Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

fly_agaric

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Posted this on reddit the other day but it might be useful here as well, just so people know what it looks like if you get a close contact warning through the app.

Notification

App

Also if you dig into the settings and check the Exposure Checks (Settings > Search for "COVID" > COVID-19 Exposure Notifications > COVID-19 Exposure Logging > Exposure Checks) you can see if any of them have a number larger than zero beside "Matched Keys".

Thanks for that, interesting to see what it (warning from the application) looks like - hopefully won't see the real thing.

s1ippy

screamer wrote: »

Well if it doesn’t it’ll take out a lot of the idiots anyways. Likely we’ll have some sort of vaccine or the virus will burn itself out. Till then we have to be safe and smart but I suppose those are virtues idiots don’t possess.

Yeah a lot of healthcare professionals must be idiots to have gotten this.

What a terrible thing to say from your position, sitting on your ass somewhere it can't get you.

LiquidZeb

CruelSummer wrote: »

Deaths are very low at the moment, 0 again today. There’s almost no-one in hospital. Admissions are minimal, if any as many Covid hospital patients have other conditions also.
In Ireland on average 90 people die per day...we don’t get daily announcements about it, lockdowns or constant scaremongering.
I asked the question on the restrictions thread earlier in the week, is there any data out there to suggest the virus is losing its potency? A huge amount of people getting diagnosed currently are asymptomatic / very mild symptoms. They’re only being picked up by close contact tracing + then thrown onto our daily Covid numbers.

I brought up the 90 deaths a day myself and I was told essentially that non covid deaths matter less. Priorities.

screamer

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah a lot of healthcare professionals must be idiots to have gotten this.

What a terrible thing to say from your position, sitting on your ass somewhere it can't get you.

I’m not talking about healthcare workers so feck off with your whatabouttery. I’m talking about joe public who couldn’t be bothered to maintain social distancing or adhere to the rules when covid19 is actively circulating.

owlbethere

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You genuinely think they'll stop counties with less than 10 daily cases from opening their schools? Nonsense.
140 cases in Kildare and Dublin, next highest is Tipp with 13. Schools will open.

Counties with less than 10 daily cases can grow into more cases. Especially now with complacency has set into a lot of the population.

The only way that schools and evens pubs reopening is if the government comes down heavy on the population. Large fines for people who don't isolate themselves if they have a cold or they have respiratory symptoms like cough.

LiquidZeb

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah a lot of healthcare professionals must be idiots to have gotten this.

What a terrible thing to say from your position, sitting on your ass somewhere it can't get you.

I would genuinely love to know who some lads here think they are. Branding Oxford professors of virology ****wits, some were.

Ficheall

I've lost the post where I saw it, but the (don't worry it's only) clusters are less than 50% now, right? So there's a big chunk of community transmission and travel related cases?

ACitizenErased

We crossed 700,000 tests today by the way - good landmark to reach. 143,000 tests per million places us above Italy.

ChikiChiki

Them numbers are nothing short of a disaster. So many mistakes to get us to this point.

ACitizenErased

Ficheall wrote: »

I've lost the post where I saw it, but the (don't worry it's only) clusters are less than 50% now, right? So there's a big chunk of community transmission and travel related cases?

Not clusters, outbreaks. Outbreaks are large clusters.

CalamariFritti

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Over 6 months. The majority of which had serious underlying issues and were elderly.

Sympathy for them and their families of course but deaths were always going to happen and occur every day for a myriad of reasons.

0 deaths in days and only 14 in hospital in the whole country. Those are the important numbers, not the ever increasing running total that only promotes the hysteria and fear seen in this thread tonight.

People caught a virus that will be of little risk to the vast majority of them. That's what the evidence is showing and that (along with the numbers above) is what matters.

Plus that number is quite doubtful. Died with COVID, suspected COVID. And could have been 1000 less had we not fkd up with the nursing homes.

froog

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Over 6 months. The majority of which had serious underlying issues and were elderly.

Sympathy for them and their families of course but deaths were always going to happen and occur every day for a myriad of reasons.

0 deaths in days and only 14 in hospital in the whole country. Those are the important numbers, not the ever increasing running total that only promotes the hysteria and fear seen in this thread tonight.

People caught a virus that will be of little risk to the vast majority of them. That's what the evidence is showing and that (along with the numbers above) is what matters.

you still don't get it. right now younger people are getting it. and it is much less dangerous for them. but the more this thing spreads, the greater the chance they pass it to older or high risk people and then we see start seeing the deaths. you remember what happened in the nursing homes yes?

ACitizenErased

Completely missed this - the electoral region cases map was updated 12th August!
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Jim_Hodge

screamer wrote: »

Well if it doesn’t it’ll take out a lot of the idiots anyways. Likely we’ll have some sort of vaccine or the virus will burn itself out. Till then we have to be safe and smart but I suppose those are virtues idiots don’t possess.

A crass comment considering all those who have been extremely ill due to this.
The healthcare workers I know who contracted the virus were, I can assure you, no idiots.

CalamariFritti

froog wrote: »

you still don't get it. right now younger people are getting it. and it is much less dangerous for them. but the more this thing spreads, the greater the chance they pass it to older or high risk people and then we see start seeing the deaths. you remember what happened in the nursing homes yes?

But also the more people get it the less it can spread as it runs out of new hosts.

froog

Ficheall wrote: »

I've lost the post where I saw it, but the (don't worry it's only) clusters are less than 50% now, right? So there's a big chunk of community transmission and travel related cases?

i'm sure they'll move the goalposts again. maybe ignore a few more counties or something.

Drumpot

Checking in after dinner.

s1ippy

screamer wrote: »

I’m not talking about healthcare workers so feck off with your whatabouttery. I’m talking about joe public who couldn’t be bothered to maintain social distancing or adhere to the rules when covid19 is actively circulating.

Look nobody deserves to get sick. Some people will make mistakes and others will be careless and there's always the odd windowlicker in every group but anyone with an iota of compassion will be able to leave blame out of it.

Next thing you could be one of the "idiot"s that get it and you'll be hoping people aren't casting aspersions so callously.

Boggles

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I hate to break it to you but not having bowel screen, cervical and breast check running has only increased the problem. Or by the sounds of your Blaise attitude is that acceptable?

You are minimizing the largest public health crisis in a generation with false equivalency and nonsensical rambling but you are calling me "Blaise".

Cool.

Also you should read up on screening, unfortunately it is not the magic bullet the "it's just flu bro" cohort would you lead you to believe.

ACitizenErased

Ficheall wrote: »

I've lost the post where I saw it, but the (don't worry it's only) clusters are less than 50% now, right? So there's a big chunk of community transmission and travel related cases?

Here's your link:
Almost half of new Covid-19 cases in Ireland last week linked to workplace outbreaks


https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/almost-half-new-covid-19-22522135

landofthetree

Strumms wrote: »

Why do you wonder if they are effective, virologists and medical people have been advocating their use from the outset .

Without masks you’d see cases and deaths rise.

Some have. Some havent.
The advice in Ireland at the start was not to bother with them.

https://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/38343-hse-advice-remains-the-same-little-value-in-masks-unless-you-are-ill-or-in-a-medical-setting

0gac3yjefb5sv7

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So aren't they still having plastic, sanitiser and training? Again, what effect do you expect from this?

On that line in bold...
Are you running out of arguments so you're trying to ridicule me?

Basically what Strumms says two posts below me. Once everyone does it they wouldnt have the balls not to do it. And the pressure from media and social media. And its not going to do any damage (hopefully). So give the people what the people want. No conspiracy required. They wouldnt be smart enough for that anyway.

That they aren't getting the virus. So your point is null.

So why do you think all guidance globally has been to wear a mask in addition to the common sense that blocking your mouth and nose obviously stops a certain amount of fluids?

Arghus

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I brought up the 90 deaths a day myself and I was told essentially that non covid deaths matter less. Priorities.

Who said that?

Goldengirl

Oranage2 wrote: »

The drug manufacturing industry love obesity and unhealthy diets.

You've high blood pressure? Take blood pressure pills

You're fat? Take some weight loss pills

You've diabetes? Take some of these pills etc

They're certainly not advertising good health can lessen the effects

The drug industry would be interested in selling drugs...yes .
Just like the alcohol industry will sell alcohol .
And the tobacco industry tried to tell everybody that smoking was good for you back in the day ..and guess what , some are trying to say that smoking prevents Covid now !
I think we know that salesmen will try to sell.

You go to a doctor or nurse for help with with high blood pressure , diabetes or obesity, you will not be sent away with pills , unless there is no other way .
You will however be given instructions to go on a diet and ,use weight , take exercise, cut out salt and fats , perform relaxation and mindfulness techniques etc

spookwoman

Here are the numbers for community transmission and close contact / outbreaks since they started publishing at the start of the month. There is none for travel.

Cazale

Benimar wrote:

Yes, cases in 18 of the 26 counties today.

10 of the 11 councils in the north had cases today too.

Renjit

Arghus wrote: »

Loads I'm sure.

I distinctly remember a few weeks back certain posters saying they wouldn't get concerned as long as the daily case numbers stayed under 25/30 a day.

The new normal has shifted

Mask deniers are in full swing here. I dont see that change. For them wearing mask is the reason in increase :cool:

podgeandrodge

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Anyone on here from Kildare able to comment on mask compliance? Genuinely interested in if people actually wear masks in the areas we're seeing biggest increases.
I only say that because in Cork we're seeing low numbers with high compliance.

road_high wrote: »

People really losing their heads here. Calm down. Wearing masks simply because you’re outside is stupid and makes no sense. Think rationally for gods sake instead of jumping off the next available cliff.
Masks have done flip all to kerb the latest spike.

road_high wrote: »

Not from Kildare but neighbouring county and often in Kildare since masks came in. Compliance as high as anywhere else really. Zilch to do with masks or not in my opinion. This is in people’s homes and workplaces

what the hell! wrote: »

Lots of people with chips on their shoulders when it comes to Cork. We can’t help it that we’re all wearing masks and doing so well at the moment.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

For the umpteenth time so. Empirical evidence.

No spread in supermarkets, virtually no staff infected. All through March, April, May, June, July. With no masks. With hundreds if not thousands of customers coming through every day. Staff handling their goods and cash. Talking to and interacting with them. Staff stocking the shelves amongst the customers. All with no masks.

So we masks mandatory in supermarkets.

Expecting what effect from this exactly?

landofthetree wrote: »

Governments are sheep.

Once the Brits and European governments brought in masks we followed.

Can you imagine the reaction if we didn't?

Im pro masks in public but I do wonder are they effective? They dont seem to be stopping casess rising all over Europe.

Like most, I'm wearing masks because they are mandatory. I think they may be of use in crowded public transport where you can't do sweet feck all about people sniffling and coughing beside you for an hour, and other confined spaces for a significant amount of time, but outside that I think it's a big big mistake to attribute low cases in certain areas to mask compliance.

Only a couple of months back we had feck all community transmission and practically zero cases in supermarkets (and I don't buy into the counter argument that there were less people shopping in them, not significantly less and it's easy to distance in a supermarket).

No doubt whatsoever that a mask will help if you're unlucky enough to be sneezed or coughed on, but let's face it, that doesn't happen that much. And wandering around Tesco doesn't put you in the frontline of a heavy viral load or, as the Govt. still states, close contact for 15 minutes.

So imo, having a qualification to give uneducated opinions on Covid transmission, the increase in community transmission has nothing to do with lower mask compliance in those areas. And as others have pointed out, mask compliance is pretty high everywhere anyway.

I know I'll be flamed for my opinion, but if masks disappeared tomorrow from easy to distance retail spaces, I don't think it would impact cases that much.

Cases are coming from workers in close proximity to each other (who should wear masks if that's the case) and in certain accomodation types.

Gael23

Ships are not enforcing masks for fear of upsetting their customers and losing business

Leftwaffe

I'm clinging to the idea that it has lost potency. So many asymptomatic cases.

You'd really have to wonder how many people have/had it altogether. It's obviously much more prevalent than we know. This has to be a good thing?

CalamariFritti

MattS1 wrote: »

That they aren't getting the virus. So your point is null.

You have to explain this one to me.

They already weren't getting the virus. So now they're REALLY not getting it. Is it that?

Van.Bosch

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

I'm clinging to the idea that it has lost potency. So many asymptomatic cases.

You'd really have to wonder how many people have/had it altogether. It's obviously much more prevalent than we know. This has to be a good thing?

I’d like to agree but why would it lose potency?

ACitizenErased

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

I'm clinging to the idea that it has lost potency. So many asymptomatic cases.

You'd really have to wonder how many people have/had it altogether. It's obviously much more prevalent than we know. This has to be a good thing?

If there’s no significant rise in admissions two to three weeks from now we can assume this is true. I don’t buy the whole “its only young people getting infected” malarky.

ThunbergsAreGo

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

I'm clinging to the idea that it has lost potency. So many asymptomatic cases.

You'd really have to wonder how many people have/had it altogether. It's obviously much more prevalent than we know. This has to be a good thing?

Yeah i am surprised there isn't more being asked about this

ThunbergsAreGo

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I’d like to agree but why would it lose potency?

Viruses adapt, its not in its interests to kill us, as it then dies itself

Gael23

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

I'm clinging to the idea that it has lost potency. So many asymptomatic cases.

You'd really have to wonder how many people have/had it altogether. It's obviously much more prevalent than we know. This has to be a good thing?

I think it’s a case of the elderly looking after themselves and doing everything they can not to catch it.
However it won’t take long before their children/grandchildren to infect them

Leftwaffe

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I’d like to agree but why would it lose potency?

Im going to say first of all that I'm not a scientist and don't claim to know much if anything about viruses. But from what I've read they can often mutate in order to be more transmissible, when they mutate they often lose their potency.

That's the reason why the likes of ebola will never cause a pandemic, it kills its host before it has a chance to spread it.

Strumms

My mother having to babysit my father again.. he wants to go to church to get confession... our local parish have dispensed for now with using confession boxes, instead it’s in a large conference room at the back of the church, you go, say your piece, get ‘absolved’ whatever the fûck.

He dislikes the idea and is humming and hawing about going to another church where the traditional confession is happening. So he will gointo a tiny poorly ventilated, poorly lit booth where probably 30 people have been in there in front of him, unknown what if any disinfection / sanitizer protocols are in use, yes, brilliant fûcking idea...

Chris_5339762

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yeah i am surprised there isn't more being asked about this

It seems to my untrained eye that it has surged all over Europe at almost precisely the same time. There does appear to be a marginal increase in hospitalisations, but not the rush thats been expected.



Could there have been a mutation to a more potent but less lethal form? It all seems too much of a coincidence to me, and I can't explain (in my untrained way) why its all happened seemingly at once.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You have to explain this one to me.

They already weren't getting the virus. So now they're REALLY not getting it. Is it that?

The poster said masks were not useful as supermarket workers have not got it. I wrote off this incorrect logic.

normanoffside

Gael23 wrote: »

Ships are not enforcing masks for fear of upsetting their customers and losing business

You’d hardly need a mask in nice fresh sea air surely?

LiquidZeb

Boggles wrote: »

You are minimizing the largest public health crisis in a generation with false equivalency and nonsensical rambling but you are calling me "Blaise".

Cool.

Also you should read up on screening, unfortunately it is not the magic bullet the "it's just flu bro" cohort would you lead you to believe.

Yeah one typo demolished my argument. So breast check and other cancer screenings are all for the craic? What's your authority on that?

caviardreams

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I’d like to agree but why would it lose potency?

Some of it could be the viral load argument i.e. as we are keeping distance, wearing masks etc. you are exposed to less of it, so are affected less. The swiss army study somebody mentioned a while back, and the fact healthcare workers are more frequently affected could back this up. So if you do catch it from a 2m distance or whatever it is less potent

landofthetree

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yeah i am surprised there isn't more being asked about this

An Italian doctor/consultant said it a while back but others disagreed.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2370OQ

CalamariFritti

MattS1 wrote: »

The poster said masks were not useful as supermarket workers have not got it. I wrote off this incorrect logic.

That poster was me. And how is it incorrect logic? They weren't getting it. Now they wear masks. Presumably still not getting it. Question I was asking was what is the mask effect then?

Goldengirl

polesheep wrote: »

Not necessarily. If it's a case that the virus is having less of an effect now on those infected, then it's all positive.

It shows there is a greater amount testing positive in the community, just that those tested are not sick
Testing is now showing up the asymptomatic who would not have tested in March April. Young and healthy mostly so less virulent infection for them.
Just as bad for others but those particularly vulnerable are benefiting from the measures like social distancing and handwashing , and testing tracing and u.timately isolation of these clusters...now that is all positive !

Tenzor07

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I’d like to agree but why would it lose potency?

Each time a Virus makes a copy of itself and they do in the millions, gives a greater chance of bad copies being made, so as it jumps from host to host it gets weaker and eventually most people won't know they have it or die with it.

Strumms

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I know I'll be flamed for my opinion, but if masks disappeared tomorrow from easy to distance retail spaces, I don't think it would impact cases that much.

.

Most retail spaces meet this criterial.

I was in a hardware store today that would be considered ‘easy to distance’...problem is, the facility might enable distancing, but distancing itself is down to individuals... 100% of people cannot be trusted or will just make an error, masks are required, simply needed.

Jim_Hodge

Gael23 wrote: »

Ships are not enforcing masks for fear of upsetting their customers and losing business

I assume you meant shops. In which case maybe you should say some shops. Every shop, bar one, I have been to has insisted on masks and refuse entry without them. The one that allowed people without masks has lost custom as some people will no longer go to them because of the lax protocols.

ThunbergsAreGo

landofthetree wrote: »

An Italian doctor/consultant said it a while back but others disagreed.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2370OQ

Remember reading that exact article

It does seem to be a trend with previous deaths being denotified and a surge in cases not leading to a surge in hospitalisation/deaths