Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I know rightly what my friends and family are all doing to keep as safe as we possibly can. He needs to talk some sense into his grandmother by the sounds of it.

The woman is 90 years of age!! It makes perfect sense to me that she live out the rest of her life as she sees fit and not lock herself away.

My father is almost 78. Cocooning would be worse than Covid so he chooses to continue on living. He doesn't have decades left so he is going to make the best of what he does have.

Arghus

Hard to call what's going to happen about the party. If he's going to go he'll be gone quick enough because it won't be allowed to hang around and become a bigger problem like Barry Cowen was. But he might just be able to brass neck it out - because there was all sorts at it from all political parties and judges and journalists. That's some handy cover and people mightn't want too many questions asked about their own colleagues behaviour.

The apology stinks though. Ah, I'm really sorry now that I've been rumbled.

Ce he sin

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Are these numbers correct? If so, Italy is doing superb

Well, they're from the source that worldometers uses....
Not sure how you can describe them as superb. Case numbers continue to rise (they're now back to late May figures) and there's a lag between notifications and entry to intensive care. Time will tell I'm afraid.

Eod100

Even Bosco has come out against Calleary.. :pac:

https://twitter.com/boscosbox/status/1296546972854358018

podgeandrodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I suspect I know more of them than you and most are definitely taking extreme care.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Strange comment I've a almost-90 year old grandmother who meets with her friend in cafe's every week, drives around doing shopping herself with barely any extra precautions other than a mask. Her friends do the same. Most older/vulnerable people are sick to death of staying at home.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not the vulnerable people I know.

Vicxas wrote: »

Most vulnerable people are cocooning.

Deleted User wrote: »

The woman is 90 years of age!! It makes perfect sense to me that she live out the rest of her life as she sees fit and not lock herself away.

My father is almost 78. Cocooning would be worse than Covid so he chooses to continue on living. He doesn't have decades left so he is going to make the best of what he does have.

As is my mother at 80. Totally had enough of the Government advice, especially the contradictory nature of it. Living her life and enjoying herself, while taking normal precautions like everyone else.

I've heard far more from people on here going on with the "don't forget the elderly", "what about the elderly", etc, but none of the elderly people I know are panicking just yet.

Deeper Blue

Calleary has to resign surely?

Italy has far superior data than ours. The vast majority are at home and hospitalisation is extremely low.

They have the current case numbers. First column is hospital, second is ICU third is home. No indication of presymptomatic or asymptomatic.

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Stheno

El Sueño wrote: »

Calleary has to resign surely?

You would think so

podgeandrodge

Eod100 wrote: »

Even Bosco has come out against Calleary.. :pac:

https://twitter.com/boscosbox/status/1296546972854358018

Betcha Bosco wouldn't be coming out if it was a non-white person, or perhaps a member of another minority religion though. Bosco is pretty left wing for a puppet.

Eod100

El Sueño wrote: »

Calleary has to resign surely?

It's a tricky one as FG senators at it too so they might not push too hard for that. SF will rightly make it an issue but as Dail off might brazen it out. Because government is so weak I wouldn't be surprised if he did tbh. It can't afford to sacrifice any goodwill they have left for 1 minister.

stephenjmcd

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1296557560787546114

:rolleyes:

The gift that keeps on giving

spookwoman

podgeandrodge wrote: »

As is my mother at 80. Totally had enough of the Government advice, especially the contradictory nature of it. Living her life and enjoying herself, while taking normal precautions like everyone else.

I've heard far more from people on here going on with the "don't forget the elderly", "what about the elderly", etc, but none of the elderly people I know are panicking just yet.

It's also to do with keeping hospital numbers down, out of ICU and off ventilators.
I know my parents are taking precautions because they don't want the virus, die and being a bed blocker.

timsey tiger

Always_Running wrote: »

April 16th was brought up at this evenings press conference. Was it the peak date? For comparison and some perspective.

Cases - April 16th 629 v today 136
Deaths - April 16th 43 v today 1
People in hospital - April 16th 865 v today 17
People in ICU - April 16th 144 v today 6

Re - April 16th < 1 v today > 1 for completeness and a better perspective.

caveat emptor

Arghus wrote: »

Hard to call what's going to happen about the party. If he's going to go he'll be gone quick enough because it won't be allowed to hang around and become a bigger problem like Barry Cowen was. But he might just be able to brass neck it out - because there was all sorts at it from all political parties and judges and journalists. That's some handy cover and people mightn't want too many questions asked about their own colleagues behaviour.

The apology stinks though. Ah, I'm really sorry now that I've been rumbled.

The inconsistencies of Irish society are being laid bare in a big way.
Whether it be the meat plant conditions.
The direct provision **** show.
The political circus.

There is a real dearth of leadership. It's lamentable really.

Ce he sin

Ce he sin wrote: »

I'm afraid I am. Here are the figures for intensive care:
6 Aug 42
7 Aug 42
8 Aug 43
9 Aug 45
10 Aug 46
11 Aug 49
12 Aug 53
13 Aug 55
14 Aug 56
15 Aug 55
16 Aug 56
17 Aug 58
18 Aug 58
19 Aug 66
20 Aug 68


Yes, the numbers are low compared to a couple of months ago, but they're up more than 50% in two weeks. It won't take long for the numbers to become large again.

Italy has far superior data than ours. The vast majority are at home and hospitalisation is extremely low.

They have the current case numbers. First column is hospital, second is ICU third is home. No indication of presymptomatic or asymptomatic.

From earlier poster.

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Polar101

El Sueño wrote: »

Calleary has to resign surely?

That's a good question. He was stupid to attend the dinner, and it's only right that there is backlash. And the excuses about "it was divided in two" were rubbish.

But on the other hand, should politicians always resign if they make a mistake? For example, Simon Harris had that one interview where he talked about the 19th Covid, should he have resigned after that?

Eod100

Polar101 wrote: »

That's a good question. He was stupid to attend the dinner, and it's only right that there is backlash. And the excuses about "it was divided in two" were rubbish.

But on the other hand, should politicians always resign if they make a mistake? For example, Simon Harris had that one interview where he talked about the 19th Covid, should he have resigned after that?

Of course not because that was an instant brain fart vs deliberate decision to attend the event, presumably invite went out in advance, had to arrange getting there etc, all conscious decisions. I can't see how his position is anyway tenable tbh.

Queried

Always_Running wrote: »

April 16th was brought up at this evenings press conference. Was it the peak date? For comparison and some perspective.

Cases - April 16th 629 v today 136
Deaths - April 16th 43 v today 1
People in hospital - April 16th 865 v today 17
People in ICU - April 16th 144 v today 6

Very interesting stats there, thanks for sharing. It's very heartening to see the drastic difference in death rates. Presuming this is related to the lower age of people contracting the virus at the moment. We need to keep the vulnerable safe. My worry is that it won't be easy coming into winter months. Some simply are not interested in cocooning and I really do understand why. Going to visit my grandparents tomorrow, who live a few hours away, and they were so upset when I told them I wouldnt be staying with them, instead staying in a hotel, was not an easy task. Don't want to think too much about Christmas because it's crap but who knows where we will be then!

JP Liz V1

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1296564302485299201?s=19

I read Robert Redford

Arghus

Polar101 wrote: »

That's a good question. He was stupid to attend the dinner, and it's only right that there is backlash. And the excuses about "it was divided in two" were rubbish.

But on the other hand, should politicians always resign if they make a mistake? For example, Simon Harris had that one interview where he talked about the 19th Covid, should he have resigned after that?

You can't compare the two things. They're completely different.

One was a tiny mistake, that really had no material effect.

Callery was at the cabinet meeting with NPHET on Tuesday. MM and Co went out later that day and announced further restrictions and asked people to limit their contacts. And DC - and plenty of others - still went to an event that completely undermines the government's message. At exactly the same time that MM is being crucified for a lack of leadership and mixed messages.

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

Of course not because that was an instant brain fart vs deliberate decision to attend the event, presumably invite went out in advance, had to arrange getting there etc, all conscious decisions. I can't see how his position is anyway tenable tbh.

I agree there is degrees of messing up. Does the act discredit you as a person? In Harris's case it was a Freudian slip that any of us could probably make. Personally I never heard of SD herd immunity or r rate before 2020. Whereas he broke rules that he knew or ought to have known.

timsey tiger

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree there is degrees of messing up. Does the act discredit you as a person? In Harris's case it was a Freudian slip that any of us could probably make. Personally I never heard of SD herd immunity or r rate before 2020. Whereas he broke rules that he knew or ought to have known.

Well he has given MM a chance to show leadership now, but I guess he hasn't got the balls for it.

timsey tiger

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well he has given MM a chance to show leadership now, but I guess he hasn't got the balls for it.

To sack 2 ministers in 2 months? Reeling in the years for 2020 will be about two hours long when it comes out. Every day is stuff that would happen over months in other years. As Leo said there are decades we're nothing happens and there are weeks we're decades happen.

Arghus

Deleted User wrote: »

To sack 2 ministers in 2 months? Reeling in the years for 2020 will be about two hours long when it comes out. Every day is stuff that would happen over months in other years. As Leo said there are decades we're nothing happens and there are weeks we're decades happen.

That was a quote from Lenin!

Arghus

Arghus wrote: »

That was a quote from Lenin!

Leo stole it as he did many during this year :pac::pac:

I miss his Hollywood style speeches. He was actually quite good at them.

lee_baby_simms

Arghus wrote: »

That was a quote from Lenin!

I am the walrus?

s1ippy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Leo stole it as he did many during this year :pac::pac:

I miss his Hollywood style speeches. He was actually quite good at them.

Ugh

stephenjmcd

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well he has given MM a chance to show leadership now, but I guess he hasn't got the balls for it.

Let's see what happens, he might be forced into it

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1296575362760093697?s=19

Reeling in the years 2020 might need an hour long special

Arghus

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

I am the walrus?

V.I. Lenin. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!

Santy2015

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Let's see what happens, he might be forced into it

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1296575362760093697?s=19

Reeling in the years 2020 might need an hour long special

Feature length film I reckon with a possibility of sequels

stephenjmcd

A person staying at the hotel with his family told the Irish Times he saw no evidence of social distancing when he witnessed the attendees arriving.

“No masks. No distancing,” said the the witness who asked that his name not be used.

He said he had to push his kids through two Oireachtas members whom he recognised to try to get to the lift.

“My 11 year old who is Covid anxious was hugely upset. The hotel has been brilliant all week on all Covid aspects. This was a really strange event with all that in mind.

“At the reception people were being introduced to each other and shaking hands. No distancing and no masks. We were flabbergasted.”

https://twitter.com/ConorGallaghe_r/status/1296582419441745920?s=19

Arghus

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Let's see what happens, he might be forced into it

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1296575362760093697?s=19

Reeling in the years 2020 might need an hour long special

Looks like his goose is already cooked so.

The fall out of who else was at it could get very messy.

stephenjmcd

Arghus wrote: »

Looks like his goose is already cooked so.

The fall out of who else was at it could get very messy.

A few senators there too, if one goes they'll all have to go surely

Santy2015

Just watched back Prime time. Anthony Staines was insufferable. Didn’t want to debate at all. Dismissed the Harvard Professor completely. Also the mask was a bit much in fairness. Another lad that needs his air time reduced to nothing at this stage.

FishOnABike

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A few senators there too, if one goes they'll all have to go surely

Dock them all 4% (fourteen days) salary and expenses.

Van.Bosch

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A few senators there too, if one goes they'll all have to go surely

Senators won’t matter - it’s not as if Dara is resigning as a TD, he will just be kicked out of cabinet.

fritzelly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Let's see what happens, he might be forced into it

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1296575362760093697?s=19

Reeling in the years 2020 might need an hour long special

At this rate it will be a series

Sierra Oscar

Lot's of deflection going on about Phil Hogan this and Donie Cassidy that but the reality is that Dara Calleary sat at the cabinet table and backed more restrictive Covid-19 measures. Then later that evening he went off and broke those very restrictions that he voted for. His position is blatantly untenable.

fritzelly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A few senators there too, if one goes they'll all have to go surely

If FG really want to kick in FF's teeth they could start by sacking putting a few on the sub bench first

stephenjmcd

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Senators won’t matter - it’s not as if Dara is resigning as a TD, he will just be kicked out of cabinet.

Thats true, there'll still have to be some sort of reprimand perhaps within the parties.

h2005

El Sueño wrote: »

Calleary has to resign surely?

He shouldn’t get to resign he should be sacked and if he’d any morals he’d resign as a TD

Van.Bosch

fritzelly wrote: »

If FG really want to kick in FF's teeth they could start by sacking putting a few on the sub bench first

You have the killer instinct!

But yeah FG take the high ground and reprimand some senators, pile the pressure on MM

stephenjmcd

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Lot's of deflection going on about Phil Hogan this and Donie Cassidy that but the reality is that Dara Calleary sat at the cabinet table and backed more restrictive Covid-19 measures. Then later that evening he went off and broke those very restrictions that he voted for. His position is blatantly untenable.

One question over Hogan will be when did he come back into the country and did he self isolate.

But yes fully agree after backing measures and doing that position untenable

Van.Bosch

stephenjmcd wrote: »

One question over Hogan will be when did he come back into the country and did he self isolate.

But yes fully agree after backing measures and doing that position untenable

It does have the feel of the night before Cowen was sacked, can’t be an easy night for FF

fritzelly

h2005 wrote: »

He shouldn’t get to resign he should be sacked and if he’d any morals he’d resign as a TD

You do know this is FF? Right?

Gerry Hatrick

h2005 wrote: »

He shouldn’t get to resign he should be sacked and if he’d any morals he’d resign as a TD

An Irish politican with morals?

joseywhales

I think the maximum limit on a golf course is 60, so will the golf club be shut down now?

Santy2015

stephenjmcd wrote: »

One question over Hogan will be when did he come back into the country and did he self isolate.

But yes fully agree after backing measures and doing that position untenable

Just going through some twitter replies and posts. He will have to resign and so will any other TD or senator. They blatantly broke the rules.
The amount of people responding about funerals, christenings etc is hard to read.
The Government once schools are open need to take stock, lay back and let the Irish people be irish people. Trust us to be responsible. I know I am and will continue to be.
If I was a betting man and I’d hope I’m wrong, Mary Lou will be in the hot seat come January/February

Always_Running

I was no big fan of Leo, Harris and Co but they look competent compared to the pack of clowns in government calling the shots now.

s1ippy

Anyone in a political office involved should be gone in the morning.

https://twitter.com/jerrybuttimer/status/1247921768477659136?s=20

^ Here's Butts talking out of two holes simultaneously.