Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Cameron326

Of course you can more or less wipe it out. Not to zero - but to the degree that it doesnt interfere with daily life domestically for the vast, vast majority. China managed it. The mass mask-free pool party in Wuhan brought a bit of attention the other day with some people castigating them for "gloating" and others for irresponsible behaviour, but the reality is China has had things under very much under control for about 5 months now.

Western media, as a whole just hasn't wanted to report on that - as it makes our Western governments look incredibly incompetent by comparison. Parts of Beijing aside, China has been completely mask free for more than two months now. It's almost become a distant memory until they turn on the news and look at the shiftiest elsewhere. My wife hates looking at her WeChat (more than 4000 acquaintance and business contacts due to work) because every day there are dozens and dozens of people posting of their care free entertainment and domestic travel. Not a mask in sight, for getting in for three months now.

How did they manage it? The formula was pretty simple - mandatory masks at the beginning (not five months later like the US and Europe), STRINGENT contact tracing, around 95% of incoming flights cancelled with STRICTLY enforced quarantine. Targeted and severe sacrifices - for a short period - and a clear end goal. Any country could have done the same. But but they're different over there.Yeah, thats right. They are getting on happily and we are moping about in masks and wondering when school is going to be cancelled. Europe (half a billion): 30,000 daily cases. China: (one and a half billion) fewer than 30 daily cases on average.

It's not that the virus doesnt exist at all in China, but that they've managed to get on top and stay on top. A couple of dozen cases a day in 1.4billion is...not a lot. Others have done well enough too: Taiwan, S.Korea, Malaysia, NZ. But basically the response Europe wide has just not been good enough. Why? wrong priorities, lack of foresight, complacency, lack of cooperation among EU nations, short termism, corporatism. You name it. Shined a real light on the paucity of our governments in the face of severe crisis. Yes, pandemics are beasts of nature, and to an extent people just have to get on with it with a small risk still out there, but we all had the resources at our disposal to do a hell of a lot better.

Tipperary animal lover

Is there some site I can find out how many people in an area(town or village) have the virus in each County?

Doctor Jimbob

We need to keep apart as much as we can.

Yet schools are opening in two weeks.

There's no logic to this anymore.

Fly_away

Is there any specific regulation that means a person who's working in the healthcare sector has to self isolate if they're living with someone who has returned from travel abroad (even if the country that person travelled to is on the green list)?

Gerry Hatrick

Fann Linn wrote: »

Unless it's the politicians golf society. Then rules don't apply.

"Let them eat cheese"

JP Liz V1

I like Zara and her questioning

polesheep

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

Rose tinted glasses!
Attending children's matches maybe very important for a parent who has fantasised about watching their children play sport since before their child was born, but children are usually not nearly as enthusiastic about having parents watch.
A vaccine is expected a year from now. If we can't tolerate a year of on-off restrictions, we don't deserve to survive as a species! Too many of us are far too self centred and have stubbornly refused to reduce non essential travel and socialising.

It was never as bad as predicted and now it's fizzling out as an illness.

Fann Linn

When they start spoofing it's time to stop trusting them.

Funsterdelux

pjohnson wrote: »

The schools wont see to mid september.

No matter how stubborn they insist on opening them is there not a high chance they would run out of teachers?

I mean how many teachers can a school afford be quarantined if they test positive; if that teachers been in a staff room and is a "close contact" waiting for a test? Who'll teach the kids then?

Cant talk now Flanders, Ive got a class to teach!

Lyle

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Is there some site I can find out how many people in an area(town or village) have the virus in each County?

Geographic Distribution of COVID-19 Confirmed Cases map at

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

wowzer

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We need to keep apart as much as we can.

Yet schools are opening in two weeks.

There's no logic to this anymore.

Agreed so many mixed messages. Nolan talking utter horsesh1te.

Gerry Hatrick

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We need to keep apart as much as we can.

Yet schools are opening in two weeks.

There's no logic to this anymore.

They've walked themselves down a blind alley with the schools. Decision was made when things looked good and we are now a million miles from that.

The government will fall over this mark my words.

dere34

Eod100 wrote: »

I went on and didn't see any. Would you be able to link if you wouldn't mind?

Just look through her recent photos, they should be there. I might be getting mixed up though.

Tipperary animal lover

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Is there some site I can find out how many people in an area(town or village) have the virus in each County?

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Eod100

Lyle wrote: »

Geographic Distribution of COVID-19 Confirmed Cases map at

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

I think there's a lag of a few weeks if not months on that but yeah only official model for that

Steve F

Schools will be closed again 3 to 4 weeks after re opening....the dogs in the streets plus teachers have acknowledged this

Cameron326

@Derek
"I’d forget China - hard to believe any data from the"

Head in stand stuff I'm afraid. China has got it totally under control - for a good 5 months now (tiny Beijing spike aside). I'll repost:

...The mass mask-free pool party in Wuhan brought a bit of attention the other day with some people castigating them for "gloating" and others for irresponsible behaviour, but the reality is China has had things under very much under control for about 5 months now.

Western media, as a whole just hasn't wanted to report on that - as it makes our Western governments look incredibly incompetent by comparison. Parts of Beijing aside, China has been completely mask free for more than two months now. It's almost become a distant memory until they turn on the news and look at the shiftiest elsewhere. My wife hates looking at her WeChat (more than 4000 acquaintance and business contacts due to work) because every day there are dozens and dozens of people posting of their care free entertainment and domestic travel. Not a mask in sight, for getting in for three months now.

How did they manage it? The formula was pretty simple - mandatory masks at the beginning (not five months later like the US and Europe), STRINGENT contact tracing, around 95% of incoming flights cancelled with STRICTLY enforced quarantine. Targeted and severe sacrifices - for a short period - and a clear end goal. Any country could have done the same. But but they're different over there.Yeah, thats right. They are getting on happily and we are moping about in masks and wondering when school is going to be cancelled. Europe (half a billion): 30,000 daily cases. China: (one and a half billion) fewer than 30 daily cases on average.

It's not that the virus doesnt exist at all in China, but that they've managed to get on top and stay on top. A couple of dozen cases a day in 1.4billion is...not a lot. Others have done well enough too: Taiwan, S.Korea, Malaysia, NZ. But basically the response Europe wide has just not been good enough. Why? wrong priorities, lack of foresight, complacency, lack of cooperation among EU nations, short termism, corporatism. You name it. Shined a real light on the paucity of our governments in the face of severe crisis. Yes, pandemics are beasts of nature, and to an extent people just have to get on with it with a small risk still out there, but we all had the resources at our disposal to do a hell of a lot better.

MerlinSouthDub

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We need to keep apart as much as we can.

Yet schools are opening in two weeks.

There's no logic to this anymore.

Not logical? It's pretty clear. Opening the schools is a priority. We need to minimise our social interactions to give scope for the schools to reopen.

Arghus

Holohanesque response there from Glynn.

lukas8888

Blondini wrote: »

I predict absenteeism amongst teachers between 10 and 20% from the start.

They never before needed much of an excuse to call in sick,now they have the greatest one imaginable.

road_high

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

They've walked themselves down a blind alley with the schools. Decision was made when things looked good and we are now a million miles from that.

The government will fall over this mark my words.

Schools have to reopen. The bullet has to be bitten at some stage. Alternative is a nation of lazy unmotivated dunces.
Far politically worse if they didn’t at least try and implement a plan.
It’s easy knock and dither. The alternative is online classes and learning which won’t work to the same level whatsoever. Not to mention where they leave more disadvantaged students

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This is what Zara was on about?
https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1296508121452613636?s=20

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40035389.html

Well Holy God :eek: Dara the minister for agriculture should be sorting out the meat plants, people will revolt against this government and their "restrictions and recommendations"

dere34

twitter.com/bbcmariamc

dere34 wrote: »

Just look through her recent photos, they should be there. I might be getting mixed up though.

Doctor Jimbob

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Not logical? It's pretty clear. Opening the schools is a priority. We need to minimise our social interactions to give scope for the schools to reopen.

They're not telling us it's to open schools. They're telling us it's because it's unsafe.

Spiderman0081

Cameron326 wrote: »

Of course you can more or less wipe it out. Not to zero - but to the degree that it doesnt interfere with daily life domestically for the vast, vast majority. China managed it. The mass mask-free pool party in Wuhan brought a bit of attention the other day with some people castigating them for "gloating" and others for irresponsible behaviour, but the reality is China has had things under very much under control for about 5 months now.

Western media, as a whole just hasn't wanted to report on that - as it makes our Western governments look incredibly incompetent by comparison. Parts of Beijing aside, China has been completely mask free for more than two months now. It's almost become a distant memory until they turn on the news and look at the shiftiest elsewhere. My wife hates looking at her WeChat (more than 4000 acquaintance and business contacts due to work) because every day there are dozens and dozens of people posting of their care free entertainment and domestic travel. Not a mask in sight, for getting in for three months now.

How did they manage it? The formula was pretty simple - mandatory masks at the beginning (not five months later like the US and Europe), STRINGENT contact tracing, around 95% of incoming flights cancelled with STRICTLY enforced quarantine. Targeted and severe sacrifices - for a short period - and a clear end goal. Any country could have done the same. But but they're different over there.Yeah, thats right. They are getting on happily and we are moping about in masks and wondering when school is going to be cancelled. Europe (half a billion): 30,000 daily cases. China: (one and a half billion) fewer than 30 daily cases on average.

It's not that the virus doesnt exist at all in China, but that they've managed to get on top and stay on top. A couple of dozen cases a day in 1.4billion is...not a lot. Others have done well enough too: Taiwan, S.Korea, Malaysia, NZ. But basically the response Europe wide has just not been good enough. Why? wrong priorities, lack of foresight, complacency, lack of cooperation among EU nations, short termism, corporatism. You name it. Shined a real light on the paucity of our governments in the face of severe crisis. Yes, pandemics are beasts of nature, and to an extent people just have to get on with it with a small risk still out there, but we all had the resources at our disposal to do a hell of a lot better.

You so understand that people were dragged from their homes while screaming for help. If you even had a slight temperature you were thrown in a can. People who did not have covid were locked in giant rooms with hundreds that had.
I would gladly catch covid and die in a free country rather than live in one where people were and are treated like that. Funny that people lay praise on such nasty behavior.

Arghus

I've no doubt that schools will open, but I'll be pretty damn surprised if they still are 6/8 weeks after that.

Blondini

lukas8888 wrote: »

They never before needed much of an excuse to call in sick,now they have the greatest one imaginable.

Abso-fcuckin-lutely !

In fact, I can feel an awful dose coming on ... cough cough

road_high

Steve F wrote: »

Schools will be closed again 3 to 4 weeks after re opening....the dogs in the streets plus teachers have acknowledged this

The negativity is breath taking. They seem to be doing ok and managing in all other countries. People need to get on with it now, quit the endless excuses and dithering.

Steve F

Arghus wrote: »

I've no doubt that schools will open, but I'll be pretty damn surprised if they still are 6/8 weeks after that.

Not that long....huge spike after 3 weeks.... closed on 4th week....2nd week in October

Van.Bosch

Steve F wrote: »

Not that long....huge spike after 3 weeks.... closed on 4th week....2nd week in October

Why?

Steve F

road_high wrote: »

The negativity is breath taking. They seem to be doing ok and managing in all other countries. People need to get on with it now, quit the endless excuses and dithering.

Fair enough
I'll see you back here in October....we will agree to disagree till then

Arghus

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Well Holy God :eek: Dara the minister for agriculture should be sorting out the meat plants, people will revolt against this government and their "restrictions and recommendations"

I'm not a Shinner, but if this was in any way connected to SF RTÉ would have led with this on all bulletins on all media today.

We'll see nowhow much coverage they give it.

uncleoswald

polesheep wrote: »

It was never as bad as predicted and now it's fizzling out as an illness.

I wished you'd walked into a hospital in Bergamo at the hight of their outbreak and told them it really wasn't as bad as they made out.

If the virus becomes less deadly because of a mutation or better treatment or whatever then brilliant. But I'm not looking forward to idiots saying "see it was never that bad, it was just scare mongering."

Cameron326

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

You so understand that people were dragged from their homes while screaming for help. If you even had a slight temperature you were thrown in a can. People who did not have covid were locked in giant rooms with hundreds that had.
I would gladly catch covid and die in a free country rather than live in one where people were and are treated like that. Funny that people lay praise on such nasty behavior.

Thrown in a can? Hysterical nonsense I'm afraid. People were - are - contact traced, tested, and then told to isolate and given appropriate medical care if needed. Result is that only a few thousand are dead and the economy is recovering - also worth untold number of lives. If China had, say, the UK's record accounting for population size, they'd have more than A MILLION dead now. Imagine the headlines in the West about "evil China" then.

pjohnson

road_high wrote: »

The negativity is breath taking. They seem to be doing ok and managing in all other countries. People need to get on with it now, quit the endless excuses and dithering.

With less overcrowded classrooms? That would make sense.


Pretty sure Ireland had some of the most overcrowded classrooms in Europe.


Not that facts will matter of course.

Skid X

I don't think Dara Calleary will survive that golf beano, very poor lack of judgement from all involved.

DevilsHaircut

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

1.7% is less than 5%.

It's too much less for Cillian de Gascun to describe it as such.

He gave the impression (repeated in multiple posts here) that it was 4-5%.

He should have said less than 2%.

Or not said anything at all.

JP Liz V1

Arghus wrote: »

I'm not a Shinner, but if this was in any way connected to SF RTÉ would have led with this on all bulletins on all media today.

We'll see nowhow much coverage they give it.

RTE always pro FF and FG

JP Liz V1

Skid X wrote: »

I don't think Dara Calleary will survive that golf beano, very poor lack of judgement from all involved.

More bad press for FF, what a start in government

caveat emptor

feelings wrote: »

No we weren't. It was never going to be wiped out. It was suppressed and we did a good job getting to that point. We have to live with it now. Treatment has improved significantly. So what is the next plan?

I cringe to think... was Boris right... is it time for herd immunity?

If you think contracting it and ending up in ICU makes him right then yeah probably.
Also I'd say his insides are fvcked so we'll have to wait and see how right he was.

Just to add all of the people who died and their families probably wouldn't agree.
All 41,403 of them. I'm sure that was a factor in changing course.

Coillte_Bhoy

Arghus wrote: »

I'm not a Shinner, but if this was in any way connected to SF RTÉ would have led with this on all bulletins on all media today.

We'll see nowhow much coverage they give it.

In fairness the journalist only broke it after 7pm

road_high

Steve F wrote: »

Fair enough
I'll see you back here in October....we will agree to disagree till then

It easy point out the negatives, seek out the doom. What is the alternative to keeping schools shut indefinitely?

I listened to Joe Duffy today, awl bats rant on about how “dangerous” it all was- then said they've no solutions to offer up. Time for that mindless guff has now well passed

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

27,000 is too high.

8,000+ of those are health care workers, the vast majority of which were infected in work, I also imagine they went on to infect family members.

You would then have to further adjust the figure to capture mass outbreaks in enclosed areas.

Probably a more accurate measure would be community transmission, roughly 9000.

9000 x 9 = 81,000 +70,000 (to be generous).

150,000 odd infections.

My personal opinion, we escaped with a very "mild" first instance of the pandemic.

Today, the HSE has published results of the Study to Investigate COVID-19 Infection in People Living in Ireland (SCOPI): A national seroprevalence study, June-July 2020. This study, the first of its type in Ireland, measured antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 virus, which are an indication of past infection with COVID-19. The study reports a prevalence of infection of 0.6% in Sligo and 3.1% in Dublin. Based on these results, the HPSC estimates a national prevalence rate of 1.7%.

Dr Derval Igoe, Principal Investigator for SCOPI at the HPSC said:

It is not surprising that a relatively low national seroprevalence of 1.7% was observed here. Other countries in Europe, such as Spain and Italy, where there has been a much more intense epidemic, have reported national seroprevalence estimates of 5% and 2.5% respectively. This means that the vast majority of people living in Ireland had not been infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus by the time of the study. As a society, we need to continue with our public health measures, including physical distancing, respiratory etiquette, hand hygiene and the use of face coverings, until a vaccine for COVID-19 is available

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MerlinSouthDub

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

They're not telling us it's to open schools. They're telling us it's because it's unsafe.

They're telling us it's to reduce community transmission.

Spiderman0081

Cameron326 wrote: »

Thrown in a can? Hysterical nonsense I'm afraid. People were - are - contact traced, tested, and then told to isolate and given appropriate medical care if needed. Result is that only a few thousand are dead and the economy is recovering - also worth untold number of lives. If China had, say, the UK's record accounting for population size, they'd have more than A MILLION dead now. Imagine the headlines in the West about "evil China" then.

You must have slept through January if you think that people were not treated like this. It’s hysterical you think it’s hysteria.

JP Liz V1

polesheep wrote: »

It was never as bad as predicted and now it's fizzling out as an illness.

How many worldwide have died from it now

pjohnson

road_high wrote: »

It easy point out the negatives, seek out the doom. What is the alternative to keeping schools shut indefinitely?

I listened to Joe Duffy today, awl bats rant on about how “dangerous” it all was- then said they've no solutions to offer up. Time for that mindless guff has now well passed

So whats your solution to legitamate concerns?

LuasSimon

The government have to ensure all meat factories remain open and if Kildare has to remain closed that’s the price to look after Larry Goodman and keep the slaves going into work

US2

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

How many worldwide have died from it now

Not as many as the great 2009 swine flu pandemic

What Username Guidelines

I’ve no official source for the below, only myself, but we met with my daughter’s oncologist and immunologist today and we spoke about returning to school.

My daughter is due to start junior infants Monday week and is finished treatment. They are advising all children who are currently in treatment or post treatment to return as normal, and abide by usual oncology protocols (teachers will warn of suspected chicken pox or measles, etc).

They mentioned all covid cases were a child hospitalised for something else and the virus picked up by admissions testing req’d for all children. No child ended up in hospital as a result of covid symptoms. And no child currently on cancer treatment has been diagnosed with it.