Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

KrustyUCC

John O.Groats wrote: »

Are there any outdoor gyms in operation? I have yet to see one.

Outdoor classes really

Went by one in Limerick tonight

12 at the class

Eod100

road_high wrote: »

Of course you would...!

It's all speculation tbf so I'm more thinking out loud. Many on here didn't think there would be any new measures on Monday and saw how quickly things changed since. With this year you can't really rule anything out definitively. I wouldn't think it would be at scale of previous lockdown as in back to stage 1 but there may be last resort plans to have some nationwide measures as a way of suppressing virus if it came to it

Eod100

AdamD wrote: »

Still no medium term plan. So if we have a great 4 weeks, reduce the spread massively, what happens? We open things up and get back to the same place? This is utterly unsustainable. Interesting to see how hospitalisations go over the next 2 weeks because 19 people in hospital doesn't justify measures like this.

Will also be interesting to see the levels of compliance

Meant to be a resilience plan (think that's what they called it) for next 6/9 months out before 13th September afaik

polesheep

hmmm wrote: »

There's some good stats here:

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1295851284659044354

Nolan is effectively a retired MD and a university administrator. He shouldn't be within an ass's roar of any of this.

Goldengirl

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nope, into the office tomorrow morning on it.

The work from home where possible advise was always still current anyway

I thought they meant elderly and medically vulnerable , not your average person?

SeaBreezes

Akabusi wrote: »

It has gotten to the stage where we should just bite the bullet and get the virus on purpose. No I'm serious, anyone who is healthy and say between the ages of 18 and 45 could turn up to a designated centre in each county and be administered the virus. If a quarter our population got the virus at once say over a weekend, then we as country immediately go into a strict lockdown for 20 days, when we come out of it hey presto we have achieved herd imunity in a controlled manner thus protecting the vulnerable people of our nation.
People will say, its a crazy idea and there will be thousands of deaths and our hospitals will be overrun, i don't think so, I'd say the vast majority would have no symptoms and those that have symptoms will be mild. When the lockdown is over we as a country can then lift the restrictions and go about our normal business.
With the path we are going now, most of those people are going to get it anyway over the coming months and they will unwittingly pass it on to vulnerable people leading to more deaths and the misery will continue.

No. Average corinavirus immunity for a coronavirus is 9 months. We have no idea if this coronavirus is the same.but if you were to go by other coronaviruses... and we are only reaching the 9 month limit now.

Anecdotally and scientifically re-infection seems to be possible. And it maybe worse the 2nd time. None of this is scientifically proven and time will tell.

Hopefully, once you've had it thats it. But no-one knows for sure yet. Give it a year. Will know more in 12 months.
But in the meantime, better not to be the guinea pig.

polesheep

khalessi wrote: »

The problem with that plan is that a percentage would end up in ICU. Just think of the nurse who appeared before the Oireachtas describing her coronavirus experience as a patient and the after effects she is sufferiing months later

If that percentage can be managed, so what?

polesheep

Eod100 wrote: »

It's all speculation tbf so I'm more thinking out loud. Many on here didn't think there would be any new measures on Monday and saw how quickly things changed since. With this year you can't really rule anything out definitively. I wouldn't think it would be at scale of previous lockdown as in back to stage 1 but there may be last resort plans to have some nationwide measures as a way of suppressing virus if it came to it[/QUOTE]

Horse bolted.

CalamariFritti

caveat emptor wrote: »

Another nice strawman. Going into people's home without a warrant is unconstitutional as anyone would know.

But I digress. We are talking about evidence that the virus is not "travel related".

Feel free to answer the questions or bring up a totally unrelated point.

• How the fvck did it get here?
• Why did I stay at home for best part of two months
• Why weren't people arriving checked for the virus after our healthcare system
  struggled to deal with those who already contracted it?

See you this time next year for the same conversation.

I actually agree with you on all of that.

And that my fault I guess. Sorry if I barged into a different conversation and made an unrelated point. So much thread going on sometimes I lose track whats a lone statement and whats a conversation.

But on travel - didnt they its only 3% of the cases? Doesnt seem that big.

John O.Groats

Goldengirl wrote: »

es... and where is Cillian de Gascun recently?
Is he on holidays ?
I think not only are MM and SD out of their depth here , but also Glynn looked like a small boy lost on that podium.

We are indeed suffering from not only a change in political leadership , but also the authority that NPHET seemed to have under Tony Holohan .

He quite possiblyi is.

CalamariFritti

theballz wrote: »

Where do people think we really went wrong with this?

Stheno wrote: »

keeping borders open
Not protecting nursing homes
No enforced quarantine

You can add the meat factories to that.

Not that anyone would naturally assume meat factories should be a problem. But since it happened elsewhere many weeks ago...

Akabusi

SeaBreezes wrote: »

No. Average corinavirus immunity for a coronavirus is 9 months. We have no idea if this coronavirus is the same.but if you were to go by other coronaviruses... and we are only reaching the 9 month limit now.

Anecdotally and scientifically re-infection seems to be possible. And it maybe worse the 2nd time. None of this is scientifically proven and time will tell.

Hopefully, once you've had it thats it. But no-one knows for sure yet. Give it a year. Will know more in 12 months.
But in the meantime, better not to be the guinea pig.

Good point, if the 9 months is relevant to this one, then that might just keep us good until a vaccine hopefully comes along next year.

Atlantic Dawn

Akabusi wrote: »

Good point, if the 9 months is relevant to this one, then that might just keep us good until a vaccine hopefully comes along next year.

The budget in October will be fun waiting around for a vaccine with taxes to match.

CalamariFritti

Arghus wrote: »

All of this is true, as well as taking the eye off the ball in relation to meat factories and Direct Provision centres, but, also people have to take personal responsibility as well.

All of the reasons you've outlined are valid, but they're also things that are easy to point to - because they involve failings on the part of the state or other authorities, it absolves "us" - wider society - of any blame - but people have also flaunted regulations and advice so not every piece of blame can be laid at the feet of the authorities. For all their failings, a lot comes down to the actions of individuals too.

I disagree with you.

Of course some people have 'flaunted' some of the advice at times. But I cant see that being a big factor. In any case you need to let people have some social outlet.

If someone told me you could either go along with not going out or anywhere not meeting people concerts and all the rest of it for another couple of years or else you get the virus tomorrow I'd say I might take my chances with the virus.

iguana

KrustyUCC wrote: »

OK misunderstood that so

How could you possibly have misunderstood these new guidelines? They have been laid out so clearly and are sensible and coherent in every way!!!!;)

Akabusi

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The budget in October will be fun waiting around for a vaccine with taxes to match.

I'm more worried about peoples mental health, this is going to be a dreadful winter. Higher taxes, unemployment, flu, Covid, isolation, homelessness all hitting different parts of our society. Hopefully we get a mild winter and the vaccine/treatments continue to progress.

caveat emptor

Akabusi wrote: »

The way we are going, you will end up getting it anyhow. BTW I did get it back in March and it was very mild.

Thanks for divulging. Some were not so lucky. I wish you many happy returns.

spookwoman

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I disagree with you.

Of course some people have 'flaunted' some of the advice at times. But I cant see that being a big factor. In any case you need to let people have some social outlet.

If someone told me you could either go along with not going out or anywhere not meeting people concerts and all the rest of it for another couple of years or else you get the virus tomorrow I'd say I might take my chances with the virus.

That is your choice but what about the time between you getting infected and finding out, are you 100% positive you will not infect anyone else and if you do what about their choice to not become infected.

It's not all about what you want.

caveat emptor

Akabusi wrote: »

I'm more worried about peoples mental health, this is going to be a dreadful winter. Higher taxes, unemployment, flu, Covid, isolation, homelessness all hitting different parts of our society. Hopefully we get a mild winter and the vaccine/treatments continue to progress.

Given that you got it you presume it confers immunity, hence your position and worry about mental health.
I worry about physical health just as much as mental health.
Your health is your wealth as they say.

Goldengirl

Eod100 wrote: »

I'm no FF fan (or FG) but if FG are playing politics with this, they're acting the maggot. They're in government together. Do all the politicing in the world in advance of next election but need a stable government with a coherent message.

Trying to portray FF as the baddies when Cabinet agreed is daft.

Maybe the cabinet didn't agree though ?
And FF are the baddies here?
Why don't they close the meat factories down until they get their house in order?
Why are weddings going ahead until end of August?Surely it will be just as bad having to cancel then as now?
I think their priorities are skewed here.

SeaBreezes

Akabusi wrote: »

Good point, if the 9 months is relevant to this one, then that might just keep us good until a vaccine hopefully comes along next year.

Fingers crossed!

Charles Babbage

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Young people and house parties get the blame, meat factories and direct provision let off the hook. There is legislation to control the workplace which was flouted the state is responsible for conditions in direct provision. Yet it was the young and their natural desire to socialise that gets the blame. Fair play to whom ever in government that managed to shift the focus. Excellent job.

Well they have announced routine testing in meat factories and direct provision, so they may become less important, and the delinquent youth may become more important in transmission.
Perhaps people with illegal parties will send everyone for testing.

Beasty

Akabusi wrote: »

If a quarter our population got the virus at once say over a weekend, then we as country immediately go into a strict lockdown for 20 days, when we come out of it hey presto we have achieved herd imunity in a controlled manner thus protecting the vulnerable people of our nation.

Where is your evidence of any immunity (let alone herd immunity)?

fritzelly

Beasty wrote: »

Where is your evidence of any immunity (let alone herd immunity)?

Haven't been keeping up with the thread? There is strong evidence of T-cell immunity (regardless antibodies)

Myramar

ACitizenErased wrote: »

190 cases “today”, do they think we’re all thick

Can you explain?

You seem to be questioning the statistics produced by the Dept of Health and the HSE.
Do you Think they are lies?.
These are the statistics from the same sources that you reproduce here on a daily basis and that represent the basis for your "informed opinions".
Are they solid statistics when you like the numbers but become "Lies" when they disagree with your narrative?

Goldengirl

Akabusi wrote: »

The way we are going, you will end up getting it anyhow. BTW I did get it back in March and it was very mild.

Good.. .you got a mild dose. That doesn't mean that everyone you know will or won't have complications.

Goldengirl

polesheep wrote: »

If that percentage can be managed, so what?

What do you mean, managed? Many die from their illness once they end up that ill.

Westernyelp

Myramar wrote: »

Can you explain?

You seem to be questioning the statistics produced by the Dept of Health and the HSE.
Do you Think they are lies?.
These are the statistics from the same sources that you reproduce here on a daily basis and that represent the basis for your "informed opinions".
Are they solid statistics when you like the numbers but become "Lies" when they disagree with your narrative?

You're not from round here. is ya?

Akabusi

Goldengirl wrote: »

Good.. .you got a mild dose. That doesn't mean that everyone you know will or won't have complications.

You are correct of course. The point I am trying to badly make is that the way we as a country are going with half doing things, the majority are likely to get it over a prolonged period in a uncontrolled manner. Wouldn't it be great to have some control on this thing.

Akabusi

Goldengirl wrote: »

What do you mean, managed? Many die from their illness once they end up that ill.

Many older people die from this. Not many healthy people under 45 die from this.

Goldengirl

fritzelly wrote: »

Haven't been keeping up with the thread? There is strong evidence of T-cell immunity (regardless antibodies)

2 studies that are indicative that T cells might confer some immunity for an unknown length of time but not sure or peer reviewed yet.
This, while very hopeful does not equal " strong evidence" .

Renjit

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I disagree with you.

Of course some people have 'flaunted' some of the advice at times. But I cant see that being a big factor. In any case you need to let people have some social outlet.

If someone told me you could either go along with not going out or anywhere not meeting people concerts and all the rest of it for another couple of years or else you get the virus tomorrow I'd say I might take my chances with the virus.

Take your chances, laddy

Jaded Walker

How can schools reopen if you can only have six people inside at one time?

Goldengirl

Akabusi wrote: »

Many older people die from this. Not many healthy people under 45 die from this.

If they end up in ICU with it they are not very healthy. 1 in 5 die.

My point was addressed to polesheep who seems to think that percentage that ends up in ICU can be managed? Not healthy under 45s.

Beau

John O.Groats wrote: »

Are there any outdoor gyms in operation? I have yet to see one.

Yes, my gym has moved to provide outdoor classes

Strumms

timmy_mallet wrote: »

You won't get to 0 for long. If it all. And if you did, itll return. And if it does, you're hard 20 days lockdown again, and again, and again. It's been tried, it doesn't work.

The UK is having more flu and pneumonia deaths than covid, all while undergoing similar restrictions on life. It would seem that influenza and not covid might require more attention right now.

, if the UK are making a bollöcks of things.. it’s not exactly a reason to give ourselves a hall pass to go down the same road. I think the whole argument of.. “ohhh look at xxxxx, that didn’t work there” ... is a little cop out strategy, almost trying to give ourselves a hall pass because somewhere else isn’t successfully dealing with it...

The solution to the bind we are in and the work that needs to be done is on our own island, decisions... for us... by us... with our interests in mind..

Polar101

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are you sure, it's not the way I heard it, let's say your are correct, can we still put an estimate on it, we've had how many people into the country since lockdown?

I watched the press conference, but I'm not sure what mr. Donnelly meant either. 3 out of 100 cases are travel related, but that in itself is a silly figure - it's not like they are testing any incoming tourists. So he makes it sound like travel is no issue, but do we actually know?

nocoverart

Wuhan looks like a fun place right now, amazing looking pool parties over there. Fair fooks to them! the only thing they don't produce in that part of the world is empathy.

Strumms

Beau wrote: »

Yes, my gym has moved to provide outdoor classes

Mine too, although I prefer the online one from home....Probably only about another seven or eight weeks where the outdoor is feasible as it’s going to get cold not to mention wetter towards the end of September...

MrMusician18

Akabusi wrote: »

I'm more worried about peoples mental health, this is going to be a dreadful winter. Higher taxes, unemployment, flu, Covid, isolation, homelessness all hitting different parts of our society. Hopefully we get a mild winter and the vaccine/treatments continue to progress.

Ah that old chestnut. People will be fine, and those that like to bang the mental health drum will bang it.

Strumms

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Ah that old chestnut. People will be fine, and those that like to bang the mental health drum will bang it.

An awful lot of people use the ‘ mental health ‘ drum and beat it when convenient... quite apparent with covid...

fritzelly

Strumms wrote: »

An awful lot of people use the ‘ mental health ‘ drum and beat it when convenient... quite apparent with covid...

Mental health has been the bane (excuse) of Ireland for a long time not just covid

Though I have an older friend who is having a real hard time with all this and especially after the announcements today - just wants to go to a bar for a few jars and chat with people with no restrictions (but isn't saying his mental health is suffering even tho I can see it is)

Always_Running

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

The median age of cases was always around the mid-forties, it was only the averages for deaths that were generally in the low-eighties.

Thought as much. Reason I asked was because Tomas Ryan on prime time said we have few deaths in recent weeks because the median age of cases was in forties right now.

lucernarian

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People have much more individual freedom now though, and much more aspirations towards a more prosperous life. A major shock could easily turn hope to anger and that’s why the Chinese government will tread carefully. It’s also got to be remembered that it’s only 2 generations since the cultural revolution misdirected anger towards the perceived old elites to perpetrate those atrocities. The Chinese leadership have a good historical perspective and realise that as much as they want control, if the people no longer acquiesce that control could come under threat

Lol, what ridiculous points. You're forgetting how the outbreak happened and Xi Jinping did nothing while doctors who reported the epidemic were jailed instead. You're saying a president for life has earned his people a more prosperous life? Give me a ****ing break.

scary

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

The median age of cases was always around the mid-forties, it was only the averages for deaths that were generally in the low-eighties.

I don't think you understand the difference between median and average. In the early days the median was in the 80's for deaths not the average.

blowitupref

Myramar wrote: »

Can you explain?

You seem to be questioning the statistics produced by the Dept of Health and the HSE.
Do you Think they are lies?.
These are the statistics from the same sources that you reproduce here on a daily basis and that represent the basis for your "informed opinions".
Are they solid statistics when you like the numbers but become "Lies" when they disagree with your narrative?

190 cases weren't all from today would be his point.

It was known Monday we had additional 259 positive swabs from the previous 48 hrs of testing and only 56 cases was reported.

fritzelly

blowitupref wrote: »

190 cases weren't all from today would be his point.

It was known Monday we had additional 259 positive swabs from the previous 48 hrs of testing and only 56 cases was reported.

I would like to know the reasoning behind this - it is not a one off
Are they verifying they are not double counted positives? Well the numbers always seem to match up after a few days
Is it a case of the Glynn has to sign off on the reported figures - well this hasn't just happened at the weekends
I'm trying to think of reasons as to the delay in reporting cases and coming up with nada
It all seems a bit weird we get a low reported case number then the next day in the hundreds, then we get a low case number and the next day in the hundreds again
We've had less than 100 cases per day on average the past week but 2 days of massive numbers reported (plus add in that some of these positive cases may even be historic as in not the past week but weeks ago)

Oranage2

fritzelly wrote: »

I would like to know the reasoning behind this - it is not a one off
Are they verifying they are not double counted positives? Well the numbers always seem to match up after a few days
Is it a case of the Glynn has to sign off on the reported figures - well this hasn't just happened at the weekends
I'm trying to think of reasons as to the delay in reporting cases and coming up with nada
It all seems a bit weird we get a low reported case number then the next day in the hundreds, then we get a low case number and the next day in the hundreds again
We've had less than 100 cases per day on average the past week but 2 days of massive numbers reported (plus add in that some of these positive cases may even be historic as in not the past week but weeks ago)

As many people predicted they wanted to use the high figures as a scare tactic for yesterday's announcement. There has been inconsistencies before and people reckon it's to do with clusters, so they announce a cluster when all the results are back

fritzelly

Oranage2 wrote: »

As many people predicted they wanted to use the high figures as a scare tactic for yesterday's announcement. There has been inconsistencies before and people reckon it's to do with clusters, so they announce a cluster when all the results are back

And it's BS if that is what they are doing - totally unfair on the general public when RTE and the ilk release the numbers and suddenly we have this massive spike to put the fear of god in to people

It's just not right.

Oranage2

fritzelly wrote: »

And it's BS if that is what they are doing - totally unfair on the general public when RTE and the ilk release the numbers and suddenly we have this massive spike to put the fear of god in to people

It's just not right.

Yeah I agree, they should announce true numbers but emphasize the weekly numbers to show people how good or bad we're doing. I'd be in the safe age and health range but those big numbers terrify me.