Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

mandrake04

mandrake04 wrote: »

Ireland didn’t have enough instrumentation, they relied on sending samples to Germany and that’s probably still the case.

More excuses....

speckle

Other options re testing that we should be looking at before schools open, we need to open our minds ..yes we have gold standard PCR tests... its not about getting rid of them but looking at cheap mass testing with near instant turnaround that could be used in at risk areas like factories, GP surgerys, work place and schools and in homes... no lab necessary

Info on the theory follows... question it.. pull it apart... but at least listen to the discussion

https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-640/

start video at 6.30 to get to testing part its the next 45 mins but listen to the first 10mins at least

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.22.20136309v2

pre print article referred too

https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1279086348310392840?lang=en

seanb85

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Reread what I said. You can’t ignore half the country.

The areas that aren't seeing notable increases are Connacht and the Ulster counties that are in the Republic. Which are also amongst the least populated.

3.7 out of 4.9 million live in either Leinster or Munster.

ACitizenErased

seanb85 wrote: »

The areas that aren't seeing notable increases are Connacht and the Ulster counties that are in the Republic. Which are also amongst the least populated.

3.7 out of 4.9 million live in either Leinster or Munster.

So just ignore the other 1.2 million, right.
Last time I checked, there’s 26 counties in the country and half of the country is 13 counties.

manofwisdom

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I dont have yesterdays numbers to hand but I dont think there's that many.

Pretty sure its fairly close for the last few days, could be about 20 or so out. Open to correction on that though, the numbers are on my laptop

33 swabs from previous days not counted yet but they might not all be cases.

ACitizenErased

ACitizenErased wrote: »

So just ignore the other 1.2 million, right.
Last time I checked, there’s 26 counties in the country and half of the country is 13 counties.

Also to add to this, the 500,000 people in Cork have one of the lowest incidences in the country, so you can take them out of your calculations too.

Oranage2

Some people are gas, 'Oh look my house is on fire, it's grand though it's not the neighborhood' 'Oh no the neighborhood is on fire, it's grand it looks like that was just a outlier, at least the school isn't on fire''Oh no the school is on fire, it's grand let's sent the kids back it's just a spark'

Bananaleaf

Oranage2 wrote: »

So people are gas, 'Oh look my house is on fire, it's grand though it's not the neighborhood' 'Oh no the neighborhood is on fire, it's grand it looks like that was just a outlier, at least the school isn't on fire''Oh no the school is on fire, it's grand let's sent the kids back it's just a spark'

This is, essentially, the 'plan'

ACitizenErased

Oranage2 wrote: »

So people are gas, 'Oh look my house is on fire, it's grand though it's not the neighborhood' 'Oh no the neighborhood is on fire, it's grand it looks like that was just a outlier, at least the school isn't on fire''Oh no the school is on fire, it's grand let's sent the kids back it's just a spark'

I’d rather not argue with people who ignore half the country, but that’s just me. Imagine how people in COVID-free Leitrim feel :rolleyes:

seanb85

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’d rather not argue with people who ignore half the country, but that’s just me. Imagine how people in COVID-free Leitrim feel :rolleyes:

Grand so.

drunkmonkey

No more nose swabs? Why a saliva test for COVID-19 could be a 'game changer'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/salivadirect-covid-test-1.5693375

Yale are making it opensource and free.

speckle

speckle wrote: »

Other options re testing that we should be looking at before schools open, we need to open our minds ..yes we have gold standard PCR tests... its not about getting rid of them but looking at cheap mass testing with near instant turnaround that could be used in at risk areas like factories, GP surgerys, work place and schools and in homes... no lab necessary

Info on the theory follows... question it.. pull it apart... but at least listen to the discussion

https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-640/

start video at 6.30 to get to testing part its the next 45 mins but listen to the first 10mins at least

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.22.20136309v2

pre print article referred too

https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1279086348310392840?lang=en

There is definitely some role for mass testing.

I suppose we are small country and should just piggy back on what some other counties are doing. UK Germany are doing saliva tests. I heard a poster earlier this week saying Greece was testing every other passenger on incoming flights. We need to be upping testing massively, rather than reacting when cases rise. Kingston Mills was banging on about this, this week re saliva tests. As Who says test, test, test.

bb1234567

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Onnagh Mc Guirk saying there the testing their doing is for coronavirus not covid19, it shows a positive for any coronavirus, is that true? Luke O'Neill getting serious boos.

Well you seem to believe it might be true otherwise I doubt you would have brought it up ,given that you know well most people here think that sounds very unlikely. So what is your theory then as to why we may be using tests that misleadingly identify anyone with a coronavirus as having Covid 19? Genuinely am curious when things like this pop up over and over again. Because the posters are definitely suggesting something and alluding to some kind of nefarious goings on but very rarely commit to any kind of theory or reasoning as to why they believe there is a conspiratorial side to the testing methodology.

Maybe it's out of embarrassment of stating their true beliefs as they know they are generally completely unverifiable and implausible.

Bananaleaf

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’d rather not argue with people who ignore half the country, but that’s just me. Imagine how people in COVID-free Leitrim feel :rolleyes:

But like ... have you forgotten how community transmission works? Or are the whole of Leitrim staying behind locked doors?

It might be Covid free now, but I doubt that will still be the case in 4 weeks time

Jim_Hodge

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Also to add to this, the 500,000 people in Cork have one of the lowest incidences in the country, so you can take them out of your calculations too.

What was the growth or reduction in cases by country per 100k population over 14 days?

Your figures are interesting but the immediate defensive position regarding Cork (or youth) takes from it.

I'm not saying you're wrong by any means but a table of cases by population would stymie any detractors.

ACitizenErased

Bananaleaf wrote: »

But like ... have you forgotten how community transmission works? Or are the whole of Leitrim staying behind locked doors?

What does that have to do with Leitrim having no cases? If there was increasing infection across the country, every county would be seeing increased cases.

is_that_so

speckle wrote: »

Other options re testing that we should be looking at before schools open, we need to open our minds ..yes we have gold standard PCR tests... its not about getting rid of them but looking at cheap mass testing with near instant turnaround that could be used in at risk areas like factories, GP surgerys, work place and schools and in homes... no lab necessary

Info on the theory follows... question it.. pull it apart... but at least listen to the discussion

That's not an argument you're likely to win with De Gascun. They've mentioned a number of tests over the months, including mass tests but they are wedded to accuracy. Glynn said there is work underway in relation to other ways of testing kids and that we will hear about it.

Bananaleaf

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What does that have to do with Leitrim having no cases? If there was increasing infection across the country, every county would be seeing increased cases.

Leitrim might not have any cases now, but that is very unlikely to continue to be the case the longer community transmission rises.

ACitizenErased

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Leitrim might not have any cases now, but that is very unlikely to continue to be the case the longer community transmission rises.

Community transmission has stabilised. That’s why the lockdown in Laois and Offaly ended.

drunkmonkey

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well you seem to believe it might be true otherwise I doubt you would have brought up given that you know most people think that sounds very unlikely. So what is your theory then as to why we may be using tests that misleadingly identify anyone with a coronavirus as having Covid 19? Genuinely am curious when things like this pop up over and over again. Because the posters are definitely suggesting something and alluding to some kind of nefarious goings on but very rarely commit to any kind of theory or reasoning as to why they believe there is a conspiratorial side to the testing methodology

Don't know that's why I asked, it seemed possible though.

is_that_so

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No more nose swabs? Why a saliva test for COVID-19 could be a 'game changer'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/salivadirect-covid-test-1.5693375

Yale are making it opensource and free.

No doubt our teams will take a look at it. That piece also said it's only got emergency authorisation so far.

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

What was the growth or reduction in cases by country per 100k population over 14 days?

Your figures are interesting but the immediate defensive position regarding Cork (or youth) takes from it.

I'm not saying you're wrong by any means but a table of cases by population would stymie any detractors.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Reread what I said. You can’t ignore half the country.

This was 11 August 14 day incidence by county. Anyone with up to date one to compare?

Micky 32

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Community transmission has stabilised. That’s why the lockdown in Laois and Offaly ended.

There’s obviously a cohort on here who just want us all locked down indefinately to suit whatever agenda they have.

mandrake04

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well you seem to believe it might be true otherwise I doubt you would have brought up given that you know most people think that sounds very unlikely. So what is theory then as to why we may be using tests that misleadingly identify anyone with a coronavirus as having Covid 19?

Maybe there is confusion with those saliva tests mentioned earlier, these tests don’t test for specific RNA sequences they test for chemical changes in the body when it gets sick...the problem is what are you sick from Covid, Rhinovirus, common cold, flu or food poisoning?

drunkmonkey

is_that_so wrote: »

No doubt our teams will take a look at it. That piece also said it's only got emergency authorisation so far.

The Yale one is FDA approved, it's an emergency unless I read the wrong memo.

ACitizenErased

My comment on Cork has absolutely nothing to do with what county I’m from. The poster stated 3 point something million live in Munster/Leinster, I said take .5 million out of that because Cork’s incidence is so low. That’s a fact, not a bias.
I’m not arguing anymore, the numbers are there to see, if people choose to define 7/8 counties as “most of the country” then so be it, a strange way of thinking.

Deeper Blue

ACitizenErased wrote: »

My comment on Cork has absolutely nothing to do with what county I’m from. The poster stated 3 point something million live in Munster/Leinster, I said take .5 million out of that because Cork’s incidence is so low. That’s a fact, not a bias.
I’m not arguing anymore, the numbers are there to see, if people choose to define 7/8 counties as “most of the country” then so be it, a strange way of thinking.

Don't even bother mate, I reckon if you said black others would say white

Jim_Hodge

ACitizenErased wrote: »

My comment on Cork has absolutely nothing to do with what county I’m from. The poster stated 3 point something million live in Munster/Leinster, I said take .5 million out of that because Cork’s incidence is so low. That’s a fact, not a bias.
I’m not arguing anymore, the numbers are there to see, if people choose to define 7/8 counties as “most of the country” then so be it, a strange way of thinking.

I give up. The 14 day figure per 100k went up in 14 counties and down in 10 with 2 unchanged.

Bananaleaf

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Community transmission has stabilised. That’s why the lockdown in Laois and Offaly ended.

I hope that is true. However, I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but I don't believe that.

Not here for a row, in fact, most of the time I just lurk. But I am quite concerned about what is going to happen over the next 4 weeks. Admittedly, more because of the fact that none of us know rather than me thinking I have all the answers.

It could all stabilise
It could go mental when the remaining sectors reopen between next week and Sep 13

There is something very stressful about having to make personal decisions and having to put trust in those making other ones, when you really have no idea what the outcome will be, and it doesn't help that for every study that tells us it'll be grand, there's a counter one telling us we are doomed.

:eek:

Oranage2

ACitizenErased wrote: »

My comment on Cork has absolutely nothing to do with what county I’m from. The poster stated 3 point something million live in Munster/Leinster, I said take .5 million out of that because Cork’s incidence is so low. That’s a fact, not a bias.
I’m not arguing anymore, the numbers are there to see, if people choose to define 7/8 counties as “most of the country” then so be it, a strange way of thinking.

Not having a go but I've no idea where any other poster is from on this forum except 1 Corkonian. Yes we all know cork is doing their part better than any other county Yada Yada Yada

lukas8888

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Leitrim might not have any cases now, but that is very unlikely to continue to be the case the longer community transmission rises.

Leitrim has now gone 20 days with no new cases.

owlbethere

El Weirdo wrote: »

Did you not read the names of who was involved in this protest? They are among the most stupid people in the country.

Yep, don't they have connections to the biggest wh0ring dirtiest tramp in Ireland?

Wild Field 1831

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What does that have to do with Leitrim having no cases? If there was increasing infection across the country, every county would be seeing increased cases.

The more sparsely populated a county generally the less Covid spread. Even in the April peak Leitrim's levels were low.

Plenty of areas in the US are Leitrim equivalents. But the country as a whole is doing poorly.

Putting such emphasis on a county of Leitrim's size and population density is undermining your argument.

Great Cork is doing well now but things change quickly with Covid outbreaks. You go on about Cork as if ye're some sort of superior breed intellectually and physically, and your compliance with anti Covid measures is so great ye wear ye're masks to bed.

ACitizenErased

Bananaleaf wrote: »

I hope that is true. However, I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but I don't believe that.

Not here for a row, in fact, most of the time I just lurk. But I am quite concerned about what is going to happen over the next 4 weeks. Admittedly, more because of the fact that none of us know rather than me thinking I have all the answers.

It could all stabilise
It could go mental when the remaining sectors reopen between next week and Sep 13

There is something very stressful about having to make personal decisions and having to put trust in those making other ones, when you really have no idea what the outcome will be, and it doesn't help that for every study that tells us it'll be grand, there's a counter one telling us we are doomed.

:eek:

We could all die from anything next week. Living like that is not healthy. Get on with life and look after your family, ignore everyone else.

ACitizenErased

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

The more sparsely populated a county generally less Covid spread. Even in the April peak Leitrim's levels were low.

Plenty of areas in the US are Leitrim equivalents. But the country as a whole is doing poorly.

Putting such emphasis on a county of Leitrim's size and population density is undermining your argument.

Great Cork is doing well now but things change quickly with Covid outbreaks. You go on about Cork as if ye're some sort of superior breed intellectually and physically, and your compliance with anti Covid measures is so great ye wear ye're masks to bed.

Galway must be proper mask wearers too. Would ya stop.

polesheep

lukas8888 wrote: »

Leitrim has now gone 20 days with no new cases.

It doesn't matter a damn what the county statistics are. It isn't the football or hurling championships. If there's a meat plant in a county then that county is likely to have cases. Having no cases in your county really is nothing to be proud of.

KrustyUCC

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This was 11 August 14 day incidence by county. Anyone with up to date one to compare?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296873609412194313?s=20

Up to Wednesday

Wild Field 1831

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Galway must be proper mask wearers too. Would ya stop.

Not as good as Cark though, everything is rosy in Cark :-D

An Ciarraioch

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296873609412194313?s=20

Up to Wednesday

As well as Cork, Kerry, Galway and Mayo also contradicting the claims here that counties with significant populations can't contain community transmission.

smellyoldboot

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

You go on about Cork as if ye're some sort of superior breed intellectually and physically.

I see it's your first time dealing with a Cork person. You'll get used to it.

owlbethere

Oh my god. I met someone. A local nonetheless. Well, she's adamant that the disposal masks are not disposal and they can be washed and hung up to dry. Do you know the blue surgical masks? They are flimsy blue paper type of masks. Her mask is so frayed now, there would be no protection whatsoever from it. I was able to see parts of her face where the mask was wearing down from the washes.

I mean like that's like rewashing condoms or washing disposable period pads. Christ almighty.

Gerry Hatrick

Get a load of these lunatics

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0822/1160698-anti-lockdown-protest/

Tin foilers at the ready folks

ACitizenErased

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

As well as Cork, Kerry, Galway and Mayo also contradicting the claims here that counties with significant populations can't contain community transmission.

Galway is just as impressive as Cork.

Bananaleaf

lukas8888 wrote: »

Leitrim has now gone 20 days with no new cases.

Look, don't misunderstand me. I'm not looking for another lockdown. But for as long as it's in the country, it is virtually impossible for any county to stay Covid free for very long.

It's great that Leitrim has been Covid free for 20 days. But New Zealand went 102 days and that is an entire country, yet it's back.

A nationwide lockdown is not a good idea. It would be better if Covid could just fcuk off by itself, but it isn't going to do that either.

The "agenda" that some people might have re: a second lockdown is, I would guess in most cases, because they have a vulnerable family member that they are terrified of giving it to. In their eyes it is just as selfish for you to want them to go on about their business and get on with things as it is for them to want to stay in lockdown.

It is very easy to see that the economy will be screwed if we go into another lockdown. But it is a huge ask to expect people with very sick and compromised loved ones to put that aside for the good of someone else's pocket, even if they know that it makes financial, albeit clinical, sense

mirrorwall14

Where do we get the testing numbers and positivity rates on this thread?

lukas8888

polesheep wrote: »

It doesn't matter a damn what the county statistics are. It isn't the football or hurling championships. If there's a meat plant in a county then that county is likely to have cases. Having no cases in your county really is nothing to be proud of.

So by your logic if Dublin reports no new cases for 7 days it is not relevant.

fr336

Micky 32 wrote: »

There’s obviously a cohort on here who just want us all locked down indefinately to suit whatever agenda they have.

Lockdown has lost its meaning. A lockdown isnt people being advised not to visit different households.

billybonkers

3 people in Eurofins lab in Sandyford have tested positive for the virus

Wild Field 1831

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I see it's your first time dealing with a Cork person. You'll get used to it.

I have had the pleasure before..

Eod100

owlbethere wrote: »

Oh my god. I met someone. A local nonetheless. Well, she's adamant that the disposal masks are not disposal and they can be washed and hung up to dry. Do you know the blue surgical masks? They are flimsy blue paper type of masks. Her mask is so frayed now, there would be no protection whatsoever from it. I was able to see parts of her face where the mask was wearing down from the washes.

I mean like that's like rewashing condoms or washing disposable period pads. Christ almighty.

Might as well be wearing a tissue over her mouth for all the good it would do tbh