Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Eod100

Polar101 wrote: »

Finland removes Ireland from their 'green list' of countries, a month after it was added.



https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/article11501293.ece

Wonder does that mean they will be off our green list? Was the assumption that countries on that list didn't have any requirements or was more to do with incidence level?

Eod100

khalessi wrote: »

Ireland loves the Finnish model, its why we always comment on their education and drool after it but then take our ideas from the UK. Probably doing the same with how Covid19 is dealt with.

Sure government always bandy about copying other countries models but not the investment etc which makes it work.

Non solum non ambulabit

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Down to 17 in hospital and now down to 6 in ICU. Positive numbers in all the gloom over cases.

Good numbers alright.

If cases were low also we would be flying.

MD1990

Deleted User wrote: »

Good numbers alright.

If cases were low also we would be flying.

yes but only to green list countries

FintanMcluskey

Strumms wrote: »

A person who has been infected with covid, is asymptomatic is a sick / ill person.

Is that so?

Im not being disingenuous, but I would have thought asymptomatic would be at little risk and certainly not sick/ill?

timmy_mallet

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is that so?

Im not being disingenuous, but I would have thought asymptomatic would be at little risk and certainly not sick/ill?

I mean, the clue is in the word, but, what do we know.

stephenjmcd

Eod100 wrote: »

Or maybe not. This government don't seem to know what's going on themselves tbh. All over the shop. Case of too many cooks? The reopening was always going to be harder than full restrictions but they should at least try to stay on the same page!

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1296185210745298944

ah lads really ? Like does anyone actually have a clue what they're at

Gael23

They know they have lost the support of the people, that was easy to see in the video

Strumms

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is that so?

Im not being disingenuous, but I would have thought asymptomatic would be at little risk and certainly not sick/ill?

If you have cancer, you have an illness. If you in the early stages of cancer, showing no symptoms you are asymptomatic. You still have an illness and the condition is still having an affect on your body.

Speak Now

caveat emptor wrote: »

No but the figure released today doesn't include them if they did .......
Part of misinformation going on to downplay significance of the situation.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1296109907574509568?s=20

Thanks worldometers had said "total Cases' reported is the sum of total cases detected by PRC and antibodies tests".

FintanMcluskey

Strumms wrote: »

If you have cancer, you have an illness. If you in the early stages of cancer, showing no symptoms you are asymptomatic. You still have an illness and the condition is still having an affect on your body.

No thats asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic, there is a huge difference

timmy_mallet

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I mean, the clue is in the word, but, what do we know.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/08/17/covid-19-can-cause-heart-damageeven-if-you-are-asymptomatic/

Professor Moriarty

Strumms wrote: »

If you have cancer, you have an illness. If you in the early stages of cancer, showing no symptoms you are asymptomatic. You still have an illness and the condition is still having an affect on your body.

It's semantics, but if you have Covid-19 and are asymptomatic then you are infected but not ill.

bb1234567

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thats using the assumption that Covid explicitly killed those 172k which isn't the case as we know.

If it was allowed run through the population it certaintly is not the end, in fact most won't know they have it.

If you apply the asymptomatic figures from a recent food production facility outbreak to the general population, over 90% will have no symptoms.

We need to remember, a positive case is not a sick person

Yes it is far more than 172k in fact, excess deaths in the US stand at overv 225,000 since March.

The figure of 90% asymtomatic rate obviously does not apply to the general population as workers are relatively young and able bodied , hence the large number of deaths.

AdamD

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Down to 17 in hospital and now down to 6 in ICU. Positive numbers in all the gloom over cases.

We had 174 cases on the 8th of August, and about 50 a day for the week leading up to it and we've seen very little movement in hospitalisations, interested to see how the next 2 weeks go.

Strumms

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No thats asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic, there is a huge difference

The National Cancer Institute, just... “Having no signs or symptoms of disease”

FintanMcluskey

bb1234567 wrote: »

The figure of 90% asymtomatic rate obviously does not apply to the general population as workers are relatively young and able bodied , hence the large number of deaths.

I agree here.

Its an incredibly dangerous illness to those over 65, especially so with underlying issues, but for those well enough to attend work its not particularly dangerous at all

Strumms

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's semantics, but if you have Covid-19 and are asymptomatic then you are infected but not ill.

Not ill in terms of feeling ill , you have an illness / virus though.

drunkmonkey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I agree here.

Its an incredibly dangerous illness to those over 65

It's not really if your other wise healthy enough. It's definitely not their biggest killer or anywhere near it.

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

ah lads really ? Like does anyone actually have a clue what they're at

I think Waterford Whispers News sums it up well.. :pac: https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/08/19/what-in-the-ever-living-****-is-going-on-wwn-explains-the-governments-new-covid-measures/

M three

Lundstram wrote: »

You didn't seem to have a problem with the Vitners Association publicly condeming NPHET so why should the GAA be any different?

The GAA have handed over stadiums for testing and do everything by the letter of the law regarding Covid19. As a player myself I know this for a fact. Very thorough throughout all this.

They're well within their rights to question Glynn and get answers that its 300,000 members want.

Lets not forget political pressure was applied in the run up to the last GAA Presidential election so that an unknown from New York was voted in instead of a Northern nationalist and well know figure Jarlath Burns.
Its high time the GAA fought back against this incompetent government and started pushing a United Ireland

FintanMcluskey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's not really if your other wise healthy enough. It's definitely not their biggest killer or anywhere near it.

70% of positive nursing home cases survived. I was shocked at the survival rate, it sounded like a guaranteed death sentence to nursing home patients listening to the media.

What Username Guidelines

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Down to 17 in hospital and now down to 6 in ICU. Positive numbers in all the gloom over cases.

Unfortunately the hse report shows quite a jump (relatively) in ICU.

There’s now 12 in ICU, up from 7 yesterday. 6 are ventilated, up from 4 yesterday.

Hospital numbers are at 16, down from 20 yesterday.

There does seem to be something odd with the report, given each hospital with icu patients all have 2 each, and some of those only show 1 in general beds, but they are reported at slightly different times (6.30 for ICU and 8pm for general beds)

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-19-august-2020.pdf

Tenzor07

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

70% of positive nursing home cases survived. I was shocked at the survival rate, it sounded like a guaranteed death sentence to nursing home patients listening to the media.

With all the confusion being sewed by the Government, everyone thinks this is an incompenance by the Govt. it's not...

Who's talking about the 1000 deaths when OAP patients in hospitals were released back into their care home without any Covid testing... Basically the HSE authorised a release of all these patients and no one is talking about it now...

drunkmonkey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

70% of positive nursing home cases survived. I was shocked at the survival rate, it sounded like a guaranteed death sentence to nursing home patients listening to the media.

A nursing home is gods waiting room, nobody gets out alive. I'm surprised with that 70% myself hadn't heard it. Still don't know if they died with Covid or from Covid, a lot of them were sent from the hospital to the nursing homes as well, they must have been pretty sick anyway.

MerlinSouthDub

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Unfortunately the hse report shows quite a jump (relatively) in ICU.

There’s now 12 in ICU, up from 7 yesterday. 6 are ventilated, up from 4 yesterday.

Hospital numbers are at 16, down from 20 yesterday.

There does seem to be something odd with the report, given each hospital with icu patients all have 2 each, and some of those only show 1 in general beds, but they are reported at slightly different times (6.30 for ICU and 8pm for general beds)

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-19-august-2020.pdf

Yes it does look like a data error, I think they've just doubled up on the ICU numbers. Fingers crossed anyway

stephenjmcd

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Unfortunately the hse report shows quite a jump (relatively) in ICU.

There’s now 12 in ICU, up from 7 yesterday. 6 are ventilated, up from 4 yesterday.

Hospital numbers are at 16, down from 20 yesterday.

There does seem to be something odd with the report, given each hospital with icu patients all have 2 each, and some of those only show 1 in general beds, but they are reported at slightly different times (6.30 for ICU and 8pm for general beds)

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-19-august-2020.pdf

That report for what its worth is 16 total in hosptial including ICU. Took a while for that to actually be made clear a few weeks ago.

But your right reports at different times so theres a bit of a difference in the numbers.

Has happened before when out of nowhere Tallaght dropped from 9 cases to 0 cases in the report but was amended the next day.

I'd be surprised out of 16 in hosptial 12 were in ICU.

For what its worth on the data hub they're reporting 6 in ICU as of 7.30pm

ACitizenErased

2 deaths in ICU last 24hrs, so actually 7 admissions rather than 5.

Wolf359f

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That report for what its worth is 16 total in hosptial including ICU. Took a while for that to actually be made clear a few weeks ago.

But your right reports at different times so theres a bit of a difference in the numbers.

Has happened before when out of nowhere Tallaght dropped from 9 cases to 0 cases in the report but was amended the next day.

I'd be surprised out of 16 in hosptial 12 were in ICU.

For what its worth on the data hub they're reporting 6 in ICU as of 7.30pm

Either way, looks like those 2 deaths announced today occurred in the last 24hrs in ICU. So not historic ones.

ACitizenErased

ICU:
Tullamore (+2) - 2
Tallaght (+1) - 2
Sligo (+1) - 2
Mater (--) - 2
Kilkenny (-1) - 0
Connolly (+1) - 2
Beaumont (+1) - 2

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

2 deaths in ICU last 24hrs, so actually 7 admissions rather than 5.

Report doesn't appear to be accurate.

Data hub reporting 6 in ICU at of 19:30, with 1 admission and 1 discharge in last 24hrs

FintanMcluskey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A nursing home is gods waiting room, nobody gets out alive. I'm surprised with that 70% myself hadn't heard it. Still don't know if they died with Covid or from Covid, a lot of them were sent from the hospital to the nursing homes as well, they must have been pretty sick anyway.

The 70% was quoted by someone one newstalk earlier, I forget the guys name yet again.

Basically he had some interesting quantifiable data like above but he ensured to remain on the correct PC side of discussion

ACitizenErased

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Report doesn't appear to be accurate.

Data hub reporting 6 in ICU at of 19:30, with 1 admission and 1 discharge in last 24hrs

Yeah I don't know if I believe it

Wolf359f

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Report doesn't appear to be accurate.

Data hub reporting 6 in ICU at of 19:30, with 1 admission and 1 discharge in last 24hrs

Wouldn't be the first time it was incorrect. I just hope this is one of those times. Otherwise it's a significant increase in ICU.

stephenjmcd

This is going to rumble on

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1296200641723981835?s=19

https://twitter.com/SamanthaLibreri/status/1296200612758138880?s=19

caveat emptor

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No thats asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic, there is a huge difference

Except in this Korean study of 1K infections and 15K close contacts.
Over half of transmission events occurred BEFORE onset of symptoms.


https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1293913738953650176?s=20

drunkmonkey

Wolf359f wrote: »

Wouldn't be the first time it was incorrect. I just hope this is one of those times. Otherwise it's a significant increase in ICU.

Are some ICU admissions a result of testing delaying treatment, if your sick and call the doctor you then have to wait for a test and result, I gave an example earlier of someone I know, was sick enough to call the doctor this morning, won't get a test until Friday afternoon, results maybe Tuesday, now that's 7 days there sick along with the 2 days before hand with symptoms.
The only way that person can get any medical help is they get a&e level sick between now and then.
Treatment needs to start with symptoms, were taking the sure see how it's goes road.

jammiedodgers

I've followed pretty much every guideline that has been asked of the public since this began. I've pretty much agreed with them all and maybe that's cos they were explained well previously.

But this week has changed. How can you justify allowing 50 (possibly older/vulnerable) people into a church but not allowing to stand on the side pitch in the open air with plenty of space.

More powers to be given to Gardai when it should be the HSA given extra resources to inspect the factories where the outbreaks are actually happening.

Announcements made over 24 hours ago are still being clarified throughout this afternoon and even tonight there remains uncertainty on indoor restrictions it seems.

Donnelly trying to compare kids going back to school as the same risk as getting in a car? Really? That's what the trolls weree posting in these threads in March ffs!

And then you have Martin. I'm genuinely surprised Eamon Ryan stayed awake during the press conference yesterday.

caveat emptor

Vaccine when it comes will likely be in form of nasal form as this route provides more protection from infection (in mice). Nice graphic explaining.
Not nice to think of the poor mice.

Eod100

jammiedodgers wrote: »

I've followed pretty much every guideline that has been asked of the public since this began. I've pretty much agreed with them all and maybe that's cos they were explained well previously.

But this week has changed. How can you justify allowing 50 (possibly older/vulnerable) people into a church but not allowing to stand on the side pitch in the open air with plenty of space.

More powers to be given to Gardai when it should be the HSA given extra resources to inspect the factories where the outbreaks are actually happening.

Announcements made over 24 hours ago are still being clarified throughout this afternoon and even tonight there remains uncertainty on indoor restrictions it seems.

Donnelly trying to compare kids going back to school as the same risk as getting in a car? Really? That's what the trolls weree posting in these threads in March ffs!

And then you have Martin. I'm genuinely surprised Eamon Ryan stayed awake during the press conference yesterday.

I've seen some speculation it's because people congregate before and after matches but I don't see how that's any different to gigs of same size outdoors say. Not that there will be many of those this time of year but still. Either way think they need to explain rationale behind decisions to have better buy-in from the public.

If measures aren't seen to be consistent, fair or equally applied, they won't be sustainable.

caveat emptor

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are some ICU admissions a result of testing delaying treatment, if your sick and call the doctor you then have to wait for a test and result, I gave an example earlier of someone I know, was sick enough to call the doctor this morning, won't get a test until Friday afternoon, results maybe Tuesday, now that's 7 days there sick along with the 2 days before hand with symptoms.
The only way that person can get any medical help is they get a&e level sick between now and then.
Treatment needs to start with symptoms, were taking the sure see how it's goes road.

Depending on the profile of the person. Early treatment essential.
They reckon that's why Germany had such better outcomes to other parts of Europe. They had the highest capacity. There is a relationship between length of time between symptoms and hospital admission with mortality. I'll have a look but basically earlier intervention = better outcome as you'd expect.

Non solum non ambulabit

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Unfortunately the hse report shows quite a jump (relatively) in ICU.

There’s now 12 in ICU, up from 7 yesterday. 6 are ventilated, up from 4 yesterday.

Hospital numbers are at 16, down from 20 yesterday.

There does seem to be something odd with the report, given each hospital with icu patients all have 2 each, and some of those only show 1 in general beds, but they are reported at slightly different times (6.30 for ICU and 8pm for general beds)

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-19-august-2020.pdf

Yes, discrepancies in the data sets.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

Goldengirl

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No thats asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic, there is a huge difference

Still infected even if asymptomatic. Body dealing with infection without showing usual symptoms just .
Doesn't mean not infection toys or that will remain well .

Pre symptomatic is before symptoms appear.

Hard to know if one isn't the other unless checked after isolation period or retested at 7 days .

drunkmonkey

caveat emptor wrote: »

Depending on the profile of the person. Early treatment essential.
They reckon that's why Germany had such better outcomes to other parts of Europe. They had the highest capacity. There is a relationship between length of time between symptoms and hospital admission with mortality. I'll have a look but basically earlier intervention = better outcome as you'd expect.

Yea that's what I assume, doctors won't do anything for you to treat initial symptoms, Surely there's some drugs of use to help stop or delay before it hits your lungs. The only thing the person I referred to was advised take is paracetamol.

blowitupref

That HSE report has to be an error. I presume it should read 6 instead of 12 in ICU. Good to see the overall number fall to 16 when it was in the 20s a few days ago.

Goldengirl

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are some ICU admissions a result of testing delaying treatment, if your sick and call the doctor you then have to wait for a test and result, I gave an example earlier of someone I know, was sick enough to call the doctor this morning, won't get a test until Friday afternoon, results maybe Tuesday, now that's 7 days there sick along with the 2 days before hand with symptoms.
The only way that person can get any medical help is they get a&e level sick between now and then.
Treatment needs to start with symptoms, were taking the sure see how it's goes road.

That's really awful at this stage . Testing should be 72 hours from referral to result . At least that's what they are telling us !
If that person is very sick should be on to GP asap and get referred into A&E for assessment .
If manageable at home with paracetamol and fluids , ok, but GP needs to be checking up on him , before the weekend and HSE should call him too.
I got a few calls when I was referred in mid March from GP and HSE because testing was delayed by 2 weeks at that time .

Apart from usual symptomatic treatment ie . Paracetamol, fluids , people should not be taking any medications unless prescribed .
No treatment . Drugs like dexamethasone are only given and effective when patients ventilated in ICU . And taking steroids prior to this has been recommended against as it can make your symptoms worse and interfere with your ability to fight the virus .

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are some ICU admissions a result of testing delaying treatment, if your sick and call the doctor you then have to wait for a test and result, I gave an example earlier of someone I know, was sick enough to call the doctor this morning, won't get a test until Friday afternoon, results maybe Tuesday, now that's 7 days there sick along with the 2 days before hand with symptoms.
The only way that person can get any medical help is they get a&e level sick between now and then.
Treatment needs to start with symptoms, were taking the sure see how it's goes road.

Surely they should have been honing the system in the summer to get it quicker. It's like they took the eye off the ball with the testing when things were quiet. Not good enough. Gp referrals should be priority as you would think they are the most likely to be positive.

Polar101

stephenjmcd wrote: »

This is going to rumble on

What are they doing? It's not like they are sending people to Mars, they are trying to tell people what they've decided. It can't be that hard to communicate it CLEARLY.

drunkmonkey

Their testing too many I think, any symptom gets a test, doctor won't see you, nurses in surgery just say you have to be tested, you can pay €40 if you want to talk to the doctor on the phoe but that's €40 to be told you have to be tested.
Teething 18mt olds are been sent as they've a temperature, no sense in all the referrals, think that's ringing through with the positivity rates. It's like doctors have forgotten how to doctor.

MOR316

I asked two weeks ago if I was wrong in saying, that this carry on from our Government, is getting as bad as Boris Johnson's efforts.

People said no, I was wrong...

I'm a right ****ing Nostradamus me