Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Jim_Hodge

stevek93 wrote: »

So the “home test team” called me yesterday mentioning I would get a call within 24 hours to arrange a test. 24 hours past no call so I phoned back they mentioned there might be another 24 hours wait as they are so busy. Seriously 48+ hours to arrange a call for a home test and another 48+ for the results? By the time they come out the and results come back it looks like it will be well over 7 days from phoning the GP. If I am positive who I have been in contact with god knows how many people they have passed the virus on to at this point.

You're supposed to self isolate while awaiting results.

What Username Guidelines

Stheno wrote: »

Did you not self isolate as soon as you felt ill?

I presume they mean in contact with people in the days leading up to symptoms

DevilsHaircut

caveat emptor wrote: »

I've a friend in a different college who says that tests can be 25% false negative depending on how the swab is conducted.

Of course I don't have a source for it and neither do you so here we are.

Martina knows the accuracy of the tests I guess. If the false positive rate was 25% we'd have a few more cases. Or is it that 25% of positives are false positives?

Either way commenting on accuracy of tests without any accompanying sources is dodgy territory.

I think Drumpot must have meant false negatives.

False positives would occur only with contamination.

(Or some could look at it as a positive result where the virus isn't capable of replication being a 'false positive', but there's 0 chance that we're actually testing for replication)

Stheno

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I presume they mean in contact with people in the days leading up to symptoms

Possibly, I just found the post confusing tbh

stevek93

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You're supposed to self isolate while awaiting results.

I never said I wasn’t.

joseywhales

caveat emptor wrote: »

This pitting professions against each other is not healthy. It doesn't matter if an operator in a meat factory gets or a hospital outbreak or an outbreak in a school.

It's a problem for the community initially and eventually the country.

Pointing out that putting 30+ people in a room barely big enough to swing a cat is criminally negligent and will lead to billions in damage to economy if people out sick and isolating.

That has to be compared to the cost of copying countries who actually dealt with it in a safe matter.

I didn't pit professions against each other, I was just pointing out that we already expect people to work under a much higher level of risk, therefore it is natural that we would expect others to work with a lower level of risk. Obviously we should be working hard to reduce the risk as much as possible. Perhaps we could increase the hours and teach children in shifts so that the numbers in a classroom are smaller at any given time for example, temperature checks etc. The schools going back is so crucial, moreso than any other activity in our society possibly.

stevek93

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I presume they mean in contact with people in the days leading up to symptoms

Yes last week I had contact with people if I had no symptoms then but possible I was infected.

DevilsHaircut

stevek93 wrote: »

So the “home test team” called me yesterday mentioning I would get a call within 24 hours to arrange a test. 24 hours past no call so I phoned back they mentioned there might be another 24 hours wait as they are so busy. Seriously 48+ hours to arrange a call for a home test and another 48+ for the results? By the time they come out the and results come back it looks like it will be well over 7 days from phoning the GP. If I am positive who I have been in contact with god knows how many people they have passed the virus on to at this point.

We don't need an entire ambulance and crew of paramedics to do home tests.

A swabber and a driver would suffice.

Self-swabbing has also been shown to be almost as effective.

DevilsHaircut

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Read it.

It's still anecdote.

Not the data you guys are supposedly so fond of.

Qualitative and quantitative data/information. That falls into the first one. Time will tell when we look at hospital admissions/deaths in a few weeks time throughout Europe.

Jackman25

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Read it.

It's still anecdote.

Not the data you guys are supposedly so fond of.

Grow up you baby.
Your like a 6 year old child bitter that someone else got a star from the teacher

caveat emptor

Here's the latest Italian data. I wouldn't discount the story from the paper as it's fairly reputable. Italy has far superior data than ours. The vast majority are at home and hospitalisation is extremely low. I wouldn't like to attribute that to the virus weakening however if young people are the main people getting it.

They have the current case numbers. First column is hospital, second is ICU third is home. No indication of presymptomatic or asymptomatic.

stevek93

stevek93 wrote: »

I never said I wasn’t.

Just give whoever you have been in contact with a call and tell them that your not well and that they might want to isolate, if you haven't already, your original post just reads like you haven't.

DevilsHaircut

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It was the same doctor I believe https://en.as.com/en/2020/06/22/latest_news/1592820578_587344.html

Quelle surprise.

Oranage2

joseywhales wrote: »

I didn't pit professions against each other, I was just pointing out that we already expect people to work under a much higher level of risk, therefore it is natural that we would expect others to work with a lower level of risk. Obviously we should be working hard to reduce the risk as much as possible. Perhaps we could increase the hours and teach children in shifts so that the numbers in a classroom are smaller at any given time for example, temperature checks etc. The schools going back is so crucial, moreso than any other activity in our society possibly.

We should let admin workers fight off the junkies in Dublin city center, sure we expect the Gardai to do so why don't we expect others to do it?

billybonkers

Briefing 6.30pm

theballz

Anyone else getting nervous daily around 6pm?

DevilsHaircut

Jackman25 wrote: »

Grow up you baby.
Your like a 6 year old child bitter that someone else got a star from the teacher

It's 'you're'.

And you've added precisely 0 to any thread where I've had the misfortune to encounter you.

stevek93

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

We don't need an entire ambulance and crew of paramedics to do home tests.

A swabber and a driver would suffice.

Self-swabbing has also been shown to be almost as effective.

That is the procedure of the HSE at the moment I’m just commenting on my progress so far. I got a text for an appointment 7km from my house the text has a link one of the options is “impossible to travel for test” as I don’t drive I choose that option.

joseywhales

Oranage2 wrote: »

We should let admin workers fight off the junkies in Dublin city center, sure we expect the Gardai to do so why don't we expect others to do it?

We are not asking teachers to treat icu patients who are dieing from covid, I believe we are asking them to teach healthy children with a risk of asymptomatic infection.

Drumpot

caveat emptor wrote: »

I've a friend in a different college who says that tests can be 25% false negative depending on how the swab is conducted.

Of course I don't have a source for it and neither do you so here we are.

Martina knows the accuracy of the tests I guess. If the false positive rate was 25% we'd have a few more cases. Or is it that 25% of positives are false positives?

Either way commenting on accuracy of tests without any accompanying sources is dodgy territory.

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

I think Drumpot must have meant false negatives.

False positives would occur only with contamination.

(Or some could look at it as a positive result where the virus isn't capable of replication being a 'false positive', but there's 0 chance that we're actually testing for replication)

Yep, my bad, that’s what I meant and they said exactly that. “If the swab doesn’t hurt when it’s taken , it increases the chance of false negative.” Or something to that effect.

Jackman25

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

It's 'you're'.

And you've added precisely 0 to any thread where I've had the misfortune to encounter you.

Same as yourself so just without the bitterness and whining.

antodeco

A friend of mine started getting symptoms on Monday afternoon when in work. Obviously went home. All other colleagues went home aswell, and the business is closed. Still waiting to hear back about getting a test, and obviously the other 10 people are also isolating. It's crazy. Still no word about a test. Several people isolating and a business that is closed (work from home can't be done).

spookwoman

antodeco wrote: »

A friend of mine started getting symptoms on Monday afternoon when in work. Obviously went home. All other colleagues went home aswell, and the business is closed. Still waiting to hear back about getting a test, and obviously the other 10 people are also isolating. It's crazy. Still no word about a test. Several people isolating and a business that is closed (work from home can't be done).

Waiting times are horrendous, ll this talk of the capacity and they still can't get it right

Oranage2

joseywhales wrote: »

We are not asking teachers to treat icu patients who are dieing from covid, I believe we are asking them to teach healthy children with a risk of asymptomatic infection.

And also a risk of a life threatening virus that has killed nearly a million people worldwide.

DevilsHaircut

stevek93 wrote: »

That is the procedure of the HSE at the moment I’m just commenting on my progress so far. I got a text for an appointment 7km from my house the text has a link one of the options is “impossible to travel for test” as I don’t drive I choose that option.

No, I know.

And it's going to become more of an issue with cases increasing.

I don't drive either and would have to get to Swords on foot from Dublin city centre

It's a scandal that with all of the time they had, and the knowledge that referrals were going to increase, they're not able to accommodate it now.

Itssoeasy

Obviously Stephan Donnelley has had a bit of a bapsitm of fire in the dept of health but this week at best he's been inconsistent with the message. The underlying info and rational for the restrictions may be sound and based on good evidence but he along with the government(with Michael Martin as Taoiseach baring the main responsibility for this) have not conveyed the message well. To be fair I will say that the message this government have to get across isn't as easy as Leo varadkar and Simon Harris and that government had to give which was fairly narrow and easy to understand, but it's their job to convey the one they have clearly. It's not great to see a lot of clarifications having to be issued.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's the latest Italian data. I wouldn't discount the story from the paper as it's fairly reputable. Italy has far superior data than ours. The vast majority are at home and hospitalisation is extremely low. I wouldn't like to attribute that to the virus weakening however if young people are the main people getting it.

They have the current case numbers. First column is hospital, second is ICU third is home. No indication of presymptomatic or asymptomatic.

Good info. The doctor is not sure himself why so little people are getting sick. He is not attributing it to only age. It makes sense that a virus would mutate and become say more infectious and possible less dangerous in order to survive if it is struggling to reproduce which it was in May/June/July throughout Europe (r rate at or below 1) . Time will tell.

joseywhales

Oranage2 wrote: »

And also a risk of a life threatening virus that has killed nearly a million people worldwide.

Yes, a much lower risk than many other professions.

Itssoeasy

theballz wrote: »

Anyone else getting nervous daily around 6pm?

No. It's not worth it because the numbers are what they are. No one here can change them and we just need to keep doing what we've been doing on a personal level since march.

SeaBreezes

Well sh*te anyway...

The virus can live in frozen food and actual food for up to 21 days. Irish and italian study..

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/coronavirus-latest-news-singaporean-and-irish-study-confirms-that-sars-cov-2-virus-can-be-harbored-by-fresh-and-frozen-food-for-at-least-21-days

Santy2015

What’s the testing data for today?

Onesea

There should have been no lockdown at all.

boardise

theballz wrote: »

Anyone else getting nervous daily around 6pm?

Yeah , I have this dread that some day the angelus bell ringer will miscount the rings.

Gael23

None today yet?

Busi_Girl08

Gael23 wrote: »

None today yet?

DOH press conference will be on any minute now. Due at 6.30

KrustyUCC

Not yet

Press conference seems to be running late most days lately

Oranage2

joseywhales wrote: »

Yes, a much lower risk than many other professions.

I take it you've no kids but we'll have to agree to disagree

boggerman1

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Well sh*te anyway...

The virus can live in frozen food and actual food for up to 21 days. Irish and italian study..

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/coronavirus-latest-news-singaporean-and-irish-study-confirms-that-sars-cov-2-virus-can-be-harbored-by-fresh-and-frozen-food-for-at-least-21-days

We might as well all give up and wait to die so.ffs next it will be it can survive a necular explosion or is on the concrete blocks in your house

SeaBreezes

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Well sh*te anyway...

The virus can live in frozen food and actual food for up to 21 days. Irish and italian study..

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/coronavirus-latest-news-singaporean-and-irish-study-confirms-that-sars-cov-2-virus-can-be-harbored-by-fresh-and-frozen-food-for-at-least-21-days

Risk is probably very low as long as you wash those hands while cooking. Most foods have to be cooked which will kill and if your washing hands throughout cooking low risk.

90% is person to person.

Slippin Jimmy

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

DOH press conference will be on any minute now. Due at 6.30

Where can this be viewed online?

Busi_Girl08

Slippin Jimmy wrote: »

Where can this be viewed online?

Search for RTE News Now

stevek93

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

No, I know.

And it's going to become more of an issue with cases increasing.

I don't drive either and would have to get to Swords on foot from Dublin city centre

It's a scandal that with all of the time they had, and the knowledge that referrals were going to increase, they're not able to accommodate it now.

Why doesn’t the HSE open up tents in carparks about the country to enable testing. It will enable people who don’t drive to be able to walk to a test centre.

blowitupref

Slippin Jimmy wrote: »

Where can this be viewed online?

Not on yet but should be on RTÉ news now channel 521

fits

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Well sh*te anyway...

The virus can live in frozen food and actual food for up to 21 days. Irish and italian study..

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/coronavirus-latest-news-singaporean-and-irish-study-confirms-that-sars-cov-2-virus-can-be-harbored-by-fresh-and-frozen-food-for-at-least-21-days

That study is not reliable. Not peer reviewed. The UCD input is from an adjunct professor. Doesn’t seem to have much research background.

DevilsHaircut

Deleted User wrote: »

Qualitative and quantitative data/information. That falls into the first one. Time will tell when we look at hospital admissions/deaths in a few weeks time throughout Europe.

Funny the way some here were/are quick to dismiss GPBuddy's data as 'anecdote/hearsay' when it doesn't align with their agenda.

But happy to spread it all around when it does suit.

An Ciarraioch

Appears Laois and Offaly will come out of lockdown, but Kildare will remain:

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/08/20/breaking-nphet-propose-to-lift-localised-lockdown-for-laois-and-offaly/

feelings

Expecting about 150 today.

Fann Linn

Social distancing now on school buses. Another U turn from this govt.

Busi_Girl08

Fann Linn wrote: »

Social distancing now on school buses. Another U turn from this govt.

But only secondary school buses.

is_that_so

Fann Linn wrote: »

Social distancing now on school buses. Another U turn from this govt.

That came from NPHET. They should have asked first before promising.