Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Stevieluvsye

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The concept of living with this and getting on with life remains an abstract reality to some.

Indeed

bettyoleary

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Sick of the merchants of doom here. Between schools, pubs & travel and some other clown having a meltdown about whether or not to go to the Cinema it would drain you.

We need to be more positive and take a pragmatic approach

Well if you go on a ventilator and show it on youtube no bother.

ACitizenErased

wadacrack wrote: »

Its the fact that its growing rather quickly, this is without schools open and pubs. A few weeks ago 24 cases in one day was very high. Context is needed in this thread. In a few weeks you will have certain posters saying its only 150 cases today. Only a few clusters in schools. The positivity bias and lack of perspective is getting boring now.

You realise our 7 day average is dropping, yes?

Atlantic Dawn

With the opening up of restrictions and if you discount the meat factory cases we are doing good.

Trying to get a poster boy New Zealand result is dreamland, they can't even manage it.

Stevieluvsye

wadacrack wrote: »

Its the fact that its growing rather quickly, this is without schools open and pubs. A few weeks ago 24 cases in one day was very high. Context is needed in this thread. In a few weeks you will have certain posters saying its only 150 cases today. Only a few clusters in schools. The positivity bias and lack of perspective is getting boring now.

So when it goes down tomorrow maybe is that a good thing? Also remember we have increased testing

KrustyUCC

froog wrote: »

not good. we need to go back a step or two and fast.

Why?

Are you saying the entire country needs to go back to stage 2 or even stage 1?

mloc123

wadacrack wrote: »

Its the fact that its growing rather quickly, this is without schools open and pubs. A few weeks ago 24 cases in one day was very high. Context is needed in this thread. In a few weeks you will have certain posters saying its only 150 cases today. Only a few clusters in schools. The positivity bias and lack of perspective is getting boring now.

As is the doom and gloom schools will open, there will be clusters... We will get on with it.

ACitizenErased

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

With the opening up of restrictions and if you discount the meat factory cases we are doing good.

Trying to get a poster boy New Zealand result is dreamland, they can't even manage it.

Take Kildare and Dublin out of the mix and you've got ~40 cases a day for a population of 5 million, entirely sustainable.

Stevieluvsye

bettyoleary wrote: »

Well if you go on a ventilator and show it on youtube no bother.

What in gods jaysis name are you on about?

mr zulu

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Sick of the merchants of doom here. Between schools, pubs & travel and some other clown having a meltdown about whether or not to go to the Cinema it would drain you.

We need to be more positive and take a pragmatic approach

Those merchants of doom thrive on misery and bad news, the worst thing that could happen to them is the covid scenario ends.

Benimar

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You realise our 7 day average is dropping, yes?

No it’s not. It went up by over 3 today. 69 last Thursday dropping out, 92 today coming in.

stephenjmcd

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes Limerick and Clare cases seem to be linked to Kilkee party

Anything to back that up? Just wondering not seen anything about it.

Would be pure speculation to blame the outdoor gathering in Kilkee last week

is_that_so

mloc123 wrote: »

As is the doom and gloom schools will open, there will be clusters... We will get on with it.

If they get definitions/groups and protocols right there should not be a huge disruption but I think there will be cases anyway.

Benimar

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Take Kildare and Dublin out of the mix and you've got ~40 cases a day for a population of 5 million, entirely sustainable.

A come on! Take out the Kildare and Dublin cases, but not the population :pac:

drunkmonkey

Interesting to listen to the UK professor feeding into the WHO this evening in the covid special advisory committee.
Thinks we're making a mistake by not opening the pubs they've had 10 clusters out of 46,000 pubs which are a good place to study how the virus behaves and there is 0 evidence mask wearing works from what little experience they have in the UK it has the opposite effect and causes cases to rise. There's a real world study happening in Denmark at the moment with results to be published soon as to their effectiveness.
He pretty much said our knee jerk reactions have to stop there doing more harm than good. Our policys aren't based on all the evidence were cherry picking studies to support government policy which is plain wrong.

Always_Running

I see it as 66 cases the last two days than 40,92 as reported. Two days in a row for community transmissions to go into double figures, Kildare remain the worse hit of the 3 counties on lockdown.

ACitizenErased

Benimar wrote: »

A come on! Take out the Kildare and Dublin cases, but not the population :pac:

Do you deny that the majority of cases arising in this country come from Kildare and Dublin?

froog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You realise our 7 day average is dropping, yes?

unless you have different data it looks to me like it dropped just once yesterday and will be going back up today.

lee_baby_simms

The Unbearables wrote: »

Terrible terrible numbers. It's spreading everywhere again.

It’s already been everywhere.

ACitizenErased

froog wrote: »

unless you have different data it looks to me like it dropped just once yesterday and will be going back up today.

Today is the first time it has risen in 4 days.

Benimar

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do you deny that the majority of cases arising in this country come from Kildare and Dublin?

Do you deny the population is far less than 5m if you take out Kildare and Dublin?

wadacrack

mloc123 wrote: »

As is the doom and gloom schools will open, there will be clusters... We will get on with it.

Theirs 3 counties on lockdown atm. Their may not be a choice.

ACitizenErased

Some people on here need to go for a pint and chill out

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Anything to back that up? Just wondering not seen anything about it.

Would be pure speculation to blame the outdoor gathering in Kilkee last week

Meant to be a house party as opposed to that large outdoor gathering

spookwoman

Guess the merchants of doom are to blame for todays numbers, the 74 new clusters and the 151 cases associated with them :rolleyes:

froog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Take Kildare and Dublin out of the mix and you've got ~40 cases a day for a population of 5 million, entirely sustainable.

why ignore kildare and dublin ffs?

stephenjmcd

MD1990 wrote: »

schools re opening wont last very long

Well based on what the CMO has said they expect clusters from schools but doesn't mean they'll all close

Jim_Hodge

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You realise our 7 day average is dropping, yes?

No it isn't, it's rising.

ACitizenErased

Benimar wrote: »

Do you deny the population is far less than 5m if you take out Kildare and Dublin?

Sorry, I forgot that 40 cases for almost 3.6 million people is unsustainable

gmisk

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You realise our 7 day average is dropping, yes?

Barely...and only in last two days.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?yScale=log&zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-07-12..latest&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&smoothing=7&country=~IRL&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

ACitizenErased

froog wrote: »

why ignore kildare and dublin ffs?

Because over 50% of daily cases have come from there for the past 3 days?

ACitizenErased

I genuinely do not understand the surprise when cases increase, we were literally told yesterday this would happen

froog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because over 50% of daily cases have come from there for the past 3 days?

yup. again, why ignore them to suit your narrative? it's laughable.

Benimar

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Sorry, I forgot that 40 cases for almost 3.6 million people is unsustainable

Well why didn’t you just state that instead of skewing the numbers. Like your claim the 7 day average was going down?

In one sense I admire your 100% positivity, but it’s ok to admit when the numbers aren’t as good as they were.

ACitizenErased

Benimar wrote: »

Well why didn’t you just state that instead of skewing the numbers. Like your claim the 7 day average was going down?

In one sense I admire your 100% positivity, but it’s ok to admit when the numbers aren’t as good as they were.

Sorry, your opinion really means so much to me that I will stop

is_that_so

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Interesting to listen to the UK professor feeding into the WHO this evening in the covid special advisory committee.
Thinks we're making a mistake by not opening the pubs they've had 10 clusters out of 46,000 pubs which are a good place to study how the virus behaves and there is 0 evidence mask wearing works from what little experience they have in the UK it has the opposite effect and causes cases to rise. There's a real world study happening in Denmark at the moment with results to be published soon as to their effectiveness.
He pretty much said our knee jerk reactions have to stop their doing more harm than good. Our policys aren't based on all the evidence were cherry picking studies to support government policy which is plain wrong.

There is that quote about anuses and opinions! The academics have bickered amongst themselves with far too many of them want to be proven right. Schools then pubs is our strategy. So far, excluding the more recent midlands issues, we have not had to roll back on our decisions. We want to open schools and leave them open. Having high risk locations like pubs closed for a few more weeks is a small price to pay for that.

The Unbearables

Open it all up spin merchants on overtime I see.

froog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I genuinely do not understand the surprise when cases increase, we were literally told yesterday this would happen

who is surprised?

gmisk

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

No it isn't, it's rising.

Nope he is right.
80 on 11th august
78.3 on 12th
76.4 on 13th

But it was shooting up before that.

Jim_Hodge

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Take Kildare and Dublin out of the mix and you've got ~40 cases a day for a population of 5 million, entirely sustainable.

ACE you can't just take figures out that skew the result away from what you'd prefer. The number of counties showing cases (admittedly low) is growing.

I'm not overly concerned at the moment but the figures are what the figures are.

ACitizenErased

froog wrote: »

who is surprised?

You're joking?

froog wrote: »

not good. we need to go back a step or two and fast.

lee_baby_simms

Benimar wrote: »

In one sense I admire your 100% positivity, but it’s ok to admit when the numbers aren’t as good as they were.

Covid ICU beds are almost empty across the country. Replicated almost identically across the world where the virus has already risen and fallen.

Do you think that’s due to the competency of our leaders and medical experts and compliance of the public or is something else happening?

Harry Palmr

I think it's time to remove all the counties that have cases and declare Ireland Covid free.

Benimar

gmisk wrote: »

Nope he is right.
80 on 11th august
78.3 on 12th
76.4 on 13th

But it was shooting up before that.

Average has gone up today. Last thursdays 69 drops up, this thursdays 92 goes in.

Chart mustn’t have updated yet.

froog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're joking?

yep i said "not good". not "jesus christ what?? that is NOT GOOD!!!"

froog

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Covid ICU beds are almost empty across the country. Replicated almost identically across the world where the virus has already risen and fallen.

Do you think that’s due to the competency of our leaders and medical experts and compliance of the public or is something else happening?

it's because we have successfully protected those in high risk groups. and we need to keep it that way.

drunkmonkey

is_that_so wrote: »

There is that quote about anuses and opinions! The academics have bickered amongst themselves with far too many of them want to be proven right. Schools then pubs is our strategy. So far, excluding the more recent midlands issues, we have not had to roll back on our decisions. We want to open schools and leave them open. Having high risk locations like pubs closed for a few more weeks is a small price to pay for that.

There not high risk the evidence doesn't support that, I repeat 10 clusters from 46,000 pubs, we have 7,000 do the math on how risky they are.
There is no and I mean no evidence masks work outside a labatory, he had to even set the record straight when one of the Irish guys contradicted his point on them as he is an expert and an advisor to the WHO. It's not just his opinion, it's evidence based.

JP Liz V1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Anything to back that up? Just wondering not seen anything about it.

Would be pure speculation to blame the outdoor gathering in Kilkee last week

No concrete proof or fact just hearing of younger aged cases of individuals at the Kilkee party

Benimar

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Covid ICU beds are almost empty across the country. Replicated almost identically across the world where the virus has already risen and fallen.

Do you think that’s due to the competency of our leaders and medical experts and compliance of the public or is something else happening?

I think we have very high compliance from the public. I also think we now have potential ‘leakage’ that can hopefully be maintained.

I believe it could go either way. I’m not doom and gloom, but some of the positive spin being put on the numbers isn’t warranted either.

gmisk

Benimar wrote: »

Average has gone up today. Last thursdays 69 drops up, this thursdays 92 goes in.

Chart mustn’t have updated yet.

It's a rolling 7 day average I would say....it doesn't matter if it's 92 today and 69 last Thursday it's a rolling average.