Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Away With The Fairies

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm exercising, I don't need s gym to keep myself in shape.
I'm not a fan of the pc crap either.
I'm not a crazy guy that who breaks down everytime there's a bit of avl flu around the place either.
I'm not sending my kids back to school at the end of August. There's enough guinea pigs out there more concerned about money than their health do I'll let them pave the way. If after 8 weeks there is no issue then my kids will return to school.
I'm not a scientist, doctor or any type of medical professional. I'm just a parent who values the health of my kids. I'm a person who reads a lot and everything All I've read about this thing leads me to believe what I posted earlier.
I believe it's man made due to the after affects which is unlike any other virus as in there are organ problems for some people, pims for kids and extreme lethargy for others.
I believe that sending kids back to school is going to result in community transmission exploding.
I believe we don't know enough about this virus yet to make decisions as regards work, education and general socialisation.
I'm a person who has lived my life as a forward thinker. I like to.think I can look into the future a bit by using my education and experience and right now I'm finding it very hard to see our way forward.
I know how we can fix the problem, I called for it in these threads months ago. We have to shut down incoming travel. We need to now go back to stage 1 of the lockdown and stay that way until we have no cases. This will solve our problem, we can then remove travel restrictions with other countries who reach zero cases.
I said many months ago that a lockdown was very tough for everybody but that we should remain in it until we were clear because the economy would recover. We haven't fully opened back up yet but if we do and then end up with another lockdown we are in trouble financially.

What's worse about all this. We were so close to zero a few weeks ago, look at us now. A second lockdown or severe restrictions will be disastrous in so many ways.

fritzelly

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What's worse about all this. We were so close to zero a few weeks ago, look at us now. A second lockdown or severe restrictions will be disastrous in so many ways.

It's a temporary lockdown to minimize any community spread - nothing more

Onesea

High case numbers and less people in hospital. When does the narrative pick up on this? Empty hospital pandemic won't wash

Wanderer78

Onesea wrote:

High case numbers and less people in hospital. When does the narrative pick up on this? Empty hospital pandemic won't wash

Say wha?

Onesea

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Say wha?

Remember they locked down the city of Leicester.. Lots of cases but no extra people needing hospital. Doctors where left scratching their heads..

Wanderer78

Onesea wrote:

Remember they locked down the city of Leicester.. Lots of cases but no extra people needing hospital. Doctors where left scratching their heads..

Yup, there's still more we don’t know about this virus, than we do know, but we re learning fast, but I'm sure it's still got many tricks up its sleeves yet, it's a slippery little fcuker

Onesea

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yup, there's still more we don’t know about this virus, than we do know, but we re learning fast, but I'm sure it's still got many tricks up its sleeves yet, it's a slippery little fcuker

Which leads back to the original point

Wanderer78

Onesea wrote:

Which leads back to the original point

Sorry I'm not following?

Onesea

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Sorry I'm not following?

That's ok

Wanderer78

Onesea wrote:

That's ok

Sorry I'm really tired, I ll think about it

mean gene

theballz wrote: »

Was out and about today, sadly there are still many people going into shops, pharmacy’s etc without masks

From what I seen today, 90% of these people were over 60+, as leo mentioned today, we are turning into a blame culture, the finger is constantly pointed at young people throughout this pandemic. Today, however, I didn’t see a single young person without a mask.

Credit to them.

well i have to go the opposite on this -cork city 90 per cent compliant on masks where i was -only people not wearing them teenagers

there ya go basically idiots are idiots regardless of age

Onesea

The obsession with masks. No mask for the battle with the virus, no masks for reducing the virus, then oh we needs masks.

Hector Savage

eagle eye wrote: »

The famous old saying 'your health is your wealth' doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people these days.
They want to press on with life regardless.
We still don't know enough about this virus. If you get it and are asymptomatic it might not be the end of it. It could end up causing you organ trouble in a couple of months time. I'm not saying that will happen but I wouldn't rule it out. I'm convinced this thing is man made.
I understand money is important but it's not worth taking chances with.this virus. Stay safe until it's eradicated or we have a working vaccine is my belief.

Right so let's stay under our beds for decades then...

Hector Savage

Im going out now to get a coffee and croissant, I have to wear a muzzle - fair enough the cafe/bakery but on the street - where I'll meet no one ?? madness...

The pigs are about too, dying to give anyone a ticket ..

CIARAN_BOYLE

Onesea wrote: »

High case numbers and less people in hospital. When does the narrative pick up on this? Empty hospital pandemic won't wash

It's been addressed that testing is much higher now and more asymptomatic cases are being picked up.

I'd imagine that 60 now would be similar to 20 positive cases (and 40 unknown asymptomatic cases) back in March.

Drumpot

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-08-11-20-intl/index.html (Link is not ideal As it’s an update link)

Expert says children may be able to spread coronavirus like they spread the common cold
From CNN Health’s Lauren Mascarenhas
Children may be able to spread Covid-19 just as easily as they spread another type of coronavirus -- the common cold, said William Haseltine, a former professor at Harvard Medical School.

“There’s every reason to suspect that this virus, even though it can kill you, behaves pretty much like a cold virus, in terms of transmission. Who drives colds? Children drive colds,” Haseltine told CNN’s Anderson Cooper Monday.
“And that's true of almost all respiratory diseases, including the colds that are caused by coronaviruses. And this is one of those cousins,” he added. “It even uses the same receptor in the nasal passages as one of the cold viruses. It just happens to be a cold virus that also kills.”
Haseltine warned that children can be infected and infect others, so they should wear masks.

He said that children up to 5 years old can be “highly infectious to other people."

"It turns out they have a thousand times more virus in their nose than you need to infect, so they're very, very contagious," Haseltine said.

And stuff like https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/07/31/new-evidence-suggests-young-children-spread-covid-19-more-efficiently-than-adults/amp/ is completely contradicting what Dr Glynn has been saying about schools.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40030508.html%3ftype=amp

Dr Ronan Glynn, the acting chief medical officer, said while there will be outbreaks in schools when they reopen, only 2% of all reported cases are children and it appears “they don't transmit very effectively to other children or adults".

He said he was not downplaying the situation but was “not overly concerned".

I’m sorry but Glynn is talking through his hat. It appears at best you can say children do not seem to suffer as badly with COVID symptoms. The question on how much they can spread is unclear and not definitive, if it was clear cut Glynn would be able to provide more evidence then just his opinion. I really hate being lied to and this shakes my confidence in authorities.

I think we need schools opened and I do think it’s important for children (and parents) on multiple levels. But any decisions made and the reasons why need to be transparent and honest. This is a dishonest way of encouraging parents to let their children go to school that makes me really question the motives for certain information being promoted. We all need to be able to trust the authorities, I don’t trust them when it comes to schools, they are looking at the benefits of schools opening and working backwards to underplay the virus in a school environment to make it more palatable to concerned parents.

Wanderer78

Onesea wrote: »

The obsession with masks. No mask for the battle with the virus, no masks for reducing the virus, then oh we needs masks.

known to be effective in these kind of situations, our supply chains were not sufficiently prepared for such an event, it ll more than likely be addressed as the pandemic progresses

Hector Savage wrote: »

Im going out now to get a coffee and croissant, I have to wear a muzzle - fair enough the cafe/bakery but on the street - where I'll meet no one ?? madness...

The pigs are about too, dying to give anyone a ticket ..

dont wear it if you dont want to, we need the gardai, always

Gentleman Off The Pitch

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I'm totally confused. Where is the kids don't get it narrative coming from? That hasn't been said since February.

Well i don't know about a narrative that kids dont get it, but up until at least recently there have been many posts in the schools going back thread labelling teachers as lazy, craven, ordering them to get back to work like the rest of us and dismissing their concerns about the plans to return to school with big definitive statements that children are "low risk". Low risk to become infected and low risk to transmit the virus seemed to be stated interchangeably.

These statements were made even while there was already mounting evidence to the contrary and despite the fact that anyone with even a bit of sense realises that even the experts do not have the full picture about this novel virus yet.

caveat emptor

Do we honestly think that people are quarantining?
Do we even care?
Will we care when schools can't open safely.
Finland testing and mandatory quarantine for anyone coming from a country with over 10 per 100k of population.
We are currently at
Spain is levelling off but it's positivity rate is high at 5% suggesting decrease in testing relative to cases. This is suspect in my view given they now have the highest prevalence in eu. (not including Luxembourg).
Maybe testing is more targeted but generally if the positivity rate is increasing then it suggests that testing is not keeping up with spread.

• Two countries (Romania and Spain) had a weekly test positivity of 5% or higher.

https://covid19-surveillance-report.ecdc.europa.eu


To people who say that Spanish situation is localised etc.
That's bull**** based on the fact that 2 / 3 Spanish people don't leave the country for a foreign holiday which means they holiday at home and sure why wouldn't they.

Home to the famous Costa del Sol, as well as cultural cities such as Seville, Cordoba or Granada
(with the famous Alhambra), Andalusia is the top domestic destination for Spanish tourists,
which is logical considering their overall preference for sun/beach and cultural holidays

Why is it ticking up now though?

While June and July remain the most popular months for travel, the figures also show that 156,385 Irish residents travelled to Spain in August, 2015 alone. The five most popular destinations account for 90 per cent of Irish tourism to Spain. They are the Canary Islands, Andalucía, Cataluña and the Valencia Region, followed by the Balearic Islands (ranked in order of volume of visitors).

http://www.limelight.ie/spain/


I honestly don't believe enough people are quarantining.
I also believe that it's not necessarily their fault if they have paid for holidays
and they have mortgages / rent to pay etc. so 2 weeks unpaid is not an option.
I'd rather just be real about what's probably going on and address it instead of going AGAIN "Sure what could we have done"

https://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/4990341/tourism-source-market-insight-spain-2020?utm_source=dynamic&utm_medium=BW&utm_code=s932dk&utm_campaign=1356972+-+2020+Tourism+Source+Market+Insight+-+Spain&utm_exec=anwr281bwd

Hector Savage

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It's been addressed that testing is much higher now and more asymptomatic cases are being picked up.

I'd imagine that 60 now would be similar to 20 positive cases (and 40 unknown asymptomatic cases) back in March.

According to Fernando Simon in Spain (some epi... epidem.... epidemo... .... a mathematician) - he reckons Spain are picking up about 90% of cases now, but only 10% back in March.

It does make sense when you see the far less death/hospital rate, but how he is coming to 90% ???

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

known to be effective in these kind of situations, our supply chains were not sufficiently prepared for such an event, it ll more than likely be addressed as the pandemic progresses



dont wear it if you dont want to, we need the gardai, always

I agree. The masks not required spiel back in the early days had everything to do with stock levels and ensuring that the health sector had an adequate supply chain. Once manufacturers were ahead of demand, the advice was changed.

That’s my take on it anyway.

Hope everyone is doing ok

Onesea

Wanderer78 wrote: »

known to be effective in these kind of situations, our supply chains were not sufficiently prepared for such an event, it ll more than likely be addressed as the pandemic progresses



dont wear it if you dont want to, we need the gardai, always

Can you explain how front line workers in food retail weren't decimated. They weren't wearing masks.

Onesea

If they stopped testing we wouldn't even be aware of an illness.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I agree. The masks not required spiel back in the early days had everything to do with stock levels and ensuring that the health sector had an adequate supply chain. Once manufacturers were ahead of demand, the advice was changed.

That’s my take on it anyway.

Hope everyone is doing ok

I always took it as 50/50 between supply chain and giving time for the message to sink in.

They did a lot of talking about masks being risky. People tough their face etc. What they were doi g was educating people. This is not what you do with a mask on.

Onesea

Onesea wrote: »

Can you explain how front line workers in food retail weren't decimated. They weren't wearing masks.

They’re behind a plastic screen.

CIARAN_BOYLE

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I always took it as 50/50 between supply chain and giving time for the message to sink in.

They did a lot of talking about masks being risky. People tough their face etc. What they were doi g was educating people. This is not what you do with a mask on.

That makes sense too.

Onesea

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

They’re behind a plastic screen.

Who stocks the shelves?

Wanderer78

Onesea wrote: »

Can you explain how front line workers in food retail weren't decimated. They weren't wearing masks.

the retail sector reacted quickly, and had the capacity to do so, hopefully we rectify this in our health care systems, as it was extremely slow to respond in comparison.

Wanderer78

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I always took it as 50/50 between supply chain and giving time for the message to sink in.

They did a lot of talking about masks being risky. People tough their face etc. What they were doi g was educating people. This is not what you do with a mask on.

i was slow to react myself, initially thinking people were overreacting, how wrong was i!

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The self entitlement of some people who think they're above wearing a mask is shocking.

They're happy out not wearing one as their head is already up their hole so they're safe.