Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

CalamariFritti

Boggles wrote: »

You wouldn't give it to a test mouse based on that dangerous nonsense.

I'm sure you're speaking from your vast experience in vaccine development.

Martina1991

ACitizenErased wrote:

Because they set a minimum? I argue against using them as a maximum possible seroprevalence. Read everything you just quoted me saying, they miss out on people who were infected, meaning that the number provided is lower than is true. The number in England is likely higher than 6% based on this.

I know that. No country could use their findings as a max prevalence. They're just epidemiological studies.

But on several occasions you completely dismissed them, and are now posting seroprevalence studies as an actual valuable sourse of information.

It irked me, because you were dismissing the hours of work and man power it takes to validate, collect samples, perform, analyse and report findings for a large study as being useless.

ACitizenErased

Martina1991 wrote: »

I know that. No country could use their findings as a max prevalence. They're just epidemiological studies.

But on several occasions you completely dismissed them, and are now posting seroprevalence studies as an actual valuable sourse of information.

It irked me, because you were dismissing the hours of work and man power it takes to validate, collect samples, perform, analyse and report findings for a large study as being useless.

You have taken me up completely wrong, but okay.

Mental Mickey

Is there a presser on today?

PmMeUrDogs

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Is there a presser on today?

No, it was yesterday instead

is_that_so

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I'm sure you're speaking from your vast experience in vaccine development.

Even we mere mortals can see the danger of it only being tested on 76 people. There's a reason vaccines take a long time, they need to be safe and to be tested as widely as possible in trials. Now they may get very lucky here and that would be good news but would you really go for a shot like that?

The_Brood

The_Brood wrote: »

Russian mass vaccinations starting in October. The end of all this is finally in sight. At least, for governments interested in their citizens rather than stupid political games.

Or a lot of people suffering side effects of a vaccination that doesn't work.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Isn't smoking tobacco or cannabis meant to lessen your chances of catching covid as it blocks the receptors it latches onto, seems like a strange policy when science is pointing the other way.

Read the article, nothing to do with covid

Stevieluvsye

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Or a lot of people suffering side effects of a vaccination that doesn't work.

This

Let it take as long as it takes until we know it is fully safe

CalamariFritti

is_that_so wrote: »

Even we mere mortals can see the danger of it only being tested on 76 people. There's a reason vaccines take a long time, they need to be safe and be tested as widely as possible in trials. Now they may get very lucky here and that would be good news but would you really go for a shot like that?

I believe its perfectly normal at that stage to test on 76 people only? Tests on more people follow in later phases and yes they're skipping phases but surely they wouldnt test on more people if they had indications the thing wasn't safe.

I don't know why people are harking on about year long test phases. These take normally 4 to 7 years from what I've ready. Sure everyone can see why unprecedented measures have to be taken. Do you want to wait 4 years?

All the others vaccines even if they're only ready next year will be taking short cuts too.

Thierry12

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Positivity rate of 0.8% on swabs in last 24hrs, half of what yesterday's was.

Wouldn't read much into it

The tests we use are high specificity,the downside of that high specificity is that we miss many positives

Also depends on the day of infection.

The likelihood of getting a false negative test result is way higher on the 1st day of infection, than on the 7th day

False positive results ) are thought to be much less of an issue with pcr tests compared to false negative results.

It's a bit like law, we can only convict when 100% sure, 90% isn't enough to convict

The test itself is super sensitive.They have to be taken correctly, and even if they are taken correctly the virus has to be in the spot where the sample is taken.

All this 99% accurate is in perfect conditions, performed by a professional.

In the nursing homes for example the nurses that work there are doing the tests, they were shown for 5 mins how to perform the test, they are so inconsistent from nurse to nurse, they might as well not bother testing.

I've been tested 4 times now and each time was different, it's a hard test to give

Renjit

Smokers rejoice. If not covid then lung cancer :pac:

Spanish Eyes

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Or a lot of people suffering side effects of a vaccination that doesn't work.

Well ahem, Putin said he made sure his daughter took the vaccine, but he was obviously too afraid to take it himself. Joke of a country if it wasn't so dangerous and powerful. Dismiss immediately :P

is_that_so

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I believe its perfectly normal at that stage to test on 76 people only? Tests on more people follow in later phases and yes they're skipping phases but surely they wouldnt test on more people if they had indications the thing wasn't safe.

I don't know why people are harking on about year long test phases. These take normally 4 to 7 years from what I've ready. Sure everyone can see why unprecedented measures have to be taken. Do you want to wait 4 years?

Even all the others vaccines even if they're only ready next year will be taking short cuts.

Given that Putin is a good old fashioned propagandist you really can't tell what it is. Skipping phases is a very bad sign. If it is really that good why not announce and wait until after they do trials properly? Why hide the data on it, more importantly? Whatever sense we can make of in this evolving COVID-19 landscape, we have learnt to sniff out things that look dodgy and this looks dodgy.

As for a vaccine I'll get a shot when there's a safe effective one. Most of us are well down the list so even if we do get one quite soon it'll be well into 2021 before it's our turn.

wadacrack

MD1990 wrote: »

I had similar.
Took me about 4 weeks to get my energy.

Had no taste & smell & couldnt do anything for a week.
My taste & smell may not have fuly returned yet.

You are a long hauler. Hopefully in time that will return

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293953028178022400?s=20

ACitizenErased

92 new cases
0 deaths

Backlog well and truly cleared

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293953656778358793?s=20

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

92 new cases
0 deaths

Backlog well and truly cleared

What are the trends on this?

ACitizenErased

24 in Dublin, 24 in Kildare, 8 in Limerick, 6 in Carlow, 6 in Kilkenny, 5 in Meath, 5 in Clare, and remaining 14 cases are in Cork, Donegal, Kerry, Laois, Louth, Monaghan, Offaly, Waterford and Wicklow.

ACitizenErased

43 are men / 48 are women
72% are under 45 years of age
43 are confirmed to be associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
12 cases have been identified as community transmission

wadacrack

ACitizenErased wrote: »

92 new cases
0 deaths

Backlog well and truly cleared

Clusters now appearing throughout the country. Schools wont be able to stay open beyond 6 weeks or so. Clusters are even forming in GAA clubs now who in general have handled this very well

ACitizenErased

Dr Ronan Glynn, Acting Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, said; “We expected that this week the daily figures we report would rise and fall. NPHET is closely monitoring all trends, patterns and changes in the data, including not just case numbers but locations, age groups, and sources of transmission.

“We are asking those in Kildare, Laois and Offaly to hold firm and stay with us in the measures introduced last weekend. As today’s figures show, cases are also occurring in several other counties around the country. This is still about a united, whole of country approach. The only way we can effectively suppress COVID-19 across Ireland in the long term is if we act together to protect each other.

“Living with COVID-19 has undoubtedly been difficult and this pandemic has adversely impacted on people in many different ways. We know that what the public health advice asks you to do can be difficult, but we are asking you to stay the course with it.

“Individual actions break the chains of transmission of this virus. Avoiding crowded places, limiting your social contacts, working from home where possible, not attending house parties, keeping 2m distance, washing your hands and wearing a face covering - all of these safe behaviours matter, and all of them add up to make a significant difference.”

JP Liz V1

Munster Rugby have a case

Lyle

Waterford just lost their near month-long case free streak. Very few counties now more than a week case free. I think it's only Leitrim, Longford and maybe Sligo are 7+ days without a case.

The Unbearables

Terrible terrible numbers. It's spreading everywhere again.

blowitupref

ACitizenErased wrote: »

92 new cases
0 deaths

Backlog well and truly cleared

Yes a good number of yesterdays positive tests added in today by the looks of it.

Cases last two days - 132
Positive tests last two days - 143

wadacrack

The Lockdown probably should have been Kildare/Dublin(mainly due to it being obviously densely populated, more potential for it to grow) Laois numbers seem to be like the majority other counties. Too much emphasis on incidence rate per population which has its limitations especially in county with a low population.

shinzon

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Waterford

Damn our run of no cases is at an end how many cases anyone know ?

Shin

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

24 in Dublin, 24 in Kildare, 8 in Limerick, 6 in Carlow, 6 in Kilkenny, 5 in Meath, 5 in Clare, and remaining 14 cases are in Cork, Donegal, Kerry, Laois, Louth, Monaghan, Offaly, Waterford and Wicklow.

Limerick getting high cases again and the hospital a&e is full, damn parties

MD1990

schools re opening wont last very long

ACitizenErased

Analysis of cases as of midnight Tuesday 11th August - 26,938 cases (+40)

Healthcare Workers +2
Clusters +74
Cases associated with clusters +151

Age Range Affected
0-4 +1
5-14 +5
15-24 +8
25-34 +8
35-44 +7
45-54 +8
55-64 No Change
65-74 +2
75-84 No Change
85+ No Change

Cases by County
Clare +1
Donegal +1
Dublin +11
Kildare +11
Kilkenny +2
Limerick +2
Meath +1
Offaly +7
Roscommon +1
Wexford +1
Wicklow +1

Benimar

shinzon wrote: »

Damn our run of no cases is at an end how many cases anyone know ?

Shin

With 14 cases across the 9 counties listed, I’d be surprised if it’s more than 1 in Waterford. Hopefully!

froog

not good. we need to go back a step or two and fast.

ACitizenErased

Over half of cases today and yesterday in Dublin and Kildare. The remainder of the counties, aside from Waterford which is a weird one, are dealing with outbreaks that most are aware of (Limerick, Cork, Clare, Meath especially).

Gael23

Time to stock up on the toilet rolls!!!

Lyle

Any insights as to what's gone wrong in Clare recently? Was it that Kilkee party thing, did some major cluster happen or has it just been naturally ticking up? Picked up a lot of cases recently after going so long with none.

froog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Over half of cases today and yesterday in Dublin and Kildare. The remainder of the counties, aside from Waterford which is a weird one, are dealing with outbreaks that most are aware of (Limerick, Cork, Clare, Meath especially).

you're running out of ways to put a positive spin on this.

ACitizenErased

Lyle wrote: »

Any insights as to what's gone wrong in Clare recently? Was it that Kilkee party thing, did some major cluster happen or has it just been naturally ticking up? Picked up a lot of cases recently after going so long with none.

I'm assuming it's that. It's linked to Limerick too apparently. Sure Cratloe GAA had 6 players test positive alone.

JP Liz V1

Lyle wrote: »

Any insights as to what's gone wrong in Clare recently? Was it that Kilkee party thing, did some major cluster happen or has it just been naturally ticking up? Picked up a lot of cases recently after going so long with none.

Yes Limerick and Clare cases seem to be linked to Kilkee party

ACitizenErased

froog wrote: »

you're running out of ways to put a positive spin on this.

If I had a euro for every time someone on here said that to me I'd be a trillionaire.

bettyoleary

MD1990 wrote: »

schools re opening wont last very long

Heres the scenario Im from Liverpool so can only imagine it in my school.... "OOOOH Miss Ive got the virus cough cough cough" At this point all masks come off and all the kids start coughing and laughing!!!! Teacher having a breakdown, trying to teach the Russian Revolution and the suddenly thinking what child has this virus. Will I be responsible for this outbreak if I cant pick it up!!!!! Teacher suddenly needs to turn into an infectious virus specialist!!! You are joking me arnt you.

froog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If I had a euro for every time someone on here said that to me I'd be a trillionaire.

so you remain unconcerned?

shinzon

Benimar wrote: »

With 14 cases across the 9 counties listed, I’d be surprised if it’s more than 1 in Waterford. Hopefully!

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/08/13/new-case-confirmed-in-waterford-92-new-cases-nationally/#.XzVx_qeSk2w

Its one so far but Darren Skelton posted this a few minutes ago/


@Deisesupes
6m
Well it was inevitable. We did well to last this long. There have been a lot of rumours of a cluster in Waterford. The next few days will be interesting.

Shin

Stevieluvsye

Them numbers aren't that drastic. As outlined, they expected variations in numbers this week. 24 for Dublin is an extremely low number per capita

ACitizenErased

froog wrote: »

so you remain unconcerned?

Who said I'm unconcerned?

ACitizenErased

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Them numbers aren't that drastic. As outlined, they expected variations in numbers this week. 24 for Dublin is an extremely low number per capita

Stop talking sense and listening to the CMO, Stevie. Panic, dammit.

Stevieluvsye

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Stop talking sense and listening to the CMO, Stevie. Panic, dammit.

Sick of the merchants of doom here. Between schools, pubs & travel and some other clown having a meltdown about whether or not to go to the Cinema it would drain you.

We need to be more positive and take a pragmatic approach

ACitizenErased

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Sick of the merchants of doom here. Between schools, pubs & travel and some other clown having a meltdown about whether or not to go to the Cinema it would drain you.

We need to be more positive and take a pragmatic approach

The concept of living with this and getting on with life remains an abstract reality to some.

wadacrack

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Them numbers aren't that drastic. As outlined, they expected variations in numbers this week. 24 for Dublin is an extremely low number per capita

Its the fact that its growing rather quickly, this is without schools open and pubs. A few weeks ago 24 cases in one day was very high. Context is needed in this thread. In a few weeks you will have certain posters saying its only 150 cases today. Only a few clusters in schools. The positivity bias and lack of perspective is getting boring now.