Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Be right back

Santy2015 wrote: »

There’s your 80!!

And a doctor there too. Dr Michael Harty.

Be right back

Be right back wrote: »

And a doctor there too. Dr Michael Harty.

And Jerry Cowley

DeanAustin

timsey tiger wrote: »

I find in history the people who won't sacrifice principle are normally the ones who get most people dead.

For me dead people are worse than dead principles.

Then you’re advocating deciding what’s right or wrong based on the consequences of a decision rather than judging the act itself. If that’s our decision making process, it’s hard to chastise people in power when they make decisions based on their own personal self interest or their organisation’s interest over the greater good and you end up riddled with corruption.

Gerry Hatrick

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Leo Varadkar is the deputy leader of the country, his part has a 40% representation at cabinet. Just because they've managed to dodge the microphones the past few weeks does not mean Fine Gael should not be held to account. They are very much part of this government as well, just as they were very much part of the golf function in Clifden.

I didn't vote for any party by the way in the election, and I'm only mentioning that in case someome tries to accuse me of allegiance to one of the others. I just hate this double standard.

I'm sorry but if you didn't bother voting in the election you can't really complain about the behaviour of these clowns. Use your vote.

Plumbthedepths

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

I'm sorry but if you didn't bother voting in the election you can't really complain about the behaviour of these clowns. Use your vote.

The poster said they didn't vote any 'party' that's not the same as saying they didn't vote.

leck

Deleted User wrote: »

And Jerry Cowley

From an article in the Irish Times:

While the community doctor [Cowley] thinks the majority of Irish people have been “wonderful” in how they have responded to the virus, he said there are always a few who don’t like to be told what to do “and can be aggressive if you do tell them”.

Well now.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/prominent-gp-cowley-dreading-possible-second-wave-of-coronavirus-1.4319980

Gerry Hatrick

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The poster said they didn't vote any 'party' that's not the same as saying they didn't vote.

Yeah my bad. Just reading it back there. Apologies

Derek Zoolander

timsey tiger wrote: »

I find in history the people who won't sacrifice principle are normally the ones who get most people dead.

For me dead people are worse than dead principles.

As Juno said

Ah, you lost your best principle, me boy, when you lost your arm; them's the only sort o' principles that's any good to a workin' man

highgiant1985

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Plumbthedepths

leck wrote: »

From an article in the Irish Times:


Well now.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/prominent-gp-cowley-dreading-possible-second-wave-of-coronavirus-1.4319980

LOL.

Ha Long Bay

Deleted User wrote: »

And Jerry Cowley

leck wrote: »

From an article in the Irish Times:


Well now.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/prominent-gp-cowley-dreading-possible-second-wave-of-coronavirus-1.4319980

Are you sure it wasn't a different guy called Gerry Crowley?

gipi

I see Paudge Connolly's name on that snapshot of the guest list.

Mr Connolly was in Spain less than 2 weeks before attending the dinner... so he obviously decided not to self isolate for 14 days

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/former-td-attended-controversial-golf-dinner-days-after-trip-to-spain-1.4335903?mode=amp

polesheep

The real absurdity is the fact that the meal was forbidden in the first place.

polesheep

I would admire any of the 80 who would say "Yes, I went because it's not such a big deal."

Assetbacked

Justice for Berlin D2!

Plumbthedepths

Assetbacked wrote: »

Justice for Berlin D2!

Wonder has Noel Rock made any comment about Station House 81? He was prolific with his outrage on Twitter about Berlin.

Eod100

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Wonder has Noel Rock made any comment about Station House 81? He was prolific with his outrage on Twitter about Berlin.

Only thing on his Twitter about it. Dunno about any interviews or public comment on it though. https://twitter.com/NoelRock/status/1296542069352275969

Polar101

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Wonder has Noel Rock made any comment about Station House 81? He was prolific with his outrage on Twitter about Berlin.

Any good politician will know to join in, when they weren't the ones who screwed up.

https://twitter.com/NoelRock/status/1296795091781255168

Plumbthedepths

Eod100 wrote: »

Only thing on his Twitter about it. Dunno about any interviews or public comment on it though. https://twitter.com/NoelRock/status/1296542069352275969

He seems reserved, maybe his outrage level is dictated by the participants.

Eod100

Polar101 wrote: »

Any good politician will know to join in, when they weren't the ones who screwed up.

https://twitter.com/NoelRock/status/1296795091781255168

That too. Had missed that but yeah fairly vague

MickeyLeari

Eod100 wrote: »

That too. Had missed that but yeah fairly vague

Who is this is Rock lad?

Eod100

Interesting retweet from Dr. De Gascun

https://twitter.com/conor_pope/status/1296888872534761474

Eod100

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Who is this is Rock lad?

Former FG TD

Gael23

WHO suggesting this will be over in 2 years.
Is that realistic

ACitizenErased

Gael23 wrote: »

WHO suggesting this will be over in 2 years.
Is that realistic

As long as rich countries don't restrict third world countries from being vaccinated then yes it is entirely realistic

PixieValentine

DeanAustin wrote: »

By taking this attitude, we’re sacrificing principle - what’s right and wrong, for our own self interest. That’s the sort of thing that regularly gets lambasted on here.

What he did was either a sackable offence or it wasn’t. How good a job he’s doing or whether it’s cutting off our nose is really beside the point.

He genuinely can’t be fired by Leo or MM though. It’s not up to anyone here, it would have to be the EU. It’s not just that they’re not sacking him because of his position (though I do think Brexit would make that choice incredibly difficult if was up to the Taoiseach or Tanaiste here), it’s that nobody here can fire him. He would have to resign. And can anyone actually see him being willing to do that?

Stheno

Gael23 wrote: »

WHO suggesting this will be over in 2 years.
Is that realistic

Less for those countries who can roll out a vaccine first maybe?
A year maybe?

bb1234567

Gael23 wrote: »

WHO suggesting this will be over in 2 years.
Is that realistic

Well I don't know about the developing world but would certainly seem hard to see this going on another two years in the west with a vaccine on the cards

Polar101

Gael23 wrote: »

WHO suggesting this will be over in 2 years.
Is that realistic

There's a decent chance that vaccination might do that in the 2 years. Or if not, then everyone's already been infected by then.

Assetbacked

ACitizenErased wrote: »

As long as rich countries don't restrict third world countries from being vaccinated then yes it is entirely realistic

3rd world countries need to be vaccinated? Really?

The people at risk are generally not found in 3rd world countries.

Wanderer78

Assetbacked wrote:

The people at risk are generally not found in 3rd world countries.

So those from developing countries are more immune than developed countries?

mountgomery burns

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

I'm sorry but if you didn't bother voting in the election you can't really complain about the behaviour of these clowns. Use your vote.

I did vote in the election

timsey tiger

Polar101 wrote: »

There's a decent chance that vaccination might do that in the 2 years. Or if not, then everyone's already been infected by then.

Not a hope everybody is infected in just two years.

MerlinSouthDub

Gael23 wrote: »

WHO suggesting this will be over in 2 years.
Is that realistic

I think it was more optimistic than that. They compared it to the Spanish flu, which lasted 2 years, and said it should be less than that. We are already 6 months into it, so less than 18 months to go.

johnire

Can you explain that?

Assetbacked wrote: »

3rd world countries need to be vaccinated? Really?

The people at risk are generally not found in 3rd world countries.

niallo27

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So those from developing countries are more immune than developed countries?

Or they have bigger problems than covid. They probably couldn't give a **** about it.

DeanAustin

PixieValentine wrote: »

He genuinely can’t be fired by Leo or MM though. It’s not up to anyone here, it would have to be the EU. It’s not just that they’re not sacking him because of his position (though I do think Brexit would make that choice incredibly difficult if was up to the Taoiseach or Tanaiste here), it’s that nobody here can fire him. He would have to resign. And can anyone actually see him being willing to do that?

Yeah I get that. It’s a fair point. But I’ve seen a number of posts saying he shouldn’t go because “it wouldn’t be in Ireland’s best interest” or “he’s actually good at his job.”

It’s a hypothetical argument because he won’t resign but neither of those two points should form the basis of anyone’s opinion or else they’re advocating a corrupt society.

Wanderer78

niallo27 wrote:

Or they have bigger problems than covid. They probably couldn't give a **** about it.

Oh I'm not sure about that now, India seems to be in a lot of trouble with it

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200821155747.htm

INteresitng

Spanish Eyes

This is great entertainment no matter who you support.

But for the current Administration it is a disaster.

But It is happening in High Summer and MM is in Courtmac, and Leo couldn't give a sht. either.

Mad stuff but it is the Silly Season when most commentators are away too, hoping nothing happens in their absence.

I reckon they are relying on the peasants to just shrug this off. Huh.

Assetbacked

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So those from developing countries are more immune than developed countries?

No, not what I mean.

Life expectancy is generally under 70 in 3rd world countries, they aren't obese and covid falls down the pecking order of health concerns to the likes of poverty for example.

Marty Bird

What a cesspit we all live in. No matter what is said or done at the top its always the same zero accountability.

In this together.. Hold Firm.. makes we want to get sick.

niallo27

Marty Bird wrote: »

What a cesspit we all live in. No matter what is said or done at the top its always the same zero accountability.

In this together.. Hold Firm.. makes we want to get sick.

They have lost the public now, the restrictions mean nothing.

Wanderer78

Assetbacked wrote:

Life expectancy is generally under 70 in 3rd world countries and covid falls down the pecking order of health concerns to the likes of poverty for example.

Or maybe they just don't have the resources to deal with the virus, I'm sure these countries are terrified of this virus, but their health care systems are simply unable to deal with it, seems that way in India anyway

CalamariFritti

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh I'm not sure about that now, India seems to be in a lot of trouble with it

Its maybe just on a massively larger scale.

It appears that new cases begin to shallow out and they have 55,000 deaths right now. Thats 0.004% of their population.

I think what he's trying to say is the age structure is different in third world countries. Life expectancy is less.

Assetbacked

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Or maybe they just don't have the resources to deal with the virus, I'm sure these countries are terrified of this virus, but their health care systems are simply unable to deal with it, seems that way in India anyway

There are articles appearing which touch upon herd immunity being close in the likes of New Delhi;

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/millions-infected-coronavirus-delhi-survey-200821102647796.html

Which would render a vaccine pointless.

Vaccine talk is a carrot and stick way of getting the gullible masses to follow government orders a while longer. But it is only necessary for the vulnerable, in the same way the flu vaccine is given to the vulnerable each year.

Wanderer78

CalamariFritti wrote:

It appears that new cases begin to shallow out and they have 55,000 deaths right now. Thats roughly 0.004% over their population.

But they've been unable to get on top of it, since the breakout, so I'm sure it's a major concern for them, and many other developing countries

Jim_Hodge

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh I'm not sure about that now, India seems to be in a lot of trouble with it

India's not a Developing Country

Non solum non ambulabit

john4321 wrote: »

Are you sure it wasn't a different guy called Gerry Crowley?

Indeed. Jerry Cowley is not on the list I can see.

Assetbacked

Wanderer78 wrote: »

But they've been unable to get on top of it, since the breakout, so I'm sure it's a major concern for them, and many other developing countries

If they can't get on top of it, it will get them to herd immunity very quickly. So a vaccine would be pointless for that reason.