Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

stephenjmcd

spookwoman wrote: »

I have no interest in sport and couldn't give a sh*t if they restrict it to 50 people or none.
What has that got to do with "Certain you can live without watching sports as well."

There you go you've no interest in it so you couldn't care less anyway.

Whats the logic behind stopping 50 people going to a match ? There isn't, it doesn't make sense.

For some of us it was a welcome outlet now gone again for no reason

BonsaiKitten

Dampsquid wrote: »

RTE had a load of new restrictions listed on the live blog on their website, then they took it down again.

Including max 15 people at outdoor gatherings.

Yes, I have that here actually! Screenshotted and sent it to someone.

Necro

hmmm wrote: »

From what I've read, the problems are less about what happens at the matches and more about how they travel there (sharing cars, bus etc.) and what happens after the match (parties etc.).

I don't think it's enough simply to announce restrictions. The government need to explain why certain actions are being taken.

Yeah I'd love to see the reasoning behind this because it seems like they're making a big deal out of something that isn't a factor in the latest outbreaks.

Busi_Girl08

MOR316 wrote: »

I can understand their decision on weddings...

Let's face it, having Zara King hound you everyday about Weddings would be enough to make you come to that decision

At least someone will be happy at the presser

Eod100

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1295755143133134851?s=19

growleaves

Deleted User wrote: »

Who is talking about banning cash apart from one post from someone trying to be funny and a few more running with it?

Its happening in Australia right now and its the been floated for years even before covid created the urgent necessity to dismantle normal life:

Coronavirus forces record number of ATMs, bank branches to close

My least favourite formula: "The virus forced us to do x, y, x"

spookwoman

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There you go you've no interest in it so you couldn't care less anyway.

Whats the logic behind stopping 50 people going to a match ? There isn't, it doesn't make sense.

For some of us it was a welcome outlet now gone again for no reason

No reason, there is always a reason.

Arghus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There was a clear understanding among anyone who understood anything about the virus that it would still be going on in the Autumn. The original conception of the restrictions was to prevent surges in the health system, not eliminate the virus. Maybe some started to believe when the measures had such a dramatic impact that elimination was possible, but it was never the primary function

Of course they assumed that the virus would still be here in Autumn, but I'm pretty certain that they thought of that as a situation where we'd have sporadic cases popping up every now and again and that we'd have figured out a way to stay on top of it with the minimum of disruption. There's no way they saw hundreds of cases per every couple of days again within about 7-8 weeks and parts of their plan never seeing the light of day. The proof of that was in their behaviour. Leo was just interested in giving us good news for the last month of his reign - we're going to rip through the phases, summer isn't lost etc, etc - and FF were entirely occupied by the own navel gazing for their first few weeks in government. They didn't want to say it, but the crisis was pretty much over as far as our politicians were concerned. They didn't think it was going to be like this going into September.

ACitizenErased

Drunken weddings can continue

John O.Groats

Gael23 wrote: »

This is a step too far.
People need to take a stand

Off you go so pal. Lead the way you rebel.

ACitizenErased

spookwoman wrote: »

No reason, there is always a reason.

Give 1 valid reason why sports has been affected and things like indoor weddings can continue as normal

Turtwig

AdamD wrote: »

Similarly, it can be a bit bizarre what sets the public off. Something like the sporting events, despite not being that huge right now, could oddly be the straw that broke the camel's back. I've not seen online reaction (across platforms) as overwhelmingly negative to any restrictions floated before

Yeah very fair point. Need to gauge between social media reactions and public in general. Be interesting to see what happens.

Doctor Jimbob

average_runner wrote: »

Because its important to get the kids back. We need to move on and live with this like Europe has

But all signs are that we're not moving on and living with it. If they go ahead with opening the schools, we're effectively being told that having 50 people watching a sports game outside is more dangerous than having 30 kids in a classroom. There's no logic or consistency here.

Stheno

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1295755143133134851?s=19

That's insane that churches are exempt, given that the demographic of those who would attend church would tend to be older

Eod100

Necro wrote: »

Yeah I'd love to see the reasoning behind this because it seems like they're making a big deal out of something that isn't a factor in the latest outbreaks.

Think someone posted that outbreak was linked to underage camogie match but it's probably a 100 odd pages back now..! But seemed to be more 22 people living in 2 bed house

kenmc

Thierry12 wrote: »

They better not touch businesses again

Restaurants, hotel's, cafe's, gym's etc have put up with enough

I don't know about anyone else but I am far more worried of catching that god damn awful Flu I had in December than Covid19, where people my age seem to be getting no symptoms

I was floored for 2 weeks with that Flu, lost 6kg, no taste, smell etc, sweating like a dog with that fever

No taste and smell are classic symptoms of covid, not influenza though.

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1295754709098258433

Atlantic Dawn

Indoor events limited to 6 people yet a few hundred people can shop at the local supermarket.

What Username Guidelines

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

This was the source of my pretty-heavy anxiety in March and April tbh. It seemed like everyone was pulling on the jersey and having fun posting #stayathome on instagram and I just kept looking at the situation and thinking "What?!". Lots of friends and families just getting on with it as if it would be short term, etc, and the only conclusion I could get to was this is going to go on for far longer than most expect. It wasn't even anxiety about Covid, it was about the reaction people would have when it went on too long, and how you even go about unwinding such measures without a clear exit such as vaccine. And now here we are 5 months later talking about bringing in restrictions that won't have any effect on the numbers. Mental.

The narrative in March was look at China. They are back to normal. That's what we will get to. I half believed it. I feel Europe are not dealing with this well compared to Asia/Oceania. We have to make a better attempt at following their model. Ireland are looking to Europe when the should be looking at Asia.

tiredblondie

Dampsquid wrote: »

RTE had a load of new restrictions listed on the live blog on their website, then they took it down again.

Including max 15 people at outdoor gatherings.

thought i was going mad, that happened twice there!

eigrod

Are they waiting for a large number of cases to be announced this evening before holding the PC to help justify these measures?

spookwoman

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Give 1 valid reason why sports has been affected and things like indoor weddings can continue as normal

Why are you asking me, I am not the one making the decisions for the government.

stephenjmcd

spookwoman wrote: »

No reason, there is always a reason.

So I can go to indoor Mass but can't stand on the side of a football pitch outdoors.

Ok makes sense ??

average_runner

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

But all signs are that we're not moving on and living with it. If they go ahead with opening the schools, we're effectively being told that having 50 people watching a sports game outside is more dangerous than having 30 kids in a classroom. There's no logic or consistency here.

I agree there should be more at games, running races should be back, croke park back etc

BringBackMick

The omission of religious congregations is obviously FF and Micheal not wanting to annoy its base voter.

Turtwig

Stheno wrote: »

That's insane that churches are exempt, given that the demographic of those who would attend church would tend to be older

I suspect that was a cabinet decision and a not public health one.

Jimi H

Whatever restrictions are announced, they need to set out a clear plan as to where we’re going and what results they are hoping to achieve.

ACitizenErased

spookwoman wrote: »

Why are you asking me, I am not the one making the decisions for the government.

You seem intent on defending them? You must have a reason why.

Loafing Oaf

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There you go you've no interest in it so you couldn't care less anyway.

Whats the logic behind stopping 50 people going to a match ? There isn't, it doesn't make sense.

For some of us it was a welcome outlet now gone again for no reason

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0805/1157396-limerick-chief-accepts-logic-of-govt-decision-on-crowds/

Limerick chairman John Cregan says his board has to accept the logic behind the Government's decision not to ease crowd restrictions as they cannot control how larger numbers of supporters will travel to games – or where they assemble beforehand.

So I suppose if that applies to 500 people it also applies proportionately to 50 people. Even with a few dozen spectators, there's a chance a group of them from different families will have traveled to the match together in the same car.

Arghus

hmmm wrote: »

From what I've read, the problems are less about what happens at the matches and more about how they travel there (sharing cars, bus etc.) and what happens after the match (parties etc.).

I don't think it's enough simply to announce restrictions. The government need to explain why certain actions are being taken.

To be fair to them that is the reason they gave for not previously upping the numbers allowed to attend. Ronan Glynn said it wasn't about people being at the stadiums, but how they travel to get there, congregate there and elsewhere afterwards.

I think there is a logic to it, but I think there's equally other measures they could look at first.

ACitizenErased

All outdoor events being limited to 15 people means no sport, no?

Necro

So I can go to a wedding indoors with a crowd of 50 but not watch a match outside



These flutes in charge are asleep at the wheel

MickeyLeari

maebee wrote: »

I don't know how true this is but I heard that they literally "bed share", i.e. while 11 workers work one shift, the other 11 are sleeping. When those 11 finish their shift, they're sleeping in the beds of the other 11. :eek:

Would not surprise me in the slightest.

www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/dublin-s-rental-black-market-bunk-beds-no-contracts-overcrowding-1.3374207%3fmode=amp

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

Dr O' Tuathail putting it back to Cabinet here: https://twitter.com/DrZeroCraic/status/1295749729104650245?s=19

It frustrates me when someone misinformed thinks he can sprout ****e, just because he has the title Dr. in his twitter account - Ireland are in the upper half in the OCED on health spending per capita, but vested interests, such as GP's,consultants and unions prevent the necessary changes in how the system is ran

tiredblondie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Give 1 valid reason why sports has been affected and things like indoor weddings can continue as normal

It's hardly continuing as normal when it's restricted to 50 people.
People have spent a year or more planning their wedding, spending a hell of a lot of money on it that they won't get back and to tell someone who already reduced the numbers to 50 on government advise that their wedding this week can now only have 6 people at it is unimaginable!!

Patser

It all just seems so fecky and little - a week to go til schools are scheduled to reopen, 3 counties under restrictions, outbreaks in other counties, a big tense cabinet meeting and the best they can come up with is no spectators at sport and stop partying unless it's a wedding.

growleaves

As far as masses, weddings etc. being left go ahead, it seems that their having no connection to house parties is the reason.

The tenuous connection between sporting events and after-parties is logic of a kind, albeit sort of a mad logic imo. With actual house parties being reduced down as well.

spookwoman

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You seem intent on defending them? You must have a reason why.

Where am I defending them shutting down sports, where have i posted i support the government. I haven't so give over.

kksaints

Stheno wrote: »

That's insane that churches are exempt, given that the demographic of those who would attend church would tend to be older

Yep, that's completely mental considering aswell that's it's indoors, if there's communion people in close contact and a lot of them might not be well ventilated and it has similar issues to sport events with people meeting up beforehand and afterwords. Plus, internationally there has been a number of large clusters linked to religious services (South Korea, Austria, France and Italy have all had large clusters linked to religious services).

Spanish Eyes

Will wait and see what is announced, although the Screenshot above gives an indication.

I just hope they justify their decisions by saying we are stopping sports attendance because...
We are retaining weddings and religious services because....
And so on.

But I have to say I am so far very disappointed in the new Gov. They appear to be running around like headless chickens.

ACitizenErased

spookwoman wrote: »

Where am I defending them shutting down sports, where have i posted i support the government. I haven't so give over.

Okay, you haven't, not at all, you would never.

Atlantic Dawn

tiredblondie wrote: »

It's hardly continuing as normal when it's restricted to 50 people.
People have spent a year or more planning their wedding, spending a hell of a lot of money on it that they won't get back and to tell someone who already reduced the numbers to 50 on government advise that their wedding this week can now only have 6 people at it is unimaginable!!

It's a wedding, not essential that it's a celebration with 50 people, could be a registry office gig with handful of people if needed.

Jackman25

MOR316 wrote: »

How are you not banned from this thread?

You're the ultimate WUM

Complete troll. Was ChelseaRentBoy in his/her last incarnation.

Igotadose

Laughable. No international tourism restrictions. Punishing the innocent

BENDYBINN

Necro wrote: »

So I can go to a wedding indoors with a crowd of 50 but not watch a match outside



These flutes in charge are asleep at the wheel

It’s the traveling to matches and the socializing assosiated with matches that’s the problem..

How many more times do you have to be told this?

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

All outdoor events being limited to 15 people means no sport, no?

Looks like seasons will be stopped again yes, the 200 included players, thats now to be 15.

Non solum non ambulabit

Gruffalox wrote: »

Yes...buuuuutttttt..


Re Covid most of us have zero proven immunity

I would argue most of us are immune in that our immune system will successfully beat this virus in 85% of us without any treatments or hospitalisation. That is our immune system operating immunity.

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/alankellylabour/status/1295741828617183233?s=20

Doctor Jimbob

BENDYBINN wrote: »

It’s the traveling to matches and the socializing assosiated with matches that’s the problem..

How many more times do you have to be told this?

Yes, as we all know weddings involve neither travelling nor socialising.

AdamD

Are we the only country on the planet targetting outdoor gatherings?