Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

stephenjmcd

John O.Groats wrote: »

Hopefully the announcement about reducing the indoor gatherings numbers will be accompanied by giving Gardaí extra enforcement powers to break up house parties etc, that are a huge part of the cause of the rise in new cases.

The huge rise as you put it was associated with factories. House parties have gone on throughout.

Good luck if you think the guards are going to be running around estates all night checking if theres only 6 in the house.

Itssoeasy

Is any else stopping listening to the news this week ? I had rte radio 1 on in the backround today and while I was only listening to bits in any detail you'd swear the country is about to fall off a covid cliff. Yes there has been a spike and we need to be be watchful of it and not be dismissive of it but neither does doom and gloom help either. Do the media think this is helpful ? We've more than likely a long bloody winter ahead and they need to ****ing tone down the doom and gloom. Yes, report on the cases we have and provide context and not just numbers on their own.

Thierry12

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I'm thinking much higher

Would love if a journalist asked how many Influenza and Pneumonia deaths did we have this week

Alot more than Covid, that's for sure

ThunbergsAreGo

Is playing sports still ok?

harr

Mental Mickey wrote: »

What's the start time for the conference?

When ever they are finished the dinner and jelly and ice cream

Atlantic Dawn

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I'm thinking much higher

Yes hopefully journalists question the timeline of the test results.

JP Liz V1

What about pubs, drunk lives matter the Irish need their drink

ExMachina1000

Rte news now due to go live with the commission report at 3:05 pm.

Only 2 and a half hours late. Check back tomorrow

Mental Mickey

harr wrote: »

When ever they are finished the dinner and jelly and ice cream

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

is_that_so

hmmm wrote: »

I think a fine of a thousand euros for the owner of a property if a Garda finds more than the allowed number at the location would sort this out quickly.

It would need to be €10,000 as it's 2.5K for sneaking into a shop without one!

John O.Groats

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1295757255510503425?s=20

I posted about this before seeing this tweet. This is very good news. Hopefully these new powers will be fully enforced.

is_that_so

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Yes hopefully journalists question the timeline of the test results.

Journalists and tests is a guaranteed tailspin so they won't!

ednwireland

I hate the people slagging the new government for not having a coherent plan I very much doubt saint Tony would have been in any different position now. it was always going to be a massivly difficult process trying to keep business going without shutting the economy again.

although i think they always seem to impose restrictions which avoid where the majority of cases are coming from.

growleaves

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Is playing sports still ok?

I think you're supposed to watch Netflix instead. Its only til 2025.

SEPT 23 1989

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I was looking for a direct link, Is that RTE Player? Its ****e, rarely works for me.

https://www.rte.ie/news/player/live/7/

Try this

It will come on when it starts

Doctor Jimbob

John O.Groats wrote: »

I posted about this before seeing this tweet. This is very good news. Hopefully these new powers will be fully enforced.

Great news all right. Send the Gardai round to people's houses making sure they're behaving themselves but don't bother having inspections in the factories where the virus is going mad. That'll sort everything out.

JP Liz V1

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Just heard 30 more cases in local factory( not 100% on this atm)

It's a lock down for Tipperary it's a lock down to go

niallo27

John O.Groats wrote: »

Hopefully the announcement about reducing the indoor gatherings numbers will be accompanied by giving Gardaí extra enforcement powers to break up house parties etc, that are a huge part of the cause of the rise in new cases.

Is it, any proof of this. I thought the clusters were from factories.

ACitizenErased

There'll be murder if the gardai try to walk into people's houses.

spookwoman

John O.Groats wrote: »

I posted about this before seeing this tweet. This is very good news. Hopefully these new powers will be fully enforced.

Probably brought in so they can deal with the like of what happened in Berlin

hmmm

is_that_so wrote: »

It would need to be €10,000 as it's 2.5K for sneaking into a shop without one!

Yeah I think the 2.5k was a stupid fine amount TBH, it's not realistic. Much prefer the Spanish (?) one where it's a hundred euro on the spot.

Amirani

hmmm wrote: »

From what I've read, the problems are less about what happens at the matches and more about how they travel there (sharing cars, bus etc.) and what happens after the match (parties etc.).

I don't think it's enough simply to announce restrictions. The government need to explain why certain actions are being taken.

Yep, but these are completely inconsistent with what appears to be the approach on weddings and mass/religious ceremonies. These would have the same travel and after issues as matches.

stephenjmcd

John O.Groats wrote: »

I posted about this before seeing this tweet. This is very good news. Hopefully these new powers will be fully enforced.

Any powers for private property will need the approval of the AG.

Gardai can't enter private property without a warrant. Will require full legislation change

is_that_so

John O.Groats wrote: »

I posted about this before seeing this tweet. This is very good news. Hopefully these new powers will be fully enforced.

It's a "I don't want a police state but COVID" post.

MickeyLeari

growleaves wrote: »

I think you're supposed to watch Netflix instead. Its only til 2025.

That’s only for public servants

ACitizenErased

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Any powers for private property will need the approval of the AG.

Gardai can't enter private property without a warrant. Will require full legislation change

People who think the Gardai will just walk in and end all house parties in their tracks :pac::pac::pac::pac:

is_that_so

hmmm wrote: »

Yeah I think the 2.5k was a stupid fine amount TBH, it's not realistic. Much prefer the Spanish (?) one where it's a hundred euro on the spot.

Yeah but nobody's listening to common sense.

robbiezero

My local club is looking for volunteers to get married on Saturday and hold the ceremony behind the goal of our GAA pitch so as 50 people can get in to see the team play

Mental Mickey

s1ippy wrote: »

At the start, the virus was unprecedented so we acted quickly, doing things that would curb the spread and lower transmission.

Now we have a precedent for taking actions that curb the spread. However those actions upset the wrong people. These are vested interests, voters and the workforce.

Businesses have separate rules, as the clusters detected don't seem to come from them, although I would highlight that between one third and one fifth of cases are community transmission.

Office staff are now meant to go back to working from home.

Weddings are still permitted with fifty people allowed. This is another form of business, hospitality industry.

Outdoor events are only allowed fifteen people (down from 200) even though there is little or nothing to suggest that they account for any transmission.

6 people from 3 households can gather in private homes. Not sure if there's a time limit on that. Generally close contact of 2 metres for 15 minutes is regarded as a risk, although in some settings this is not required.

Pubs and restaurant visits restricted to 105 minutes with social distancing (1m?) between tables.

Meat plants and other factories involved in food production, the main source of virus transmission for the past month, are open with little oversight and there is no firm guidance or research on the safety of groceries, especially on washing down shopping or safe storage and consumption of food that doesn't require cooking (deli meats, etc).

Schools will be reopening in a week's time with thousands of people from different households mixing indoors, close quarters, poor ventilation, inadequate sanitation facilities with children engaging in unpredictable behaviours for 6+ hours. Schools will not necessarily close if there is an outbreak in them and although 25% of the workforce are high risk, only the "extremely high risk" (I heard a figure of 2% quoted at the start) are permitted to give support working from home. No online provision has been made.

Previous CMO left during a very contentious period, under the pretext of family circumstances, when he wanted to take measures to prevent this current outbreak from happening. Current CMO is being slated in leaks from "senior government sources" as personally wanting to impose "draconian" measures.

This will be heralded in the history books as the most frustrating time to have even the remotest grasp of the subtext and agendas at play in public health decisions.

Announcement was meant to be at 3, delayed now supposedly until 7 but leaks are being drip fed all day, putting out feelers to see what the plebs want so they can retract that later. There have been around 300 cases across the previous four days and tomorrow it will be a week since the last biweekly press conference, at a time when there are higher figures than anything we've seen since the previous wave, where after a couple of weeks people started dying in large numbers.

Oh yeah and there are loads of clusters in nursing homes again. Did I forget anything?

Re: your thing about Tony Holohan. That's a bit unfair on him? An illness such as that would hardly be made up? Terribly cynical and poor form IMO.

MickeyLeari

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Any powers for private property will need the approval of the AG.

Gardai can't enter private property without a warrant. Will require full legislation change

Perhaps even a constitutional amendment.

What are they going to do about the numbers on halting sites? New sites perhaps. Maybe the Curragh racecourse?

dundalkfc10

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People who think the Gardai will just walk in and end all house parties in their tracks :pac::pac::pac::pac:

Id nearly have a house party to see them try

Busi_Girl08

One possible positive of 6 people indoors restriction is it might be the start of a crackdown on over-packed shared accommodation.

ACitizenErased

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Id nearly have a house party to see them try

They'd want more than a warrant to come into my house, to be honest. Not a chance.

Thierry12

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It's a lock down for Tipperary it's a lock down to go

ABP?

Itssoeasy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Any powers for private property will need the approval of the AG.

Gardai can't enter private property without a warrant. Will require full legislation change

That's fair enough but the government better have their statements worded so that there is no chance of misinterpretation. The above must likely is the law of the land.

Blondini

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They'd want more than a warrant to come into my house, to be honest. Not a chance.

Oh grow the fcuk up would ya...

Loafing Oaf

Amirani wrote: »

Yep, but these are completely inconsistent with what appears to be the approach on weddings and mass/religious ceremonies. These would have the same travel and after issues as matches.

I would have thought nearly everybody traveling to/from those together would be from the same family though.

The Unbearables

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There'll be murder if the gardai try to walk into people's houses.

Not from proper law abiding citizens. From the Gemma O Dorothy tin foilers on here yes.

suicide_circus

"The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles." - Socrates

What Username Guidelines

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

One possible positive of 6 people indoors restriction is it might be the start of a crackdown on over-packed shared accommodation.

Its 6 people from 3 households assuming it's less than six living there.

You think people with 5+ kids are now sitting down to decide which kid to evict?

Necro

robbiezero wrote: »

My local club is looking for volunteers to get married on Saturday and hold the ceremony behind the goal of our GAA pitch so as 50 people can get in to see the team play

:pac: Either that or sign up to the club yourself and get put on the playing panel

:D:D

ACitizenErased

The Unbearables wrote: »

Not from proper law abiding citizens. From the Gemma O Dorothy tin foilers on here yes.

Never broken a law in my life kid.

hmmm

Amirani wrote: »

Yep, but these are completely inconsistent with what appears to be the approach on weddings and mass/religious ceremonies. These would have the same travel and after issues as matches.

There's a big difference in frequency and social importance between a wedding and a club GAA match. Plus if you think of the risks they seem to be targeting (large groups travelling to and from matches with no distancing) a wedding would seem to be lower risk.

bazermc

Have I missed the briefing or are we still awaiting it?

Gruffalux

[Deleted User] wrote: »

WHO estimate 1 billion cases of influenza occur annually with studies detecting signs on Myocarditis in approx 10% of cases

It is almost as fast as March in here at the minute so you might miss this reply.
I accept your 10 %. If a billion people get fku annually and WHO also estimate deaths at 250,000 to 500,000 annually, which I have seen, that is not the 0.1% mortality rate for flu which people go on about. It is at most half that. For the life of ne I cannot be sure what half of 0.1 % is. Is it 0.05? Which would make flu mortality rate look small beside guesstimated Covid mortality rate.

Coillte_Bhoy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/player/live/7/

Try this

It will come on when it starts

Cheers

ACitizenErased

I'm off to a match with 199 other people now anyway and I'm gonna enjoy it. G'luck.

kksaints

hmmm wrote: »

There's a big difference in frequency and social importance between a wedding and a club GAA match. Plus if you think of the risks they seem to be targeting (large groups travelling to and from matches with no distancing) a wedding would seem to be lower risk.

But not between masses and religious ceremonies which attract an older attendance.

AdamD

hmmm wrote: »

There's a big difference in frequency and social importance between a wedding and a club GAA match. Plus if you think of the risks they seem to be targeting (large groups travelling to and from matches with no distancing) a wedding would seem to be lower risk.

If you think a wedding is lower risk than a GAA match you've fully lost it

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People who think the Gardai will just walk in and end all house parties in their tracks :pac::pac::pac::pac:

Sure if you ring them for something at the best of times they'll "send a car when its available" and either turn up hours later or not at all.

Imagine ringing up saying there's 7 people in the house next door, yeah good luck seeing a car for that