Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

mloc123

Harry Palmr wrote: »

If you overlook those who's heart and/or lungs have been aged by decades in weeks this is true!

What percentage of cases is this? Anyway... My point was, there are lots of reports of long term affects... Lots of no long term affects. Basically we have lots of conflicting reports because in reality, we don't know.

blowitupref

Can someone explain to me why Gavan Reilly of virgin media news has the 5 day average at 76.14?

67+92+40+35+57=291 divided by 5 = 58.2

Oranage2

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Not by a long shot, public transport is still limited to essential journeys only.

Really? I thought it was for journeys that you Couldn't walk or cycle too

Tenzor07

Oranage2 wrote: »

The country is basically opened up except for alcohol only pubs and discos.

Far from being opened up...Majority of offices still closed 10's of thousands of people sat at home....
...... bingo halls/casinos closed, Bars closed, live music/nightclubs closed, limited service in Restaurants, cinemas, certain retail stores are click/collect/non-browse. Transport restricted to limited numbers. Essential council works only. Airports operating at reduced staff numbers. Travel abroad not permitted. Hospital waiting lists growing by the day due to Covid taking priority. Health centres running on limited capacity.

Gruffalux

Turtwig wrote: »

Do people seriously think almost every government in the world intentionally wants to cripple their own economy? It's about balancing the risk of your entire health care system being overwhelmed, with keeping the output of your economy as high as possible. Once you have sufficient spread in the community the shielding of the vulnerable groups crumbles. We're all connected; the most invulnerable person to COVID still has a connection with someone who is highly vulnerable.

That said, risks to the virus shouldn't be quantified in absolute terms of death. Even cancer isn't counted this way. Disease morbidity, duration of treatment and resources required are much better metrics.

Nah, less of your social cohesion talk mate, it's Logan's Run, innit.

The Unbearables

Oranage2 wrote: »

The country is basically opened up except for alcohol only pubs and discos.

Eh no.

Oranage2

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Far from being opened up...Majority of offices still closed 10's of thousands of people sat at home....
...... bingo halls/casinos closed, Bars closed, live music/nightclubs closed, limited service in Restaurants, cinemas, certain retail stores are click/collect/non-browse. Transport restricted to limited numbers. Essential council works only. Airports operating at reduced staff numbers. Travel abroad not permitted. Hospital waiting lists growing by the day due to Covid taking priority. Health centres running on limited capacity.

I'm sure people can still travel abroad. Many office workers are working from home. The reduction in staff numbers across many industries is due to demand, even if opened up people will be too scared out of fear of killing nanny, and right fully so.

lee_baby_simms

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Carlow is very very close to lockdown i think

Absolute lunacy.

Turtwig

mloc123 wrote: »

What percentage of cases is this? Anyway... My point was, there are lots of reports of long term affects... Lots of no long term affects. Basically we have lots of conflicting reports because in reality, we don't know.

Part of the problem here was health surveillance agencies were playing catch up from the start. Only recently has the dialogue begun about setting up COVID registries to track long term effects. Preliminary results suggest there is cause for concern here but it is far too early to draw any definitive conclusions.

"Recovered" with regard to COVID right now is a very vague term.

shinzon

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Far from being opened up...Majority of offices still closed 10's of thousands of people sat at home....
...... bingo halls/casinos closed, Bars closed, live music/nightclubs closed, limited service in Restaurants, cinemas, certain retail stores are click/collect/non-browse. Transport restricted to limited numbers. Essential council works only. Airports operating at reduced staff numbers. Travel abroad not permitted. Hospital waiting lists growing by the day due to Covid taking priority. Health centres running on limited capacity.

In otherwords as open as it can be due to covid people are just going to have to face it there is no going back to pre March in any meaningful way so be glad of what is open as its going to be this way for awhile

Shin

road_high

shinzon wrote: »

Easy to forget one of these days all of you here telling people to lock themselves away so the young can get on with whatever they want will also get old, just remember what you said on boards.ie on 14/8/2020 and see how you like it when your the one been told to lock yourselves away.

Absolute ageist bollocks

Shin

I’d say the exact same thing if I was elderly and had an underlying condition. See I’m not just a selfish deluded twat that thinks all life such seize because of me. These people pay the pensions, the economic activity needed to support the pensions and supports the less able all enjoy. Watch this space, this will be the only option going forward

PTH2009

Harry Palmr wrote: »

A mushroom plant has been closed in west Tipp

any relation to the mushroom field in Cavan that was updated to a class 3 relic :D

road_high

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No thanks , I don’t want to have to stay at home while meat plants carry on a ****eshow and young people gather in crowds to drink . I don’t want to stay in my house while some young people have house parties and factories pay no attention to social distancing .
We have done everything asked of us and still only go shopping or to parks or beaches . If everyone else plays along fine but until they do I won’t appreciate having to pay the price for some doing just as they please

Why should able bodied not at risk peole have to stay at home with you?
I think the work ethic in this country has collapsed. No one wants to get out and do anything anymore

podgeandrodge

road_high wrote: »

Yes you do. I think as this goes on and on that will be the only way. It’s utterly ridiculous leaving able bodied fit young people at home doing nothing when they can be out learning, working and contributing to the nation.
Otherwise we’re headed for a nation of do nothing cripples

shinzon wrote: »

Easy to forget one of these days all of you here telling people to lock themselves away so the young can get on with whatever they want will also get old, just remember what you said on boards.ie on 14/8/2020 and see how you like it when your the one been told to lock yourselves away.

Absolute ageist bollocks

Shin

Ahh feck off with giving him the 'ageist' accusation

There's plenty of older people would agree with him, that society has to live with this disease as much as possible and that the elderly and vulnerable need to take appropriate self responsibility. My 80 yr old mother is quite vocal in saying younger people need to go out and live their lives. Mind you, she's living her life too, and making the choices that work for her. Society can't perpetually protect the vulnerable either if a vaccine doesn't arrive.

Boggles

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Travel abroad not permitted.

Not permitted as in sure you can only anywhere you want?

smurfjed

but it's a discussion forum and people will challenge you if they think what you post is false.

What exactly did ACE post that was false, AFAICE he posted that the Irish figures if we removed certain counties weren’t bad, so where is the hassle? If you want his opinion on the 100% Irish figures, ask him.

As for me, I appreciate the effort that he puts in every day to educate all of us and I hope that he continues.

Also, considering that he is a young guy who has finished his degree, EMPLOY HIM.

iamwhoiam

smurfjed wrote: »

What exactly did ACE post that was false, AFAICE he posted that the Irish figures if we removed certain counties weren’t bad, so where is the hassle? If you want his opinion on the 100% Irish figures, ask him.

. HIM.

That makes no sense . Some counties figures are not bad yes but the Irish figures are . You can’t just remove counties and decide not to count them in a national figure .

Boggles

Coybig_ wrote: »

Fearmongering would make you sick tbh.

You think Western Capitalism has crashed itself for the Jollies?

Cool.

froog

smurfjed wrote: »

What exactly did ACE post that was false, AFAICE he posted that the Irish figures if we removed certain counties weren’t bad, so where is the hassle? If you want his opinion on the 100% Irish figures, ask him.

As for me, I appreciate the effort that he puts in every day to educate all of us and I hope that he continues.

Also, considering that he is a young guy who has finished his degree, EMPLOY HIM.

it's a discussion forum. people will debate.

fits

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Carlow is very very close to lockdown i think

I’ve been fearing this all week. Cases well dispersed throughout county too from what I know. Currently 14 day rate is > 30/100000

Onesea

So how many are dieing from c19 dilaily in Ireland?

petes

Onesea wrote: »

So how many are dieing from c19 dilaily in Ireland?

Why are you asking a question you know the answer to before asking? Trolling?

bb1234567

Onesea wrote: »

So how many are dieing from c19 dilaily in Ireland?

None! you'll be delighted to hear thanks to the hard work of the Irish community.

Seamai

Got my hair cut earlier this week and while waiting I noticed that the guy in front of me wasn't wearing a mask, the barber told me that he said he had a medical condition and couldn't wear one. What conditions would they be exactly? I'm guessing someone with certain respiratory conditions if anything would need to be a lot more careful.

froog

Onesea wrote: »

So how many are dieing from c19 dilaily in Ireland?

thankfully it's mostly younger people getting infected and the risk is much lower for them. the goal is to keep it like that.

Boggles

Turtwig wrote: »

Do people seriously think almost every government in the world intentionally wants to cripple their own economy? It's about balancing the risk of your entire health care system being overwhelmed, with keeping the output of your economy as high as possible. Once you have sufficient spread in the community the shielding of the vulnerable groups crumbles. We're all connected; the most invulnerable person to COVID still has a connection with someone who is highly vulnerable.

That said, risks to the virus shouldn't be quantified in absolute terms of death. Even cancer isn't counted this way. Disease morbidity, duration of treatment and resources required are much better metrics.

Exactly people can't seem to grasp the concept of what sort of shít would hit the fan if emergency care collapsed, especially in a country like Ireland.

Absolute carnage would be a glaring under statement.

Atlantic Dawn

froog wrote: »

thankfully it's mostly younger people getting infected and the risk is much lower for them. the goal is to keep it like that.

Nursing homes are now safer places, they had the majority of deaths.

bettyoleary

Onesea wrote: »

So how many are dieing from c19 dilaily in Ireland?

Have you missed the T? prob going to weight watchers

froog

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Nursing homes are now safer places, they had the majority of deaths.

yup. sadly it took a wave of deaths to get proper controls in place.

RebelButtMunch

Seamai wrote: »

Got my hair cut earlier this week and while waiting I noticed that the guy in front of me wasn't wearing a mask, the barber told me that he said he had a medical condition and couldn't wear one. What conditions would they be exactly? I'm guessing someone with certain respiratory conditions if anything would need to be a lot more careful.

Had he only one ear?

landofthetree

Only 2 cases each in Laois and Offaly. Could be a sign they can lift restrictions at the end of the 2 week period.

https://mobile.twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1294337372226822144

Check out the number of tests in the past 24 hours - 11,337 - that's the second highest number ever (highest was 12,076 on May 2nd).

So the test positivity rate has fallen again to 1.42%.

https://mobile.twitter.com/higginsdavidw


Good news you would have to say.

Lyle

Boggles wrote: »

Exactly people can't seem to grasp the concept of what sort of shít would hit the fan if emergency care collapsed, especially in a country like Ireland.

Absolute carnage would be a glaring under statement.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1159232/

819,000 people on waiting lists now. It could be a shocking winter if Covid gets too out of hand again. The illnesses and potential deaths from what are now "secondary" causes could be brutal if the hospitals get rammed. They're not filling up now, thankfully, and hopefully it stays that way.

Is this something RTE and others ever link in with trying to encourage people to keep up the Covid prevention behaviour? I'd say we all almost know someone who's waiting for some treatment or another that's been delayed, it could be a good motivator to push as a reason for people to keep the heads on straight and keep up the measures for the next few months.

blade1

Onesea wrote: »

So how many are dieing from c19 dilaily in Ireland?

Why,why,why... Dilaily

blowitupref

According to David W Higgins 11,337 tests done in the last 24 hours is the second highest number of tests in a 24 hour period (highest was 12,076 on May 2nd).

darjeeling

Martina1991 wrote: »

Cheap, quick, self administerd, having to do it a few times a day. Sounds more like something you'd get out of a lucky bag than a reliable tool to detect a contagious virus.

Our alternative to testing is social distancing, hand washing, ppe and masks if necessary.
Those are what stop the spread of the virus.

PCR is the gold standard method for viral detection.
Our testing is now picking up many asymptomatic cases. Cases that weren't being picked up before.
Our hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

We don't need cheap unreliable tests. It can't be controlled or monitored and will give people a false sense of security that they're fine and may flout safety guidelines as a result.

Yes, social distancing is what stops the virus when you can't do enough testing to curb the outbreak that way.

Social distancing has meant closing schools colleges and businesses.
A lot of people don't want to carry on with that kind of social distancing, me included.

'Gold standard' is a seductive phrase, but it doesn't have a scientific meaning.
The high sensitivity of PCR means that it returns positive tests even for people with very low levels of viral RNA. These are almost all people who ceased being infectious weeks earlier.

A less sensitive test could ignore these people because they are not contributing to the spread of the outbreak. From a public health point of view, the sensitivity of PCR is unnecessary. In fact, it can even end up meaning that contact tracers waste time chasing recent contacts of people who haven't been infectious for weeks.

owlbethere

Boggles wrote: »

That's pretty high.

That will be beyond some people.

BelovedAunt

Lads are pubs back open tomorrow? I've been invited to a birthday party in town so just wondering what the story is.

Ms2011

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Carlow is very very close to lockdown i think

Feck off, my son's Communion is next Sunday in Carlow, you can lockdown where you like then!!

road_high

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Ahh feck off with giving him the 'ageist' accusation

There's plenty of older people would agree with him, that society has to live with this disease as much as possible and that the elderly and vulnerable need to take appropriate self responsibility. My 80 yr old mother is quite vocal in saying younger people need to go out and live their lives. Mind you, she's living her life too, and making the choices that work for her. Society can't perpetually protect the vulnerable either if a vaccine doesn't arrive.

Any I've spoken to have...they're not the pointless fossils many paint them as...many older people are still heavily involved in their own businesses, prgamatic, worked and appreciate that the economy can't go on like this. Rightly worried for their future pensions and healthcare under a decimated economy.

And your mother is dead right.

road_high

Ms2011 wrote: »

Feck off, my son's Communion is next Sunday in Carlow, you can lockdown where you like then!!

Well they gave LOK a few hours notice so anything is possible.

road_high

Seamai wrote: »

Got my hair cut earlier this week and while waiting I noticed that the guy in front of me wasn't wearing a mask, the barber told me that he said he had a medical condition and couldn't wear one. What conditions would they be exactly? I'm guessing someone with certain respiratory conditions if anything would need to be a lot more careful.

How about minding your business and if uncomfortable out the door and go somewhere else...other peoples medical issues are no one's business but their own.

Ms2011

road_high wrote: »

Well they gave LOK a few hours notice so anything is possible.

I know, that's what I'm afraid of:o

Boggles

BelovedAunt wrote: »

Lads are pubs back open tomorrow? I've been invited to a birthday party in town so just wondering what the story is.

GazzaL

road_high wrote: »

Any I've spoken to have...they're not the pointless fossils many paint them as...many older people are still heavily involved in their own businesses, prgamatic, worked and appreciate that the economy can't go on like this. Rightly worried for their future pensions and healthcare under a decimated economy.

And your mother is dead right.

I know people in their 60s and 70s that are working 6-7 days a week because they enjoy it. Some people need to get a grip on reality, we need to get on with out lives. Money doesn't grow on trees, and as individuals, businesses and as a country, we need to work to enjoy a decent standard of living. We're already more than generous with social welfare as a country.

petes

GazzaL wrote: »

I know people in their 60s and 70s that are working 6-7 days a week because they enjoy it. Some people need to get a grip on reality, we need to get on with out lives. Money doesn't grow on trees, and as individuals, businesses and as a country, we need to work to enjoy a decent standard of living. We're already more than generous with social welfare as a country.

So we protect the elderly, the vulnerable, immunocompromised, where is the cut off? Over 50s too?

How is that going to work. Who is goin to do the work of the people in some of these these categories that are employed which would be a lot I'd imagine.

It's all well and good saying we need to open up and get on with it on a message board but when you haven't a notion how to do it or what's involved logistically I don't see the point posting it.

bodhrandude

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Far from being opened up...Majority of offices still closed 10's of thousands of people sat at home....
...... bingo halls/casinos closed, Bars closed, live music/nightclubs closed, limited service in Restaurants, cinemas, certain retail stores are click/collect/non-browse. Transport restricted to limited numbers. Essential council works only. Airports operating at reduced staff numbers. Travel abroad not permitted. Hospital waiting lists growing by the day due to Covid taking priority. Health centres running on limited capacity.

Not in Galway, they're all open in Salthill and the city, cinemas are open too.

kenmc

Ms2011 wrote: »

Feck off, my son's Communion is next Sunday in Carlow, you can lockdown where you like then!!

A communion no less. Sounds like a fantastic idea.

FFS.

We don't even have more than 200 including players at an outdoor sporting event yet bloody communions are going ahead?

Unbelievable.

What Username Guidelines

Haven't been following thread today, but I see there are now 8 in ICU on the dashboard

Looking at the HSE daily report this morning got me thinking... Has anyone in government or NEPHT re-iterated our goal recently?

All the "in it together" stuff at the start and we need to flatten the curve, etc. All done. We had a peak and hospitals didn't get overwhelmed thankfully. I understand we could see another peak, etc, and I'm not an open it up and see what happens advocate – but now they've locked down LOK, when hospitals are almost empty and not nearly at risk of being overwhelmed, or even need to think about using surge capacity, makes you wonder about the strategy here.

So what's the idea? It's like we've fallen in between elimination and flatten the curve and no one is really managing the bigger picture. Is it just hope the vaccine arrives at some stage and no one asks questions in the meantime?

screamer

Unless we see the cases reducing, we won’t see the schools opening or if we do, they will be closed again pretty soon.
Carlow I think is teetering on lockdown alright, the cases per 100k are high, most I’ve heard of are linked to the factories in lockdown already, and the hospital in Kilkenny is struggling to cope between covid19 and a superbug outbreak.

spookwoman

kenmc wrote: »

A communion no less. Sounds like a fantastic idea.

FFS.

We don't even have more than 200 including players at an outdoor sporting event yet bloody communions are going ahead?

Unbelievable.

Surely god will protect them