Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Itssoeasy

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Nope but 50s not bad esp if most cases still in LOK

Well the acting CMO said it would be next week until we'd likely see the result of the lockdown. I mean at least it's not going back up. It's gone from 174 to 68 to two days in the fifties. I mean once it doesnt start going back up hopefully the lockdown in the midlands will see it drop.

polesheep

And Covid-19 may already have mutated. It certainly seems to have become less lethal.

Santy2015

polesheep wrote: »

"And hopefully we’ll have an effective vaccine just like the flu."

The above is the comment I replied to. Hence the flu reference.

It’s the probably the best solution in the short term until they get a vaccine that knocks it out completely!!

Hector Savage

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Geez that out break in New Zealand is an eye opener . Considering their approach, how are they getting another out break, even they can't figure it out .

Just goes to show you how this "zero covid" approach is completely unrealistic.

They are going to shut down their economy now because of 4 cases .... nuts

Itssoeasy

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Geez that out break in New Zealand is an eye opener . Considering their approach, how are they getting another out break, even they can't figure it out .

It'll be interesting to see if the authorities in New Zealand can work out how they got those positives outside those already in quarantine.

Santy2015

Hector Savage wrote: »

Just goes to show you how this "zero covid" approach is completely unrealistic.

They are going to shut down their economy now because of 4 cases .... nuts

The economy of their biggest city as well. Zero Covid is seriously flawed! Unless the government shut down everything and I mean everything for one month and borrow enough to pay everybody’s wages and cover the costs of businesses closing for that month or so, then zero Covid bullS**t will never happen

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293209826953240576?s=20

Danzy

polesheep wrote: »

And Covid-19 may already have mutated. It certainly seems to have become less lethal.

It may have, it may be less lethal with higher vitamin d levels, may be better medical understanding.

May be all of that and more.

polesheep

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well the acting CMO said it would be next week until we'd likely see the result of the lockdown. I mean at least it's not going back up. It's gone from 174 to 68 to two days in the fifties. I mean once it doesnt start going back up hopefully the lockdown in the midlands will see it drop.

So, we let it into the nursing homes where it went rampant and killed many. We reacted with a lockdown of the general public. At the same time we stopped it entering the nursing homes. So when the nursing home deaths ceased the lockdown was hailed (nothing to do with protecting the nursing homes of course). Now, with the meat plant workers targeted we also go into a lockdown of the general public and as the numbers from the meat plants drop we will be told yet again that it was the lockdown of the general public that achieved it and not the measures to deal with the meat plants. And still people believe this propaganda.

hmmm

polesheep wrote: »

And Covid-19 may already have mutated. It certainly seems to have become less lethal.

That's not backed up by any scientific evidence. The only significant mutation so far has enabled it to spread faster.

polesheep

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if the authorities in New Zealand can work out how they got those positives outside those already in quarantine.

Possibly the most interesting Covid-19 related thing on the planet right now.

blowitupref

ACitizenErased wrote: »

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24 hours: 3937
Tests conducted last 7 days: 30372
Additional positive tests: 53
Positivity Rate last 7 days: 1.7%

Unless they add in backlog cases we should see under the 57 cases from yesterday.

polesheep

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293209826953240576?s=20

Thankfully, it looks like the staff were following good PPE protocols.

Itssoeasy

polesheep wrote: »

So, we let it into the nursing homes where it went rampant and killed many. We reacted with a lockdown of the general public. At the same time we stopped it entering the nursing homes. So when the nursing home deaths ceased the lockdown was hailed (nothing to do with protecting the nursing homes of course). Now, with the meat plant workers targeted we also go into a lockdown of the general public and as the numbers from the meat plants drop we will be told yet again that it was the lockdown of the general public that achieved it and not the measures to deal with the meat plants. And still people believe this propaganda.

Your issue is with the public health team chief not me.

Jim_Hodge

polesheep wrote: »

And Covid-19 may already have mutated. It certainly seems to have become less lethal.

There's no indication of any notable mutation in the virus to suggest that. But then 'may' covers a multitude.

polesheep

hmmm wrote: »

That's not backed up by any scientific evidence. The only significant mutation so far has enabled it to spread faster.

There is precious little scientific evidence at all at this early stage of the disease. Some doctors and scientists, however, have always said that the figures to watch are the hospitalisations and deaths as they are strong indicators of a weakening virus. Of course, no on can know for sure, but it's in our nature to speculate.;)

caveat emptor

Nice explainer of symptoms in NY times. Highlights what's rare vs common.

Mental Mickey

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293209826953240576?s=20

F**k, f**k, and f**k again. I live around the corner from that hospital.

KrustyUCC

blowitupref wrote: »

Unless they add in backlog cases we should see under the 57 cases from yesterday.

Is there a backlog?

There really shouldn't be at this stage

polesheep

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

There's no indication of any notable mutation in the virus to suggest that. But then 'may' covers a multitude.

There is no real indication of any mutation at all as checking for one is a painstaking process that lags what is actually happening in the real world. 'May' does indeed cover a multitude, but looking at the figures for hospitalisations and deaths it can be said that something may be happening.

hmmm

polesheep wrote: »

Some doctors and scientists, however, have always said that the figures to watch are the hospitalisations and deaths as they are strong indicators of a weakening virus.

The main contribution to reducing hospitalisations and ultimately deaths are the actions taken to stop the virus spreading.

If there was some weaker strain circulating it would be picked up in our Covid testing.

Drumpot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i536vS3z3e8

Lots of technical talk but in summary, T cell response may be more important then natural immunity (That may not last too long) and masks are not just important to protect others from you but evidence is emerging that they potentially reduce viral load that people inhale and that could explain asymptotic cases. Example used was two cruises (diamond princess v an attic cruise ship).

If you find this video good you should watch some of the other videos. They are all from a medical POV , links to all their sources and non emotive discussions. Much better source then any news media outlet that’s regularly filtered garbage or propaganda.

DebDynamite

polesheep wrote: »

But that was at the start. Hospital numbers have been steady for quite a while now.

I know that. I’m agreeing with what you’re saying. My point was we were were hospitalizing people who now wouldn’t require it. So the overall number is higher than it really should be and isn’t painting the full picture of how serious (or not) the virus was.

Jim_Hodge

polesheep wrote: »

There is no real indication of any mutation at all as checking for one is a painstaking process that lags what is actually happening in the real world. 'May' does indeed cover a multitude, but looking at the figures for hospitalisations and deaths it can be said that something may be happening.

We're managing the spread to vulnerable people, using more effective treatment, and reducing viral load. You're just using supposition.

Paddygreen

Onesea wrote: »

Whats even more crazy, they will call you a fool for pointing out the obvious.

Experts have advised that we lockdown to lock out the deadly virus, I am with the experts, esteemed experts, full time experts with thousands of years of expertise under their belts . Lemsip, hot toddy’s and chicken soup won’t save you amigo, got it? comprende?

lee_baby_simms

Prime Minster of New Zealand

"We have had a 102 days and it was easy to feel New Zealand was out of the woods. No country has gone as far as we did without having a resurgence. And because we were the only ones, we had to plan. And we have planned,"

Interesting to note that all countries that have gone through widespread cases/deaths related to covid haven't had any significant resurgence.

Interesting to see what happens here - has the super effective lockdown with zero community spread simply kicked the can down the road for 102 days?

wadacrack

Drumpot wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i536vS3z3e8

Lots of technical talk for anybody who wants to educate themselves a bit but in summary, T cell response may be more important then natural immunity (That may not last too long) and masks are not just important to protect others from you but evidence is emerging that they potentially reduce viral load that people inhale and that could explain asymptotic cases. Example used was two cruises (diamond princess v an attic cruise ship).

If you find this video good you should watch some of the other videos. They are all from a medical POV , links to all their sources and non emotive discussions. Much better source then any news media outlet that’s regularly filtered garbage or propaganda.

Yea he has been very good. Mike Hansen on Youtube also . Very credible and informative

MOR316

caveat emptor wrote: »

Nice explainer of symptoms in NY times. Highlights what's rare vs common.

Give it a week and an itchy bollocks and an itchy arse will be symptoms

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293209826953240576

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polesheep wrote: »

There is precious little scientific evidence at all at this early stage of the disease. Some doctors and scientists, however, have always said that the figures to watch are the hospitalisations and deaths as they are strong indicators of a weakening virus. Of course, no on can know for sure, but it's in our nature to speculate.;)

They are able to delve into the genetics of the virus, they know when it changes. Something to do with lipid profiles but it's over my head. It's amazing though.