Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

spookwoman

Postgrad10 wrote: »

What’s the R(0) ?

Looking for more recent number but on the 7th it was about 1.8

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0806/1157731-covid-figures/

josip

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Again no flight bans from hotspots ?

No, none.
Weston, Clonbulloge and Erinagh all still open.
Shocking.

smelly sock

Lundstram wrote: »

Is it me or does anyone else think it was a bit mental changing Taoiseach and Health Minister right smack bang in the middle of a global pandemic?

That's democracy chicken.

TheRiverman

digzy wrote: »

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

I think there would be uproar if that happened. There are probably thousands of people who enjoy a few drinks at home without it being a party..
Unfortunately a minority of idiots just can't behave themselves.

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

Looking for more recent number but on the 7th it was about 1.8

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0806/1157731-covid-figures/

1.6

rosiem

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/social-democrats-councillor-hugely-regrets-going-on-holiday-to-spain-for-two-weeks-39459303.html

No TD mentioned in link as per original comment just a local councillor

Lundstram

smelly sock wrote: »

That's democracy chicken.

Democracy? Good one.

Gardaí will soon have the power to enter private homes and evict people if numbers are over 6.

Democracy my hole.

spookwoman

Deleted User wrote: »

1.6

Where did you get that

Strumms

I get nervous when I think where we’d be with Leo in charge, I’m not the greatest Martin fan, but fûck me... if we had to go through this with Leo and the rest of the FG corporate rent boys solely in charge the country might be in a heap...

rosiem

John O.Groats wrote: »

Who is that? Actually scratch that. There is only 1 SD TD in Kildare, a high profile one too. If this is true it`s a sham in the current climate.

It was not Catherine Murphy original poster should clarify it wasn’t a SD TD

Wolf359f

I wonder if we'll hear leaks about FG's view.
I know FF are gonna get alot of stick with this new restrictions. And I know the cabinet all have to agree with policy, collective cabinet etc... But surely FG will have to distance themselves from this **** show!

caveat emptor

owlbethere wrote: »

It was young slappers who partied it up in Berlin in Dublin at the weekend and the governments response is to restrict the over 70s. Where is the sense in that? Why is our government still allowing tourists to come in from hotspots. We have no border controls and now they are going to hammer down on the over 70s.

They are clearly dividing people to rule them.
If all the inter generational bickering continues two things will happen.

1: We will be in the exact same point this time next year.
2: Business interests contrary to public health will be happy.

At a certain point we need to realise that our Government is trying to please all of the people and ending up pissing everyone off.

Except the businesses that are dependent on open borders.

MM is a muppet and is playing into a trap laid by Leo. The fact he is playing politics at a time like this is disgusting. MM has picked the hill he is going to die in on in the shape of schools reopening. After all he is a teacher and cares about their development. His position however is untenable. You can’t simultaneously try to please vested interests and get schools open.

They’ll open, then they’ll close and there will be an election.
At which point Leo and Simon who threw a jerry wrench in the decision making process will ride in on their white horses and save us from calamity by standing up to big business and implementing zero covid.

Leo is playing chess , MM is playing checkers.
If anything like above transpires I’ll never vote for a single FG politician in my life again. MM doesn’t have a hope.

stephenjmcd

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1295785736223035399?s=19

theballz

It just feels like there is no end in sight for this

Arghus

growleaves wrote: »

Italy's PM is now officially under investigation for enforcing a nationwide lockdown in Italy against the advice of Italy's scientific committee

So I dug a little deeper on this, because, when you post a link, usually the headline doesn't tell the full story. Turns out it's more fake news.

If complaints are lodged by the public in Italy prosecuters are obliged to see if there's a potential criminal case that can be brought. That doesn't mean that there will be a criminal case, just that the validity of the complaints will be investigated. That appears to happen anytime anyone makes an official complaint about anything. It's not the same as a criminal investigation, it's totally different. And in this case prosecuters have already indicated that they consider the charges "unfounded" and should be dismissed.

John O.Groats

Lundstram wrote: »

Democracy? Good one.

Gardaí will soon have the power to enter private homes and evict people if numbers are over 6.

Democracy my hole.

Should have happened long ago. Hopefully legislation to enable this will be passed ASAP and it will be strictly enforced.

Wolf359f

Lundstram wrote: »

Democracy? Good one.

Gardaí will soon have the power to enter private homes and evict people if numbers are over 6.

Democracy my hole.

You mean Gardaí will soon have the power to enter private homes to enforce the law.
Don't know why they couldn't have a judge on call 24/7 to obtain warrants to enter homes where they fell and have evidence social distancing is not being adhered to.

Strumms

Schools reopening just won’t end well, sorry... it’s boneheaded.

What Username Guidelines

normanoffside wrote: »

Good to see the media are turning

He’s a GP telling the media, still good to see

josip

josip wrote: »

No, none.
Weston, Clonbulloge and Erinagh all still open.
Shocking.

Open so we can live with virus and the restriction put upon us.

It's actually disgusting. To expect people to live like this, yet people can fly into our country with abandon.

Austrailia were always good at border patrol. We are too fond of our cead mile failte.

Ll31

ElTel wrote: »

Agreed. Could we perhaps trial a system that relies on a saliva sample?
For example the plant/factory health and safety officer/doctor oversees the collection of saliva samples into sterilized bottles and they get couriered to lab.

Would you trust them?

Arghus

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1295785736223035399?s=19

I can't see that legislation being passed. Might just be talked about like the bogeyman.

JP Liz V1

rosiem wrote: »

It was not Catherine Murphy original poster should clarify it wasn’t a SD TD

Sorry not SD TD in the Dail but still SD member, with the government harping on of no non essential travel, staycation in Ireland and he takes off to Spain

caveat emptor

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Open so we can live with virus and the restriction put upon us.

It's actually disgusting. To expect people to live like this, yet people can fly into our country with abandon.

Austrailia were always good at border patrol. We are too fond of our cead mile failte.

You mean cead mile euro failte.

growleaves

Arghus wrote: »

So I dug a little deeper on this, because, when you post a link, usually the headline doesn't tell the full story. Turns out it's more fake news.

If complaints are lodged by the public in Italy prosecuters are obliged to see if there's a potential criminal case that can be brought. That doesn't mean that there will be a criminal case, just that the validity of the complaints will be investigated. That appears to happen anytime anyone makes an official complaint about anything. It's not the same as a criminal investigation, it's totally different. And in this case prosecuters have already indicated that they consider the charges "unfounded" and should be dismissed.

La Repubblica is a left-wing newspaper, should make you happy at least.

An official complaint is relevant news - it indicates there are people who are not happy with the policy, and a national newspaper carrying it indicates same.

Don't blame me for the headline, I'm not the subeditor who wrote it.

hmmm

Wolf359f wrote: »

You mean Gardaí will soon have the power to enter private homes to enforce the law.
Don't know why they couldn't have a judge on call 24/7 to obtain warrants to enter homes where they fell and have evidence social distancing is not being adhered to.

Yes. We're having more and more restrictions placed on everyone because of the actions of a few.

It's obvious in the neighbourhood when someone is having a house-party. Get a Guard in, count the number of people, give the owner a bill.

We need to knuckle down for a year until we get a vaccine. The people having these parties are not listening to flowery words from the Taoiseach, and clearly appeals to them to do their bit for the community are having no impact.

iamwhoiam

owlbethere wrote: »

It was young slappers who partied it up in Berlin in Dublin at the weekend and the governments response is to restrict the over 70s. Where is the sense in that? Why is our government still allowing tourists to come in from hotspots. We have no border controls and now they are going to hammer down on the over 70s.

Exactly . And the message sent out was “ ah its ok we will just tell the over 70’s to restrict their movements once again “

The virus is being spread by under 45’s and what did they do ? Ask the over 70’s to take the hit . I am furious over it if I am honest
Asking the vulnerable to restrict their movements while planes arrive from Texas and people can holiday in Italy .

Coillte_Bhoy

John O.Groats wrote: »

Should have happened long ago. Hopefully legislation to enable this will be passed ASAP and it will be strictly enforced.

asap with Oireachtas on holidays? :pac:

pjohnson

Lundstram wrote: »

Democracy? Good one.

Gardaí will soon have the power to enter private homes and evict people if numbers are over 6.

Democracy my hole.

If they are breaching the current guidelines then they deserve the eviction. Do you get upset when you hear about garda doing their jobs in general?

Non solum non ambulabit

Over 65s doing well to avoid this disease since end of May

JP Liz V1

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Exactly . And the message sent out was “ ah its ok we will just tell the over 70’s to restrict their movements once again “

The virus is being spread by under 45’s and what did they do ? Ask the over 70’s to take the hit . I am furious over it if I am honest

Hit them and or their parents if minors in their pockets with large fines

lawrencesummers

Arghus wrote: »

I can't see that legislation being passed. Might just be talked about like the bogeyman.

The legislation can’t be passed, or at least can’t be lawful because a referendum would be required to change the constitution.

Itssoeasy

Lundstram wrote: »

Is it me or does anyone else think it was a bit mental changing Taoiseach and Health Minister right smack bang in the middle of a global pandemic?

Well the caretaker government couldn't have gone on for ever so it would have had to change at some point.

I think the going into a house is a step that may be too far. What would the gardai have to see to deem it necessary to enter a premises ?

andrew1977

digzy wrote: »

It’s high time off licences were shut. No booze, no house parties

There would be a tailback of traffic from newry to ballybunion if they done that .

yourdeadwright

owlbethere wrote: »

It was young slappers who partied it up in Berlin in Dublin at the weekend and the governments response is to restrict the over 70s. Where is the sense in that? Why is our government still allowing tourists to come in from hotspots. We have no border controls and now they are going to hammer down on the over 70s.

You realise it's not a punishment? It's to try and save there life's

pjohnson

Strumms wrote: »

Schools reopening just won’t end well, sorry... it’s boneheaded.

It might get lucky for two weeks in some counties but Dublin ones will do well to last a week before having to shut.

The Unbearables

John O.Groats wrote: »

Should have happened long ago. Hopefully legislation to enable this will be passed ASAP and it will be strictly enforced.

The gardai need to be given every power to enforce it if required. We need to beat this virus off the streets or else our economy will be destroyed and our kids will never get back to school.

US2

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Over 65s doing well to avoid this disease since end of May

Every age group is doing well at avoid it since April/May ?

Eod100

Not sure if this was posted already but good piece here with overview of measures from Fergal Bowers here:

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/0818/1159930-analysis-fergal-bowers/

iamwhoiam

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Exactly . And the message sent out was “ ah its ok we will just tell the over 70’s to restrict their movements once again “

The virus is being spread by under 45’s and what did they do ? Ask the over 70’s to take the hit . I am furious over it if I am honest
Asking the vulnerable to restrict their movements while planes arrive from Texas and people can holiday in Italy .

The message is wrong. The policy is wrong. Airports/ports are the source of this. Our testing and tracing is average and quarantining/border control is bloody awful.

normanoffside

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Over 65s doing well to avoid this disease since end of May

Someone should have thought about protecting nursing homes before the end of April.

Leftwaffe

The Unbearables wrote: »

The gardai need to be given every power to enforce it if required. We need to beat this virus off the streets or else our economy will be destroyed and our kids will never get back to school.

I have some bad news for you.

caveat emptor

Arghus wrote: »

So I dug a little deeper on this, because, when you post a link, usually the headline doesn't tell the full story. Turns out it's more fake news.

If complaints are lodged by the public in Italy prosecuters are obliged to see if there's a potential criminal case that can be brought. That doesn't mean that there will be a criminal case, just that the validity of the complaints will be investigated. That appears to happen anytime anyone makes an official complaint about anything. It's not the same as a criminal investigation, it's totally different. And in this case prosecuters have already indicated that they consider the charges "unfounded" and should be dismissed.

Yeah it was probably someone from Ryanair trying to fvck up another country. The lockdown in italy was generally popular with high levels of compliance after the carnage in BERGAMO.

https://twitter.com/simoncalder/status/1291397680997060609?s=21

Itssoeasy

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The legislation can’t be passed, or at least can’t be lawful because a referendum would be required to change the constitution.

And the dail isn't back for four weeks I think so this wouldn't be enforceable for four weeks at least. I have to say some of the comments from the Taoiseach and the acting CMO weren't fair. MM said that people are acting as if the virus isn't here or words to that effect which I'm sorry is not what I'm seeing in cork city. There's more masks around and people are actively moving out of people's way to socially distant.

Arghus

growleaves wrote: »

La Repubblica is a left-wing newspaper, should make you happy at least.

An official complaint is relevant news - it indicates there are people who are not happy with the policy, and a national newspaper carrying it indicates same.

Don't blame me for the headline, I'm not the subeditor who wrote it.

You'd no problem posting it, without properly checking it.

Par for the course.

Martina1991

ElTel wrote:

Agreed. Could we perhaps trial a system that relies on a saliva sample? For example the plant/factory health and safety officer/doctor oversees the collection of saliva samples into sterilized bottles and they get couriered to lab.

Using a different sample type isn't going to aid capacity. They still have to be processed in the same laboratories that are short staffed and under resourced.

And you can't just start using saliva samples on existing equipment when they are validated for nasopharengyl swabs. It's like putting petrol in a diesel car.

Plumbthedepths

So no one can stand at the sidelines of a soccer/ Gaelic/ hurling pitch to watch a game in the open air, but 50 people can gather in a room some probably having travelled together eat and get pissed but because it's a wedding it's safe. Anyone that supports these measures care to explain the logic of the aforementioned.

Ll31

Have we seen evidence of transmission on public transport?

Eod100

Anyone else think these measures are unclear?

As in do the limits on number of people who can gather only affect private houses and matches? Are things like gigs, cinemas, theatres exempt? So can have 200 at outdoor gig but not 200 at a match?

expectationlost

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So no one can stand at the sidelines of a soccer/ Gaelic/ hurling pitch to watch a game in the open air, but 50 people can gather in a room some probably having travelled together eat and get pissed but because it's a wedding it's safe. Anyone that supports these measures care to explain the logic of the aforementioned.

pretty sure Martin was referring to a church and that its a constitutional issue.


they don't want you to go to weddings in a church but can't say you can't