Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Coillte_Bhoy

digzy wrote: »

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

Nonsense, but hey prohibition always works well, not to mention hopping across the border

statesaver

digzy wrote: »

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

Fcuk off, puritans

Coillte_Bhoy

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Yes 100% it me asking a question that has lead to a world wide pandemic, Sorry about that folks

Apology accepted, fair play to you. Hows thing in Wuhan these days?

ForestFire

normanoffside wrote: »

All business can continue as before. New measures are just for social gatherings.

Not quite, they clearly said (Well a clear as anything else they said, I suppose) that Gyms should be limited to 6 per class (Not sure if it just an open Gym), Summer camps to 15 kids only, indoor training limit to 6. Cimemas was not clarified.

Also from RTE website:-

Training sessions should follow the rule of six people indoors and 15 outdoors.

Children's summer camps can continue, but should be kept to the same group of 15 children. (outdoors I presume, not sure what happens if you need to do any events indoors)

Gyms can remain open but no more than six people will be allowed in an exercise class at any given time.

Wolf359f

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

If kids can go to school then everything should be fine. Why are they going to school if hey are not safe?

From my understanding and I'll admit it's hard getting facts. But kids under 10-12 don't tend to spread the virus (via coughing/sneezing) as much as those over 12. The majority of kids getting infected is from an adult.
Hence the remark about lunchboxes being the key thing to sanitise (kids eating and touching the lunchbox etc...)

Arghus

Arghus wrote: »

I doubt it'll come to that, but I think he's cutely enough hinting to be at odds with MM when there's bad news about to be dished out.

I must say watching his and Simon Harris have their political reputations completely rehabilitated in the eyes of the users of boards is amazing to see.

Three months ago, according to the permanently irate on here, Leo was a clown who didn't have a clue what he was at and wanted to bankrupt the country and Simon Harris was a condescending pain in the arse who didn't even go to college. Now they're heroes whose good work is being squandered by MM - who is a clown, who doesn't have a clue what he's at and wants to bankrupt the country....

Yes the optics of it are not good for current ministers.

Oranage2

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

If kids can go to school then everything should be fine. Why are they going to school if hey are not safe?

I don't agree with it either, it's shortsighted thinking this will fix things. They need a plan, they need to relay this plan to the public. Not babble their way through a 40 minute press conference saying things need to be 6 and 15. They needed to Inspire people to believe this 6 and 15 was for the good of the nation and that it was needed by giving us examples, what they came out with today was just nonsense.

hynesie08

Arghus wrote: »

I doubt it'll come to that, but I think he's cutely enough hinting to be at odds with MM when there's bad news about to be dished out.

I must say watching his and Simon Harris have their political reputations completely rehabilitated in the eyes of the users of boards is amazing to see.

Three months ago, according to the permanently irate on here, Leo was a clown who didn't have a clue what he was at and wanted to bankrupt the country and Simon Harris was a condescending pain in the arse who didn't even go to college. Now they're heroes whose good work is being squandered by MM - who is a clown, who doesn't have a clue what he's at and wants to bankrupt the country....

The George Bush/Rudy giulliani metric, handle a crisis with calm and measured speeches and people will overlook you bombing women and children/introducing a broken window policy that unfairly targets minorities.

ChikiChiki

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes the optics of it are not good for current ministers.

It's was clear as daylight from that press conference that more time was spent arguing today between the various parties than ensuring the message to be delivered to the public was clear and coherent.

Deusexmachina

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Just back from a trip to Rome. Great atmosphere, everyone enjoying the lovely weather, great restaurants and bars.

Everything operating normally including all the museums and historic buildings/ monuments (with good adherence to sensible Covid 19 restrictions everywhere).

Lower instances of Covid than here, though they had it very tough earlier in the year.

Seems we have become a bit overwrought. Time for calm thinking and a longer term strategy that doesn’t shift each fortnight.

Rome had it no worse than here

What Username Guidelines

https://twitter.com/drwilliambehan/status/1295790899155415043?s=21

khalessi

Wolf359f wrote: »

From my understanding and I'll admit it's hard getting facts. But kids under 10-12 don't tend to spread the virus (via coughing/sneezing) as much as those over 12. The majority of kids getting infected is from an adult.
Hence the remark about lunchboxes being the key thing to sanitise (kids eating and touching the lunchbox etc...)

This is incorrect. South Korea study showed that children 10 years + can transmit virus as easily as adults. Mike Ryan of WHO referred to this when talking to Sarah McInerney, saying that children 10-12 and teens could spread it as easily as adults so had to be responsible for their behaviour re sd hand hygiene etc.

Another study on the nasal contents showed that children 0-5yrs had the same amount if not more coronavirus in their noses as adults and coudl spread it as easily.

THere is no difference between a kid in 6th class and a kid in 1st year except one has to wear a mask adn the other doesn't

There have multiple other studies and reports too of children catching and spreading it.

THis is being ignored as the government need the schools open to prove they can open them and also to get the economy going again.

trixi001

Morrison J wrote: »

99% of comments being about people not being able to attend sports matches is so typical. People completely losing track of what's actually important. Same thing as the narrative for the last 3 months being about whether people can go on holidays or not. Ridiculous where people's priorities lie tbh.

The schools are whats important now and it's clear they are trying to reduce community transmission so the virus doesn't get into schools and force them to shut down. I love sport but in the grand scheme of things it can rightly take a back seat in terms of priority/importance.

The schools are only one element of what is important - no point in having schools open if people can't feed their children (Parents could be publicans, taxi drivers etc), or if every teacher is off with depression.

Not everyone going abroad is going abroad is going on holidays - some people are living here, and there families all live abroad, they want to go and see them

The economy matters, all health matters, covid matters - all are interlinked

Sport is good for people - we have spent years telling people to exercise more - and now we are trying to restrict exercise

Same as pubs being able to serve food without a restaurant licence - has food hygiene gone out the window - food poisoning doesn't matter - covid is the only illness that's important!

The problem with the response to covid - is that it isn't looking at all elements of health, stopping cancer screenings, limiting access to GP's, no "routine" surgeries, and the massive impact on mental health - what is the long term implications of these?

The economy has crashed - what is the long term implication of this? There is a very clear link between poverty and poor health.

Schools are very important - but not isolation - what is the point in children getting a good education if there is nothing for them when they finish school?

I think there needs to be a body set up to analyse all the relevant information (not just the health side of it), and come up with a bespoke response, and stop looking at things in isolation.

Every announcement about restrictions should come with an announcement about what new financial support is available, to help those affected by restriction, not just a generic comment, saying support may be available and then announced later. (KOL restrictions came into effect on the 8th, support measures announced 14th), pubs have been closed for 186 days, 50 days since food pubs opened, and no additional support offered for the pubs.
Making joint up announcements would help mental health too!

normanoffside

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

https://twitter.com/drwilliambehan/status/1295790899155415043?s=21

Good to see the media are turning

MickeyLeari

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

High in Tipp and Limerick, are cities out for lockdown like Dublin and Limerick?

We need control and a clear message about travel, testing at airports, borders and ports etc.,

What is the rationale for your obsession about travel? ECDC have said this is not a major issue and the Irish figures confirm this.

Ten of Swords

The Unbearables wrote: »

I'm not "doing" anything

Stop the trolling and the one-liners now, only warning

JP Liz V1

MickeyLeari wrote: »

What is the rationale for your obsession about travel? ECDC have said this is not a major issue and the Irish figures confirm this.

I wasn't suggesting Tipp and Limerick cases are from travel but as other countries are getting stricter on travel we should too, we have cases from holidayers returning not quarantining and spreading

thomas 123

thomas 123 wrote: »

Have you driven past a Gaa field on a Saturday, our local under 14 games(looks like Blitzes) are drawing what looks like well over 200 people.

Still a far safer environment that 50 indoors at a wedding, restaurant, bar or anywhere else indoors

obi604

So no one allowed at gaa matches.

I presume training for gaa is fine. Thinking of my kids Under 7 etc, will they be allowed train etc.

froog

digzy wrote: »

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

JP Liz V1

Wolf359f wrote: »

From my understanding and I'll admit it's hard getting facts. But kids under 10-12 don't tend to spread the virus (via coughing/sneezing) as much as those over 12. The majority of kids getting infected is from an adult.
Hence the remark about lunchboxes being the key thing to sanitise (kids eating and touching the lunchbox etc...)

Was the recent Meath creche cases not from kids?

digzy

digzy wrote: »

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

What about the vast majority who enjoy a drink or two at home complying with all guidelines?

Dealers would love it though

owlbethere

It was young slappers who partied it up in Berlin in Dublin at the weekend and the governments response is to restrict the over 70s. Where is the sense in that? Why is our government still allowing tourists to come in from hotspots. We have no border controls and now they are going to hammer down on the over 70s.

TheRiverman

Surely outdoor events and sport behind closed doors are separate.How can a GAA,Soccer,Rugby matches etc take place without full teams,subs,Manager,team doctors,referees,linesmen,umpires and stewards from the pitch/stadium where the matches are taking place ?

ElTel

BattleCorp wrote: »

The system can process 100K tests maybe but it's a different story going to each and every meat factory and taking the tests on a weekly basis. So that might involve going to hundreds or even over 1000 sites each week to collect samples. Not an easy job.

Agreed. Could we perhaps trial a system that relies on a saliva sample?
For example the plant/factory health and safety officer/doctor oversees the collection of saliva samples into sterilized bottles and they get couriered to lab.

growleaves

Italy's PM is now officially under investigation for enforcing a nationwide lockdown in Italy against the advice of Italy's scientific committee

According to what is read in a note from the Presidency of the Council, this notice communicates the transmission to the Court of Ministers of the acts of a proceeding originating from various complaints from subjects from various parts of Italy for epidemic crimes, culpable crimes against health, manslaughter, abuse of office, attack against the Constitution, attack against the political rights of the citizen (articles 110, 438, 452 and 589, 323, 283, 294 of the Penal Code).

Beechwoodspark

Again no flight bans from hotspots ?

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

How many weddings are you likely to attend this year? How many sporting fixtures? I'll bet the latter if much larger than the former.

People have not been distancing at sports events. I've seen it myself. Given that this is a relatively inconsequential decision, it was bound to happen. All the nice things will be sacrificed if it means the schools can open.

While the restrictions may seem contradictory, the restrictions are not meant to be compared to one another. The goal is to reduce the overall number of gatherings taking place. A €9 meal doesn't make you immune to covid but having that restriction in place reduces the overall number of gatherings taking place in the country.

I think this nuance has been completely lost in the messaging tbf.

Small gatherings outdoors are about the lowest risk environment groups of people can congregate in, and the effect of preventing them will be negligible.

Oranage2

TheRiverman wrote: »

Surely outdoor events and sport behind closed doors are separate.How can a GAA,Soccer,Rugby matches etc take place without full teams,subs,Manager,team doctors,referees,linesmen,umpires and stewards from the pitch/stadium where the matches are taking place ?

Probably all allowed, they said they didn't want 330 people at a match instead of say 30.

Oranage2

Oranage2 wrote: »

I don't agree with it either, it's shortsighted thinking this will fix things. They need a plan, they need to relay this plan to the public. Not babble their way through a 40 minute press conference saying things need to be 6 and 15. They needed to Inspire people to believe this 6 and 15 was for the good of the nation and that it was needed by giving us examples, what they came out with today was just nonsense.

We are seriously lacking leadership.

This will change nothing.

Psychiatric Patrick

Wolf359f wrote: »

From my understanding and I'll admit it's hard getting facts. But kids under 10-12 don't tend to spread the virus (via coughing/sneezing) as much as those over 12. The majority of kids getting infected is from an adult.
Hence the remark about lunchboxes being the key thing to sanitise (kids eating and touching the lunchbox etc...)

So they'll still be able to visit their Nana?

froog

growleaves wrote: »

Italy's PM is now officially under investigation for enforcing a nationwide lockdown in Italy against the advice of Italy's scientific committee

Covid related litigation is going to be another epidemic over the next 10 years.

MickeyLeari

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I wasn't suggesting Tipp and Limerick cases are from travel but as other countries are getting stricter on travel we should too, we have cases from holidayers returning not quarantining and spreading

The reasons for the increases in cases are directly in the control of Govt and were known risks.

Dept of Health and HSE - testing Contact tracing was prematurely scaled back.

HSE and Dept of Housing - Roma and traveller accommodation

HSE and Dept of Justice - Direct Provision

HSE, HSA and D/ Agriculture - Meat/food processing.

NPHET - messaging

Govt - all of the above.

I agree with a more coherent policy to enable safe travel with targeted and random testing but the focus on travel has been a distraction. Travel has not been a significant cause of these particular cases.

ExMachina1000

statesaver wrote: »

Fcuk off, puritans

Just leaked from Hugh O Connoll (indo)

Government drawing up plans for off licence sale limits and new restrictions.

2 bottles of wine a week but only one on a day. Must bring back empty bottle with a one off barcode before getting the next one.

2 cans of middle level beers per day with similar restrictions to wine. Ie no more until verified empties returned.

(All returns recycled)

Friday-Sunday only

JP Liz V1

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Again no flight bans from hotspots ?

No watching a local sporting event but travel in and out of any country you want, a Kildare TD from SD had a two week holiday in Spain

Gods Gift

A cluster in the midlands and they lockdown 3 counties. There’s a pretty big cluster in Texas and I know of people who arrived on a flight from there last week.

Texas is a cluster fcuk.

Strumms

trixi001 wrote: »

The schools are only one element of what is important - no point in having schools open if people can't feed their children (Parents could be publicans, taxi drivers etc), or if every teacher is off with depression.

Mental health again :rolleyes:

Sport is good for people - we have spent years telling people to exercise more - and now we are trying to restrict exercise

You don’t need a gym or a bike to exercise..

Same as pubs being able to serve food without a restaurant licence - has food hygiene gone out the window - food poisoning doesn't matter - covid is the only illness that's important!

Food poisoning kills not many, covid IS killing quite a few.

The problem with the response to covid - is that it isn't looking at all elements of health, stopping cancer screenings, limiting access to GP's, no "routine" surgeries, and the massive impact on mental health - what is the long term implications of these?

No limit to GP access, if you NEED a doctor you will have access to one.

The economy has crashed - what is the long term implication of this? There is a very clear link between poverty and poor health.

Economy will recover, some covid patients won’t.

Schools are very important - but not isolation - what is the point in children getting a good education if there is nothing for them when they finish school?

When they finish school, there is life, life goes on, life doesn’t go on for everyone who gets covid.

I think there needs to be a body set up to analyse all the relevant information (not just the health side of it), and come up with a bespoke response, and stop looking at things in isolation.

Every announcement about restrictions should come with an announcement about what new financial support is available, to help those affected by restriction, not just a generic comment, saying support may be available and then announced later. (KOL restrictions came into effect on the 8th, support measures announced 14th), pubs have been closed for 186 days, 50 days since food pubs opened, and no additional support offered for the pubs.
Making joint up announcements would help mental health too!

Pubspubs pubs, more to life then pubs !u

Reply in bold....

MickeyLeari

MickeyLeari wrote: »

The reasons for the increases in cases are directly in the control of Govt and were known risks.

Dept of Health and HSE - testing Contact tracing was prematurely scaled back.

HSE and Dept of Housing - Roma and traveller accommodation

HSE and Dept of Justice - Direct Provision

HSE, HSA and D/ Agriculture - Meat/food processing.

NPHET - messaging

Govt - all of the above.

I agree with a more coherent policy to enable safe travel with targeted and random testing but the focus on this has been a distraction.

Maybe someone can enlighten me but I have a feeling all contact tracing is here is a call to ask who have been your contacts in the last 48 hours. Every effort should be made to trace the case back to source, to join up the outbreaks. I don’t believe this happens.

calgary bound

The initial of the TD who traveled on holiday to Spain in July are BC!!

Wolf359f

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

So they'll still be able to visit their Nana?

Their Nana could be in their mid 40's lol.

John O.Groats

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

No watching a local sporting event but travel in and out of any country you want, a Kildare TD from SD had a two week holiday in Spain

Who is that? Actually scratch that. There is only 1 SD TD in Kildare, a high profile one too. If this is true it`s a sham in the current climate.

Thierry12

MickeyLeari wrote: »

The reasons for the increases in cases are directly in the control of Govt and were known risks.

Dept of Health and HSE - testing Contact tracing was prematurely scaled back.

HSE and Dept of Housing - Roma and traveller accommodation

HSE and Dept of Justice - Direct Provision

HSE, HSA and D/ Agriculture - Meat/food processing.

NPHET - messaging

Govt - all of the above.

Elect clowns

Get a circus

MickeyLeari

John O.Groats wrote: »

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

No watching a local sporting event but travel in and out of any country you want, a Kildare TD from SD had a two week holiday in Spain[/QUOTE]

Who is that?

Is it anyone’s business?

Postgrad10

What’s the R(0) ?

owlbethere

owlbethere wrote: »

It was young slappers who partied it up in Berlin in Dublin at the weekend and the governments response is to restrict the over 70s. Where is the sense in that? Why is our government still allowing tourists to come in from hotspots. We have no border controls and now they are going to hammer down on the over 70s.

Border control is why our cases have went from 7 a day to now.

The government are treating us like fools.

We did the hard work with severe lockdown.

Were was the reward for that?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rte.ie/amp/1159804/&ved=2ahUKEwjV2uLvpKXrAhXhZxUIHbQ-DZAQ0PADegQIDBAP&usg=AOvVaw3wghzgsd8JUoC8DvpnSn7p&ampcf=1

People in Wuhan were rewarded for there lockdown.

And to think I used to feel sorry for people in Wuhan in January. The innocence...

rosiem

MickeyLeari wrote: »

John O.Groats wrote: »

Is it anyone’s business?

I don’t think it’s true no Kildare TD has said this ??

Lundstram

Is it me or does anyone else think it was a bit mental changing Taoiseach and Health Minister right smack bang in the middle of a global pandemic?

Str8outtaWuhan

John O.Groats wrote: »

Who is that?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/social-democrats-councillor-hugely-regrets-going-on-holiday-to-spain-for-two-weeks-39459303.html

mean gene

Lundstram wrote: »

Is it me or does anyone else think it was a bit mental changing Taoiseach and Health Minister right smack bang in the middle of a global pandemic?

Yip nuts

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

Is it me or does anyone else think it was a bit mental changing Taoiseach and Health Minister right smack bang in the middle of a global pandemic?

History will not look kindly on it...