Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

The_Brood

The_Brood wrote: »

If you're not angry yet, get angry.

Russia has the vaccine, and instead of playing hide and seek with restrictions and ruining prople's lives, we should be lining up to get it and end this quarantine nightmare.

Only public anger will force them to act.

I would take it soon to stop this.

The government message is too unclear to be sustainable.

Zero covid policy is clear. We get th numbers down. We quarantine people coming in. We revert to normality except people for the most part stay in Ireland until a vaccine. You could sell that to people. Not this mishmash of contradictions. Its not policy but a knee jerk reaction to increases.

is_that_so

MY BAD wrote: »

I'm a bit confused. So only gatherings of 15 outdoor but 15 vs 15 GAA players plus subs and coaches is okay? Those this mean 50 people can still gather indoors for a mass, wedding, and restaurant? It's not very clear or making sense?

The wedding thing is most likely on account of the notice required and they can't just cancel every wedding from a press conference. MM did say mention that notice.

smurgen

TheRiverman wrote: »

Kildare,Meat plants and Glanbia ?
Dublin socialising ?
Tipperary and Limerick, Walsh Mushrooms ?

Dublin has alot of food production too. Isn't Keelings based there?

smelly sock

Kildare is bollixed

Stheno

is_that_so wrote: »

The wedding thing is most likely on account of the notice required and they can't just cancel every wedding from a press conference. MM did say mention that notice.

They did precisely that in March

celt262

is_that_so wrote: »

The wedding thing is most likely on account of the notice required and they can't just cancel every wedding from a press conference. MM did say mention that notice.

Didnt stop them previously.

is_that_so

Oranage2 wrote: »

If people follow the rules, the factories get checks and there's no outbreaks from schools going back then it might be okay. Though it's slim to none all this happening

It is still all about the schools and the do want to open them.

Clonmel1000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would take it soon to stop this.

The government message is too unclear to be sustainable.

Zero covid policy is clear. We get th numbers down. We quarantine people coming in. We revert to normality except people for the most part stay in Ireland until a vaccine. You could sell that to people. Not this mishmash of contradictions. Its not policy but a knee jerk reaction to increases.

For how long?

digzy

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

yourdeadwright

If I'm out for a walk with the dog and see a football match in the local park can I stand there and watch or will I be asked to keep walking? And who will police that?

MrMusician18

Deleted User wrote: »

What is important is what makes logical sense. And stopping outdoor sports events from having a tiny number of spectators in a safe environment makes absolutely no sense. Especially in the light of 50 allowed to attend indoor weddings. You only need 5 people for a wedding

How many weddings are you likely to attend this year? How many sporting fixtures? I'll bet the latter if much larger than the former.

People have not been distancing at sports events. I've seen it myself. Given that this is a relatively inconsequential decision, it was bound to happen. All the nice things will be sacrificed if it means the schools can open.

While the restrictions may seem contradictory, the restrictions are not meant to be compared to one another. The goal is to reduce the overall number of gatherings taking place. A €9 meal doesn't make you immune to covid but having that restriction in place reduces the overall number of gatherings taking place in the country.

I think this nuance has been completely lost in the messaging tbf.

fleet_admiral

Am I right in reading that pubs trading with food have been extended to half 11?
Maybe our pleas have been heard

is_that_so

Stheno wrote: »

They did precisely that in March

Yeah but they shut everything down then and this is not March. Martin did say they were trying to get a balance with this announcement and penalising hotels,/pubs was not part of the plan.

smelly sock

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If I'm out for a walk with the dog and see a football match in the local park can I stand there and watch or will I be asked to keep walking? And who will police that?

Walk by the match with your eyes closed I presume.

Clonmel1000

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

High in Tipp and Limerick, are cities out for lockdown like Dublin and Limerick?

We need control and a clear message about travel, testing at airports, borders and ports etc.,

Travel isn’t a problem but anyway best have someone to blame them bloody foreigners.

Oranage2

is_that_so wrote: »

It is still all about the schools and the do want to open them.

I agree theyre hellbent on doing it. If they open then close them again there'll be riots

s1ippy

Oranage2 wrote: »

Where's ACE, I need a breakdown.

At a match, and I'm having a breakdown if you want to join me

deise08

Mm clearly said they didn't take the NEPHET advice for weddings.. Dr Rónan clearly stated after it that they said 6 indoors.. No unity there between them. Totally over ruled.

normanoffside

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If I'm out for a walk with the dog and see a football match in the local park can I stand there and watch or will I be asked to keep walking? And who will police that?

6 months imprisonment would be too good for you.

Psychiatric Patrick

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

High in Tipp and Limerick, are cities out for lockdown like Dublin and Limerick?

We need control and a clear message about travel, testing at airports, borders and ports etc.,

I heard there was a party at a house near the university in Limerick and many people there got infected.

Poorside

digzy wrote: »

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

Do you want to close supermarkets as well?

MrMusician18

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If I'm out for a walk with the dog and see a football match in the local park can I stand there and watch or will I be asked to keep walking? And who will police that?

This is a problem with attitude and it's one of the reasons why this has happened. If there is no one to police it or no punishment people won't follow the simple instructions. You move on yourself is the answer.

That's what has led us to this point.

fleet_admiral

Oranage2 wrote: »

I agree theyre hellbent on doing it. If they open then close them again there'll be riots

I still haven't bought uniforms, tracksuits or books. Im getting constant emails from the school saying opening is going ahead. Ill see next week

pc7

digzy wrote: »

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

They’ll just go up north, or take coke

Arghus

Leo has already leaked it to the media that there were "differences" between himself and MM at the cabinet meeting today. Handily enough he's neglected to mention what those differences were.

"The most skilful, the most devious, and the most cunning of them all." springs to mind.

Wolf359f

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If I'm out for a walk with the dog and see a football match in the local park can I stand there and watch or will I be asked to keep walking? And who will police that?

Just look away, you're not a spectator by definition if you don't look at it!!!!
But if you sit down with a sandwich, it would be like in a restaurant, which are safer than outdoors.......
Mental situation.

Clonmel1000

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

For how long?

As MM said today until we get a vaccine.

Which would you prefer strict lockdown and then relative normality with no travel or this vagueness for 12-18 months.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rte.ie/amp/1159804/&ved=2ahUKEwjV2uLvpKXrAhXhZxUIHbQ-DZAQ0PADegQIDBAP&usg=AOvVaw3wghzgsd8JUoC8DvpnSn7p&ampcf=1

Not much chance us doing that anytime soon.

normanoffside

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Travel isn’t a problem but anyway best have someone to blame them bloody foreigners.

Even better to blame Irish people who have the Gall to go abroad for holiday. The cheek of them, who do they think they are?
We should all be in Arklow or Salthill except the pubs are closed and we are no not advised to go to hotels...

Turtwig

MrMusician18 wrote: »

How many weddings are you likely to attend this year? How many sporting fixtures? I'll bet the latter if much larger than the former.
...

I think this nuance has been completely lost in the messaging tbf.

Fair points. Hadn't considered the wedding frequency in this at all.

The messaging today was dire. Gonna do more harm than good imo.

hynesie08

Arghus wrote: »

Leo has already leaked it to the media that there were "differences" between himself and MM at the cabinet meeting today. Handily enough he's neglected to mention what those differences were.

"The most skilful, the most devious, and the most cunning of them all." springs to mind.

I don't think Leo will have the FG support he thinks he will have if he tries any sort of no confidence vote. At the very least I think o'donoghue and Coveney are happy to ride this out with their heads below the pulpit.....

Oranage2

MrMusician18 wrote: »

How many weddings are you likely to attend this year? How many sporting fixtures? I'll bet the latter if much larger than the former.

People have not been distancing at sports events. I've seen it myself. Given that this is a relatively inconsequential decision, it was bound to happen. All the nice things will be sacrificed if it means the schools can open.

While the restrictions may seem contradictory, the restrictions are not meant to be compared to one another. The goal is to reduce the overall number of gatherings taking place. A €9 meal doesn't make you immune to covid but having that restriction in place reduces the overall number of gatherings taking place in the country.

I think this nuance has been completely lost in the messaging tbf.

If they just said that in the beginning instead of their going to war rally cries we'd have unstood the message.

Reduce gatherings and restrict your circle of people to 6 whilst maintaining social distancing and wearing a face mask if possible

spookwoman

Hospital statistics 16/08/2020

Total number of cases 27,309 +52

Total number hospitalised 3,388 +1

Total number admitted to ICU 441 -1

Total number of deaths 1,517 +1

Total number of healthcare workers 8,510 +9

Number clusters notified 2,496 -1

Cases associated with clusters 14,852 +12
Median age 47 same

Gender
Female 15395 +25

Male 11884 +27

Unknown 30 same

snowgal

Ok so the 6 indoors is only for social gatherings then? So classes, cinema and Events Of 50 indoors that are controlled can continue is my understanding?

normanoffside

Arghus wrote: »

Leo has already leaked it to the media that there were "differences" between himself and MM at the cabinet meeting today. Handily enough he's neglected to mention what those differences were.

"The most skilful, the most devious, and the most cunning of them all." springs to mind.

It doesn't take a genius, MM hangs himself out to dry every time he speaks.

That's my first time watching an MM press conference, honestly Trump and Boris make more sense.

normanoffside

snowgal wrote: »

Ok so the 6 indoors is only for social gatherings then? So classes, cinema and Events Of 50 indoors that are controlled can continue is my understanding?

All business can continue as before. New measures are just for social gatherings.

The Unbearables

Terrible numbers yet again

podgeandrodge

MOR316 wrote: »

Closing time of 11:30pm for bars?

Nice to have that half hour back. Extra stout

Much as I will be glad to have that extra half hour back when I go to the pub on Friday, I have to say that even by messing around in terms of changes of 30 minutes or an hour makes them look like complete muppets. They may as well have just left it at normal closing 11.30/12.30 weekends.

podgeandrodge

statesaver wrote: »

Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aUoSvA2buw

42 minutes , jeez he can't string a decent sentence together. Blaming health advisors by saying he took their advice, bit can't explain the rationale himself. Haven't watched these briefings lately but he is seriously poor at instilling any confidence. Can't stand Veradkar but he's miles ahead of this.

Oranage2

Oranage2 wrote: »

If they just said that in the beginning instead of their going to war rally cries we'd have unstood the message.

Reduce gatherings and restrict your circle of people to 6 whilst maintaining social distancing and wearing a face mask if possible

They have messed up. This is seen and rightly so as policy failure. Its a fudge and the message is too unclear for anyone to understand. I think there will be another lockdown in September. When was the last time the r rate was below 1?

The Unbearables

digzy wrote: »

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

Way overdue now.

Patser

The wedding thing is simple. They locked down Kildare, Offaly and Laois with 4 hours notice, leading to weddings being cancelled the night before. Awful optics, and hoteliers on TV pointing out how hard it was to call all involved (especially Brides) saying everything cancelled after ll was set up.

Govt weren't going to make that PR disaster again, instead they just blurred up their message

Leftwaffe

The Unbearables wrote: »

Terrible numbers yet again

You've been great the last couple of hours, it has made this all a bit more bearable.

Psychiatric Patrick

Oranage2 wrote: »

I agree theyre hellbent on doing it. If they open then close them again there'll be riots

If kids can go to school then everything should be fine. Why are they going to school if hey are not safe?

Wolf359f

normanoffside wrote: »

All business can continue as before. New measures are just for social gatherings.

Gyms are restricted, 6 in an exercise class. That's hardly a social gathering.

fleet_admiral

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Much as I will be glad to have that extra half hour back when I go to the pub on Friday, I have to say that even by messing around in terms of changes of 30 minutes or an hour makes them look like complete muppets. They may as well have just left it at normal closing 11.30/12.30 weekends.

They have begged to do that since the madness of half 10 closing was introduced. This is a compromise we have to accept

Arghus

hynesie08 wrote: »

I don't think Leo will have the FG support he thinks he will have if he tries any sort of no confidence vote. At the very least I think o'donoghue and Coveney are happy to ride this out with their heads below the pulpit.....

I doubt it'll come to that, but I think he's cutely enough hinting to be at odds with MM when there's bad news about to be dished out.

I must say watching his and Simon Harris have their political reputations completely rehabilitated in the eyes of the users of boards is amazing to see.

Three months ago, according to the permanently irate on here, Leo was a clown who didn't have a clue what he was at and wanted to bankrupt the country and Simon Harris was a condescending pain in the arse who didn't even go to college. Now they're heroes whose good work is being squandered by MM - who is a clown, who doesn't have a clue what he's at and wants to bankrupt the country....

celt262

Wolf359f wrote: »

Gyms are restricted, 6 in an exercise class. That's hardly a social gathering.

Dont think they though any of them things through.

podgeandrodge

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

What about non food pub openings, is that pushed back?

Does food pubs then serve "food" until 90 mins before closing?

Morrison J wrote: »

Still 105 minute limit per table so the extra half hour is literally irrelevant to everyone bar the restaurants themselves who may be able to take an extra table and make more money in a difficult time. Don't see any issue with that at all.

thomas 123 wrote: »

Also whats with "restaurants" getting a 30 min extension on closing time, hard to believe experts discusses such a thing, who orders dinner at 10PM??

As has been clarified previously, 105 minute deadline only applies if they can't do 2m distancing.

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

MM getting lots of credit in my whatsapp group this evening.

He’s leveling with the people and seems more on top of his brief.

I was overly critical early doors with him. Head and shoulders over the last clown to hold the office.

Honorable mention to Eamon Ryan too. He has steadied himself after that below the belt ambush from Catherine Martin which she ended up losing

Sounds like your WhatsApp group is your self and The Unbareables

yourdeadwright

MrMusician18 wrote: »

This is a problem with attitude and it's one of the reasons why this has happened. If there is no one to police it or no punishment people won't follow the simple instructions. You move on yourself is the answer.

That's what has led us to this point.

Yes 100% it me asking a question that has lead to a world wide pandemic, Sorry about that folks