalgangstergossip wrote: »Your talking about sell out IRA. Jock Davidson cancer sorted the gun for him to be done pat Finucane very tight with them to even though cancers handlers mi5 killed his father. Jd done over cancer to. Cancer cousin dB member of sinn féin. Mtk giving sinn féin donations for there campaigns join the dots Cancer gettin jock Davidson done paved way for him and his blood money to fill the old provo pockets0 -
Beat me to itcknfriedrice1 wrote: »Kevin McGuigan did Jock Davison and McGuigan didn’t need cancer to sort any gun for him.
Pat Finucane was killed by UDA / UFF set up by Brian Nelson who was a British agent. This was in 1989 and long before Cancer was suspected as being a Mi5 agent.0 -
So Cancer got the Provos permission to take out JD yet it was the INLA who shot him, rightgangstergossip wrote: »Jock wanted nothing to do with cancer or mtk and cancer was scared to make any moves up north because of him but when km wanted to kill jock cancer was only happy to supply the gun. The ra never had makarovs cancer brought them in and it was one of his makarovs km killed jock with. After jock died mtk and sinn fein/provos all got cosy together mtk donates to sinn féin and donates to old provo shell companys. Jd owed cancer money and cancer had to ask permission off the provos to take him out and surprise he killed with a makarovs again only 2 murders in the North that makarovs were used in he paid inla to carry the Jd hit out. A picture with all mtk boxers and why would he get in a picture with Anthony Fitzpatrick of all people when he was lifted with cancer in Spain. Mtk isn't allowed have shows down south over safety fears for the public but even with bomb threats John Finucane insists they must go on cancers blood money is to good0 -
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I see people are getting their IRAs mixed up. The big fish, THE actual IRA, the Provisionals, are on full ceasefire with Sinn Fein in Stormont. The Real IRA (Ryan brothers ) are a mickey mouse dissident group with very little support, same for the Continuity IRA who killed Tommy Crossan.Man with broke phone wrote: »Jesus lads if you cant see the IRA connection to one side of that feud you have to struggle with the basics.
IRA man managing pub right in the territory.
IRA men getting shot all over the place at the time.
IRA men thought to have supplied the AKs
IRA providing safe houses in the north.
IRA for years providing drug dealer licences to people who pay up.
One side of the feud known for military precision robberies, just like the IRA.
A few IRA men shot and many drug dealers thinking they dont need licences from them to sell drugs in the run up to this.
Im not saying its the route cause but the international outfit didnt want to give up a few quid for the cause and they threw their weight behind their friends.
Of course the IRA dont exist anymore and any mention of this in the media may upset the peace process.
The Loyalists dont sell drugs either and hate drug dealers. These paramilitaries are very like each other. They march on drug dealers who dont pay them.
Jock Davison is the only 'IRA man' to be killed in the last five years, with his killer Kevin McGuigan being expelled from the same organisation long before. Davison and McGuigan, who was 5 years older, were both from the Markets area and both top hitmen for the IRA anti-drugs group Direct Action Against Drugs, as the organisation was heavily against drug dealing (legitimately against it).
McGuigan was the guy who shot drug dealer 'Speedy' Fegan 16 times and believed to be the man who killed his own friend, IPLO leader Sammy Ward during the Provos purge of that particular group. McGuigan,even for a hitman, was notoriously volatile and extremely violent with a ferocious temper and appetite for killing. At one point Davison was pressured into having McGuigan kneecapped to try and keep him in line. McGuigan was humiliated by this and held a grudge against Davison ever since.
There would be back and forth incidents between the two until 2015 when 53 year old (but still incredibly fit) McGuigan ambushed 48 year old Davison on the street and shot him in the head, McGuigan delivered 4 more shots to Davisons head as he lay on the ground. Every man and his dog knew who was responsible, and so the remnants of the IRA army council held an emergency meeting where most wanted no reprisals, most certainly because the finger of blame would fall on the Provisionals and therefore Sinn Fein, jeapordising their cosy position in Stormont.
Some others felt that not only could Jocks killing not go unpunished but that McGuigan was still an active threat, so McGuigan was shot and killed outside the home he refused to leave despite having 3 warnings from the PSNI about a credible (and inevitable)threat on his life.
With this killing came the media storm, the IRA , on ceasefire and with a political group in power, had just summarily executed a man on the street. The DUP walked out and Stormont collapsed. With things back on track, Sinn Fein won't be allowing any Tom Foolery or old grudges to jeapordise their lucrative position. Gerry Kelly has a holiday home in Spain don't ya know, who even needs drug dealing when you're in politics?
Active groups within republican areas such as the INLA will usually just tax drug dealers, rather than risk active participation, but will do it.
Loyalist groups are absolutely up to their neck in it, and always have been since it was feasible to deal drugs, they don't just tax drug dealers, they are the dealers, the original 'modern' UVF as founded by Gusty Spence were actually very sceptical and even outright against the idea of drug dealing, but eventually greed won out and the UVF have made a mint out of it, keeping the shooting to a minimum so they continue to collect 'community money' from the government while their less disciplined cousins in the UDA continue to do what they do best and kill eachother over it.
Even some of the original old school UDA leaders like Andy Tyrie were staunchly against drug dealing, but were very quickly ousted by the younger generation of UDA members who saw the profit in it, and have been shooting eachother over the proceeds and turf ever since (including the Johnny Adair feud etc. All over drugs) It's been a long time since any loyalist paramilitary has even pretended to be against drug dealing . Well, in hindsight I wonder why any of these groups would have been sceptical of drug dealing in the first place, don't you?0 -
Paul_Crosby wrote: »I see people are getting their IRAs mixed up. The big fish, THE actual IRA, the Provisionals, are on full ceasefire with Sinn Fein in Stormont. The Real IRA (Ryan brothers ) are a mickey mouse dissident group with very little support, same for the Continuity IRA who killed Tommy Crossan.
Jock Davison is the only 'IRA man' to be killed in the last five years, with his killer Kevin McGuigan being expelled from the same organisation long before. Davison and McGuigan, who was 5 years older, were both from the Markets area and both top hitmen for the IRA anti-drugs group Direct Action Against Drugs, as the organisation was heavily against drug dealing (legitimately against it).
McGuigan was the guy who shot drug dealer 'Speedy' Fegan 16 times and believed to be the man who killed his own friend, IPLO leader Sammy Ward during the Provos purge of that particular group. McGuigan,even for a hitman, was notoriously volatile and extremely violent with a ferocious temper and appetite for killing. At one point Davison was pressured into having McGuigan kneecapped to try and keep him in line. McGuigan was humiliated by this and held a grudge against Davison ever since.
There would be back and forth incidents between the two until 2015 when 53 year old (but still incredibly fit) McGuigan ambushed 48 year old Davison on the street and shot him in the head, McGuigan delivered 4 more shots to Davisons head as he lay on the ground. Every man and his dog knew who was responsible, and so the remnants of the IRA army council held an emergency meeting where most wanted no reprisals, most certainly because the finger of blame would fall on the Provisionals and therefore Sinn Fein, jeapordising their cosy position in Stormont.
Some others felt that not only could Jocks killing not go unpunished but that McGuigan was still an active threat, so McGuigan was shot and killed outside the home he refused to leave despite having 3 warnings from the PSNI about a credible (and inevitable)threat on his life.
With this killing came the media storm, the IRA , on ceasefire and with a political group in power, had just summarily executed a man on the street. The DUP walked out and Stormont collapsed. With things back on track, Sinn Fein won't be allowing any Tom Foolery or old grudges to jeapordise their lucrative position. Gerry Kelly has a holiday home in Spain don't ya know, who even needs drug dealing when you're in politics?
Active groups within republican areas such as the INLA will usually just tax drug dealers, rather than risk active participation, but will do it.
Loyalist groups are absolutely up to their neck in it, and always have been since it was feasible to deal drugs, they don't just tax drug dealers, they are the dealers, the original 'modern' UVF as founded by Gusty Spence were actually very sceptical and even outright against the idea of drug dealing, but eventually greed won out and the UVF have made a mint out of it, keeping the shooting to a minimum so they continue to collect 'community money' from the government while their less disciplined cousins in the UDA continue to do what they do best and kill eachother over it.
Even some of the original old school UDA leaders like Andy Tyrie were staunchly against drug dealing, but were very quickly ousted by the younger generation of UDA members who saw the profit in it, and have been shooting eachother over the proceeds and turf ever since (including the Johnny Adair feud etc. All over drugs) It's been a long time since any loyalist paramilitary has even pretended to be against drug dealing . Well, in hindsight I wonder why any of these groups would have been sceptical of drug dealing in the first place, don't you?
Then add a bit of this to muddy the waters.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/double-crossed-warren-crossan-killed-before-he-could-take-revenge-fordeath-of-dad-tommy-39562283.html0 -
Road crash this morning between a Garda car and a car involved in a shooting in west Dublin.0
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Random Account wrote: »Road crash this morning between a Garda car and a car involved in a shooting in west Dublin.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/gsoc-probe-crash-involving-gardai-and-car-suspected-in-shooting-39572287.html0 -
Any backround lads? Who’s area would Heathfield be?0
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Poor James0
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gangbanggossip wrote: »you must be new around here, basically we blame everything on cancer and they all believe it gob****es
You are the Aldi version of Gangstergossip.0 -
Pinoy adventure wrote: »Poor James
What’s the real story with frizzy? Did he do a good few hits or was he moving stuff aswel? His story to the court was hilarious, in bed with a brass when it happened. And I rent yachts out to rich people not exactly the most believable defence. Another one used and discarded by cancer either way0 -
Reports that a prisoner died this morning in Cloverhill while being restrained by prison officers who were trying to get him back into his cell. Media are just saying a man in his early 30s so far, no names released as yet.0
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The rent yaughts yarn wasnt a defence to his murder charge it was his explanation for his moneyWhat’s the real story with frizzy? Did he do a good few hits or was he moving stuff aswel? His story to the court was hilarious, in bed with a brass when it happened. And I rent yachts out to rich people not exactly the most believable defence. Another one used and discarded by cancer either way
Imo from just reading,hes a scary mother****er.no doubt0 -
I'll actually give gangstergossip some credit, it was a Makarov McGuigan used to kill Davison which was likely part of a consignment smuggled in by alleged Ukranians through Dublin with help from the Kinahans on the ground , as the Makarov were very rarely used during the Troubles or in feuds/crime since ceasefire and it was known that a consignment had arrived recently through Dublin before the shooting. I can pretty much guarantee that is where the connection ends though, there was no conspiracy from Kinahan and Sinn Fein to have Davison clipped so they could team up. Kevin McGuigan was just a maniac with a grudge who wanted Davison dead, the Makarov he used and ditched at the scene had no ballistics history, so it would have been exactly the kind of weapon he could use and drop (better to drop it at the scene rather than be caught fleeing a murder with a smoking gun) It looks like several Makarovs made their way up North as convicted loyalist child rapist Mark Hadlington had one in his biscuit tin, complete with silencer and ammunition and he wasn't directly handed that by the Kinehans, as well as Makarovs being linked to several recent criminal/paramilitary shootings in the last 5 years. So, gangstergossip is probably right that it came into the country with assistance by Kinehan Cartel as part of Ukranian/East European weapon dealers consignments, but not a part of any overarching conspiracy to kill Jock, and the Provos were almost certainly not involved in the JD Donegan killing, that was INLA who also most likely just wanted a clean weapon because killing a guy in front of school children is gonna bring some heat. I don't know if it's been said that JD was killed with a Makarov but I'll take his word for it.0
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Also Davisons dad was told by the Ombudsman that very shortly before murder the PSNI had received an anonymous tip about a gun in a house in the Markets area to be used real soon and never acted0
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You've been missing for a while, welcome back.. thanks for the info0
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it's not far from flashyfinglas, like there was a squad car, an unmarked and a ERU Jeep at the lights at the junction of Cappagh Rd/Rathoath Rd at 5.30 this morning I assume the aftermath of this.Righteouswrong wrote: »Any backround lads? Who’s area would Heathfield be?
this is after the road block yesterday evening at dunsink too
interestingly too, I spotted two plainclothes searching in the bush and scrub either side of the entrance to the River Road at Rathoath Rd this afternoon at about 3.45 and the chopper was hovering around all morning in the area too0 -
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Paul_Crosby wrote: »I'll actually give gangstergossip some credit, it was a Makarov McGuigan used to kill Davison which was likely part of a consignment smuggled in by alleged Ukranians through Dublin with help from the Kinahans on the ground , as the Makarov were very rarely used during the Troubles or in feuds/crime since ceasefire and it was known that a consignment had arrived recently through Dublin before the shooting. I can pretty much guarantee that is where the connection ends though, there was no conspiracy from Kinahan and Sinn Fein to have Davison clipped so they could team up. Kevin McGuigan was just a maniac with a grudge who wanted Davison dead, the Makarov he used and ditched at the scene had no ballistics history, so it would have been exactly the kind of weapon he could use and drop (better to drop it at the scene rather than be caught fleeing a murder with a smoking gun) It looks like several Makarovs made their way up North as convicted loyalist child rapist Mark Hadlington had one in his biscuit tin, complete with silencer and ammunition and he wasn't directly handed that by the Kinehans, as well as Makarovs being linked to several recent criminal/paramilitary shootings in the last 5 years. So, gangstergossip is probably right that it came into the country with assistance by Kinehan Cartel as part of Ukranian/East European weapon dealers consignments, but not a part of any overarching conspiracy to kill Jock, and the Provos were almost certainly not involved in the JD Donegan killing, that was INLA who also most likely just wanted a clean weapon because killing a guy in front of school children is gonna bring some heat. I don't know if it's been said that JD was killed with a Makarov but I'll take his word for it.
What was the reason behind the JD killing? Such a horrible place to do it0 -
Someone must be feeling the pinch. ouch 2 million
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/criminal-assets-bureau-seize-cars-227358350 -
It was all over a 6 pack.What was the reason behind the JD killing? Such a horrible place to do it
Mcguigan blamed jock for giving him the 6 pack treatment,knees ankles and wrists
Nasty
Just shows if someone is worth shooting they are worth shooting right
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Haladmirer wrote: »The rent yaughts yarn wasnt a defence to his murder charge it was his explanation for his money
Imo from just reading,hes a scary mother****er.no doubt
A few under the belt so0 -
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/crime-godfather-christy-kinahan-charged-with-passport-fraud-39575862.html
Crime Godfather Christy Kinahan charged with passport fraud
The ‘Dapper Don’ is one of five men now facing charges
Christy Kinahan
Christy Kinahan
Gerard Couzens
September 30 2020 12:18 PM
CRIME Godfather Christy Kinahan has been charged with passport fraud after a long-running investigation by a Spanish court sparked by dozens of arrests in three countries including Britain and Ireland.
The ‘Dapper Don’ is one of five men now facing charges resulting from Operation Shovel, an unprecedented police offensive against the cartel which led to 31 associates being targeted.
While Christy Kinahan (63) is now facing passport fraud charges, he has been told he will not be tried for money laundering offences or membership of an organised crime gang.
And Spanish state prosecutors have sensationally dropped their case against a string of other suspects including his two sons Daniel (43) and Christopher Jr (40) after failing to build a watertight case against them. The eldest son Daniel has been named in the High Court as a senior figures in the international drugs and arms smuggling cartel.
He was also at the centre of global controversy earlier this year when he was identified as the advisor who masterminded boxer Tyson Fury’s lucrative two-fight deal with Anthony Joshua.
The Kinahan brothers have had the threat of long prison sentences hanging over their heads for more than a decade in Spain after they were arrested by heavily-armed police at their Costa del Sol homes as part of a five-nation operation against organised crime.
Alfredo Rubalcaba, Spain’s Home Secretary when the Kinahans were held in May 2010, linked the alleged gang ringleaders to a string of murders when he congratulated police after the raids.
In its early stages the judicial probe focused on allegations of drugs and weapons trafficking.
It emerged in 2014 a judge probing Christy and a gang of suspected accomplices including his two sons had decided to drop her behind-closed-doors investigation into those crimes and focus solely on other allegations they were facing including money laundering and membership of a criminal gang.
Money laundering
Today it was confirmed that the money laundering and criminal association facets of the investigation had been mothballed - and only five of the original 31 detainees now face trial for lesser crimes which in most cases carry short prison sentences.
Christy Kihanan and two other men, Robert Edward Phillips and James Gregory Naughton, have been charged with passport fraud.
Jasvinder Singh Kamoo, said to have played a key money laundering role by police investigators in a report highlighted by the Spanish press in their initial coverage of the case after the arrests, has been charged with using fake number plates on a Mercedes.
A fifth man, convicted armed robber and senior cartel lieutenant Ross Browning (36), has also been charged with unlawful possession of a weapon.
Christy Kinahan, now also based in Dubai, has been warned he could face a prison sentence of up to three years and a fine if convicted, although the minimum prison sentence under Spanish law is just six months.
The time he spent in prison on remand after his Operation Shovel arrest, thought to be around six months, will be taken into account in determining if he will have to return to jail after any conviction.
It is not yet clear if his defence lawyers will now seek a plea bargain deal, as state prosecutors have yet to submit the indictment the investigating judge has now asked them to formulate.
One well-placed legal source said: “It’s rare for Spanish courts to hand out jail sentences of more than a year for passport fraud where a plea bargain deal resulting in a fine and possibly a suspended prison sentence for offenders is not reached ahead of trial.”
The court decision to charge Christy Kinahan was made at the same time his two sons were told the case against them was being dropped and the written ruling with the details has been sent to state prosecutors and the defence lawyers of those under investigation.
Alexandra Garcia, a university-educated Spanish national once described as Daniel Kinahan’s girlfriend who was probed on suspicion of setting up the financial structure which formed part of the Irish family’s alleged crime empire, has also been spared trial.
The 24 men and women who were being formally investigated are now completely in the clear.
This is unless any compelling new evidence enabling them to be charged with criminal wrongdoing comes to light in the future.
One of these is John Cunningham, who gained notoriety after masterminding the 1986 kidnapping of Jennifer Guinness. Her husband John was then the millionaire chairman of the Guinness & Mahon Bank in Dublin. Cunningham was later jailed for 17 years and his brother Michael, who died from a heart attack in January 2015, was sentenced to 14 years.
Judicial sources today confirmed the current investigating judge behind the dramatic Kinahan ruling, based at Estepona’s Court of Investigation Number Three, had acted at the behest of state prosecutors who had requested the “provisional archiving” of the money laundering and criminal association allegations against the suspects.
The long-running judicial probe sparked by the Operation Shovel arrests has been bogged down for years by delays in getting answers to formal requests about the assets attributed to the “Kinahan cartel.”
Authorities in Ireland are known to have been asked for information after the investigating judge sought answers from Brazil, where police said after the May 2010 arrests the cartel owned property owned €500million.
Cyprus was also one of the countries where authorities were asked to provide information about the Kinahans’ set-up.
Brazil is said to have taken five years to send its reply and Cyprus sent its answers back but in Greek, sparking a further 18-month delay in getting the replies translated which Spanish press described as “unprecedented.”
The written court ruling makes it abundantly clear there is no watertight case against those probed over money laundering but “reasonable grounds” to suspect they formed part of a gang specialising in making sure dirty money from drugs and weapons trafficking appeared legitimate.
The Kinahan cartel had been involved in a deadly feud with the Hutch gang which has claimed up to 18 lives in Ireland and abroad.
In recent years many of the cartel’s senior figures have fled to Dubai and other parts of the Middle East while many foot-soldiers and so-called ‘on-the-ground’ managers have been handed down jail terms in relation to organised criminality.0 -
This thread has taken a really sharp nosedive. It's a shame to see.0
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skates again, well i guess there is a reason they set up base in Spain-so weak and slow judicial system, like a flaccid cock.0 -
MTKcleaners wrote: »Someone must be feeling the pinch. ouch 2 million
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/criminal-assets-bureau-seize-cars-22735835
CAB having a lot of good success lately with seizing luxury cars. I think the word must be out now that cars are no longer a viable option to launder money.
Anyway the Herald had an updated article on Cornelius Price and Ger Dundon, currently awaiting trial on kidnapping charges. Mark Kavanagh facing the same charges too
https://www.herald.ie/news/drogheda-feud-criminal-banged-up-with-mob-boss-price-in-the-uk-as-they-await-trial-in-kidnap-case-39531677.htmlOriginally from Yellowbatter in Drogheda, Kavanagh, like many of those involved in the deadly Drogheda feud, fled Ireland earlier this year. In his case, he travelled to Manchester.
While based in the UK, he hooked up with other members of the Maguire gang, including Cornelius Price.
But the criminals did not know that they were the focus of a major surveillance operation by specialist English police which led to their arrests in July.
They were all arrested in relation to the alleged kidnap of two Stoke-on-Trent men and appeared in court last month on charges in connection with kidnap and false imprisonment.
While Price is charged with conspiracy to kidnap, Kavanagh is also charged with kidnap and conspiracy to blackmail.
It is understood they are all housed in HM Prison Dovegate in Uttoxeter while they await trial.
They will appear at Wood Green Crown Court in London on November 13 where it is expected that they will enter pleas in the case. All face lengthy jail terms if convicted.
Sounds like Dundon and Price are going to get locked up for at least 10 years.
Would be interesting to know who they might have been trying to kidnap in Stoke on Trent of all places and were they going to do it on a wet and windy Tuesday night.0 -
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Paul_Crosby wrote: »I'll actually give gangstergossip some credit, it was a Makarov McGuigan used to kill Davison which was likely part of a consignment smuggled in by alleged Ukranians through Dublin with help from the Kinahans on the ground , as the Makarov were very rarely used during the Troubles or in feuds/crime since ceasefire and it was known that a consignment had arrived recently through Dublin before the shooting. I can pretty much guarantee that is where the connection ends though, there was no conspiracy from Kinahan and Sinn Fein to have Davison clipped so they could team up. Kevin McGuigan was just a maniac with a grudge who wanted Davison dead, the Makarov he used and ditched at the scene had no ballistics history, so it would have been exactly the kind of weapon he could use and drop (better to drop it at the scene rather than be caught fleeing a murder with a smoking gun) It looks like several Makarovs made their way up North as convicted loyalist child rapist Mark Hadlington had one in his biscuit tin, complete with silencer and ammunition and he wasn't directly handed that by the Kinehans, as well as Makarovs being linked to several recent criminal/paramilitary shootings in the last 5 years. So, gangstergossip is probably right that it came into the country with assistance by Kinehan Cartel as part of Ukranian/East European weapon dealers consignments, but not a part of any overarching conspiracy to kill Jock, and the Provos were almost certainly not involved in the JD Donegan killing, that was INLA who also most likely just wanted a clean weapon because killing a guy in front of school children is gonna bring some heat. I don't know if it's been said that JD was killed with a Makarov but I'll take his word for it.
I never said there was Conspiracy with sinn féin to kill jock or that the provos had anything to do with the other jd killing. Cancer was scared of jock and wouldn't make any moves in the North because of jock. When km wanted to kill jock he wasn't going to go to the quarter master and ask for a firework after already getting a punishment shooting so he asked a fella in Belfast that was doing bits for cancer about getting a firework and told him what it was for cancer was told what km was looking for the firework for and got a makarov sent up after jock was killed cancer was able to worknin the north no problem and mtk start donating to the shinners and old provo shell companys. Mtk were allowed have shows in the North while banned in the Republic even when bomb threats are rang in to mtk shows in the North John Finucane and sinn féin insist they go on. The other jd owed cancer money and he paid inla to kill him and sent another makarov up for that. There were never makarov used in the troubles the only two murders in the North with makarov were jd and jock. And ye said about a loyalist caught with a makarov in a biscuit tin up there sure everyone and there dogs know the loyalist been getting there bits off cancer a long time same as the scottish0
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