Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

fritzelly

Onesea wrote: »

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(20)30627-9.pdf


What's peoples opinion on this?

Why not tell us your opinions on a 5 month old paper

political analyst

In a letter published in the Indo yesterday, Dr Aaisha Khan, from Dún Laoighaire, wrote that the American Academy of Paediatrics recommends universal use of cloth face-coverings by children aged two and older at school and other group settings and that, as a parent, she feels even a small risk is not worth taking until all known precautionary measures are in place.

But life is full of risks, i.e. crossing the road, travelling by car, being struck by lightning.

A young person who is not overweight and has no serious underlying problems is very unlikely to become seriously ill if he or she gets the virus.

caveat emptor

More concrete evidence of airborne viable virus.
Detected in air in isolation room in hospital that changes air 6 times per hour, uses triple filtration, uv sterilisation. Still found viable virus 27 feet away.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1294996756959199234?s=20

boggerman1

caveat emptor wrote: »

More concrete evidence of airborne viable virus.
Detected in air in isolation room in hospital that changes air 6 times per hour, uses triple filtration, uv sterilisation. Still found viable virus 27 feet away.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1294996756959199234?s=20

Stay indoors for the rest of time if you like.some of us have decided to live life come what may

eagle eye

Our government are amazing. Clearly they are of the opinion that we are all stupid. Just keeping the head down saying nothing about any changes in the spread of covid-19 and our schools reopening is still full steam ahead. Released stuff on Friday evening about it so they didn't have to face questions about it and give people the whole weekend to think about the questions asked.
We badly need new younger politicians in a new party to get rid of this deadwood.

OscarMIlde

smurfjed wrote: »

the test may be infallible but the operators aren’t. My colleagues and I are tested every 5 days or less, the less is usually based on someone getting a false positive or inconclusive test. I have one colleague who has tested positive twice and was always negative in the subsequent tests.

There are false negatives all right but not false positives. Not unless the samples are contaminated.

peasant

political analyst wrote: »

A young person who is not overweight and has no serious underlying problems is very unlikely to become seriously ill if he or she gets the virus.

They're also very unlikely to even know that they are infected.

Isn't that great?





And in the meantime the have the potential to infect anyone they get that little bit too close to ..including their elderly relatives, their colleagues / customers with underlying conditions, etc.


It's so tiring that months into this thing this simple fact still has to be explained over and over and over again:mad:

Loafing Oaf

political analyst wrote: »

In a letter published in the Indo yesterday, Dr Aaisha Khan, from Dún Laoighaire, wrote that the American Academy of Paediatrics recommends universal use of cloth face-coverings by children aged two and older at school and other group settings and that, as a parent, she feels even a small risk is not worth taking until all known precautionary measures are in place.

But life is full of risks, i.e. crossing the road, travelling by car, being struck by lightning.

A young person who is not overweight and has no serious underlying problems is very unlikely to become seriously ill if he or she gets the virus.

A: We don't know the long-term effects but there are worrying straws in the wind
B: They could infect an elderly/vulnerable family member

JP Liz V1

giveitholly wrote: »

A further 18 positive cases from the mushroom factory in Golden with further results due on Monday

Not that it matters I am just curious but are the workers foreign?

spookwoman

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Just saying that the final community transmission numbers will be higher as it seems to take a week or more to resolve all the 'possibles'.

That looks like the pattern in the 'How is the virus being transmitted slide' from Philip Nolan.

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1290403171865681920

I agree, wish they would stop using random % for transmission number sand give proper ones.

political analyst

political analyst wrote: »

In a letter published in the Indo yesterday, Dr Aaisha Khan, from Dún Laoighaire, wrote that the American Academy of Paediatrics recommends universal use of cloth face-coverings by children aged two and older at school and other group settings and that, as a parent, she feels even a small risk is not worth taking until all known precautionary measures are in place.

But life is full of risks, i.e. crossing the road, travelling by car, being struck by lightning.

A young person who is not overweight and has no serious underlying problems is very unlikely to become seriously ill if he or she gets the virus.

Reminds me of someone on here saying sure it's only measles.

The full letter and some stats in it.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/children-are-vulnerable-to-covid-19-and-face-coverings-should-be-compulsory-in-all-schools-39451432.html

OscarMIlde

smurfjed wrote: »

I’m not in ireland, local ministry of health sends teams to each of our 3 locations, results within 24 hours

On Tuesday I shall do my 23rd test.

Are they PCR based tests or antibody tests? Antibody tests are not very reliable.

boggerman1

boggerman1 wrote: »

Stay indoors for the rest of time if you like.some of us have decided to live life come what may

Every time I read something like this I'm reminded of a drunk thrown out of the pub mouthing of at the bouncer about what they will do to them and then running away when the bouncer moves towards them.

caveat emptor

boggerman1 wrote: »

Stay indoors for the rest of time if you like.some of us have decided to live life come what may

If you knew anything about the virus by now
you'd know that outside is actually a lot safer.
I'll continue to live and socialise outside to limit the spread of transmission.
Like a responsible person.

So if you want to have a go best phrase it as.....

"Stay outdoors for the rest of time if you like.some of us have decided to not give a fvck and come what may"

Ohmeha

7 day average numbers staying stubbornly stable for the past 9 days

Day Month Date Cases 7 Day
Monday July 27th 11 18.14
Tuesday July 28th 40 18.71
Wednesday July 29th 14 18.29
Thursday July 30th 85 29.43
Friday July 31st 38 32.00
Saturday August 1st 45 35.00
Sunday August 2nd 53 40.86
Monday August 3rd 46 45.86
Tuesday August 4th 45 46.57
Wednesday August 5th 50 51.71
Thursday August 6th 69 49.43
Friday August 7th 98 58.00
Saturday August 8th 174 76.43
Sunday August 9th 68 78.57
Monday August 10th 57 80.14
Tuesday August 11th 35 78.71
Wednesday August 12th 40 77.29
Thursday August 13th 92 80.57
Friday August 14th 67 76.14
Saturday August 15th 200 79.86
Sunday August 16th 66 79.57

LuasSimon

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Not that it matters I am just curious but are the workers foreign?

Of course they are and all working for minimum wage like the meat factory’s ..... people who speak English and might ask for a toilet break are not welcome in the slave houses of Ireland

MerlinSouthDub

Ohmeha wrote: »

7 day average numbers staying stubbornly stable for the past 9 days

Day Month Date Cases 7 Day
Monday July 27th 11 18.14
Tuesday July 28th 40 18.71
Wednesday July 29th 14 18.29
Thursday July 30th 85 29.43
Friday July 31st 38 32.00
Saturday August 1st 45 35.00
Sunday August 2nd 53 40.86
Monday August 3rd 46 45.86
Tuesday August 4th 45 46.57
Wednesday August 5th 50 51.71
Thursday August 6th 69 49.43
Friday August 7th 98 58.00
Saturday August 8th 174 76.43
Sunday August 9th 68 78.57
Monday August 10th 57 80.14
Tuesday August 11th 35 78.71
Wednesday August 12th 40 77.29
Thursday August 13th 92 80.57
Friday August 14th 67 76.14
Saturday August 15th 200 79.86
Sunday August 16th 66 79.57

Isn't this a good thing? I mean I'd prefer lower daily numbers but things seem to have stabilised, albeit at a higher level.

Ohmeha

Also adding the below weekly average case numbers since Monday May 4th and average case numbers per day of the week since June 8th beginning of Phase 2

Phase Week Average
Mon May 4th to Sun May 10th 212.86
Mon May 11th to Sun May 17th 159.43
1 Mon May 18th to Sun May 24th 75.29
1 Mon May 25th to Sun May 31st 54.14
1 Mon June 1st to Sun June 7th 35.57
2 Mon June 8th to Sun June 14th 16.00
2 Mon June 15th to Sun June 21st 13.86
2 Mon June 22nd to Sun June 28th 9.57
3 Mon June 29th to Sun July 5th 13.43
3 Mon July 6th to Sun July 12th 18.14
3 Mon July 13th to Sun July 19th 20.43
3 Mon July 20th to Sun July 26th 17.43
3 Mon July 27th to Sun Aug 2nd 40.86
3 Mon Aug 3rd to Sun Aug 9th 78.57
3 Mon Aug 10th to Sun Aug 16th 79.57



Day (10 Weeks since June 8th) Average
Monday 19.00
Tuesday 25.60
Wednesday 18.40
Thursday 34.70
Friday 32.80
Saturday 58.90
Sunday 26.10

political analyst

peasant wrote: »

They're also very unlikely to even know that they are infected.

Isn't that great?





And in the meantime the have the potential to infect anyone they get that little bit too close to ..including their elderly relatives, their colleagues / customers with underlying conditions, etc.


It's so tiring that months into this thing this simple fact still has to be explained over and over and over again:mad:

Social distancing solves that problem.

caveat emptor

eagle eye wrote: »

Our government are amazing. Clearly they are of the opinion that we are all stupid. Just keeping the head down saying nothing about any changes in the spread of covid-19 and our schools reopening is still full steam ahead. Released stuff on Friday evening about it so they didn't have to face questions about it and give people the whole weekend to think about the questions asked.
We badly need new younger politicians in a new party to get rid of this deadwood.

Reading a good book at the moment and there was a good quote in it.
Book is michael t. osterholm, Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs.
Written before current situation but updated preface.
There's an audio book too.
Highly recommend it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Deadliest-Enemy-Against-Killer-Germs/dp/0316343757

giveitholly

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Not that it matters I am just curious but are the workers foreign?

Yeah I reckon so,The Irish won't do that sort of work anymore

Blondini

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1294871147104940033?s=20

I used to be a teacher and from discussions with my former colleagues you can expect exactly the same thing here unless the unions start to negotiate for blended learning.

Absolutely. You better fcucking believe it!

Blondini

political analyst wrote: »

Social distancing solves that problem.

Tell you what, you go and socially distance a load of youngsters and report back with your findings.

Loafing Oaf

political analyst wrote: »

Social distancing solves that problem.

For a child living in the same house as a grandparent?

Widdensushi

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is monopoly money and we will pay it back over centuries like every other country. I wouldn't be too concerned personally.

Thinly veiled I am a pensioner and don't care what happens future generations as long as I don't have to pay

Non solum non ambulabit

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Some interesting new data.

https://twitter.com/jamestodaromd/status/1295051307582140417?s=21

This is the kind of data that interests me and explains why a lot of people are assympthomatic. How many of us were assympthomatic back in march but obviously never tested.

ACitizenErased

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

This is the kind of data that interests me and explains why a lot of people are assympthomatic. How many of us were assympthomatic back in march but obviously never tested.

It's awful we will never ever find out the true case toll. Probably 10 times higher if the IFR of 0.6% is to be believed.

caveat emptor

Widdensushi wrote: »

Thinly veiled I am a pensioner and don't care what happens future generations as long as I don't have to pay

Could say the same about the pensioner who bought a house for 10K for house in 80s and didn’t care about inflation. Now house worth 500K and young people can’t afford a house.

“Nothing we can do sorry”

MickeyLeari

caveat emptor wrote: »

Could say the same about the pensioner who bought a house for 10K for house in 80s and didn’t care about inflation. Now house worth 500K and young people can’t afford a house.

“Nothing we can do sorry”

The same pensioner who paid 60% tax and faced 17% interest rate on mortgages?

Every generation faces challenges.

caveat emptor

Don't know what's going on the site.

We are constantly being divided.

Pensioner vs Young person.
Rural vs Urban
Cork vs everyone

It's just an attempt to so discontent to distract from the real issues.

Of course pensioners had it tougher.
Young people have a candy floss illusion that everything is awesome
but a large percentage will never be able to own a home.

Sorry for biting, I'm neither generation.

drunkmonkey

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's awful we will never ever find out the true case toll. Probably 10 times higher if the IFR of 0.6% is to be believed.

The Antibodies test says 6% of the UK population have had it out the 100,000 volunteers. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/largest-home-antibody-testing-programme-for-covid-19-publishes-findings

Wondering do we lose the antibodies after a while, would they have got the same results 3mts earlier?.

caveat emptor

MickeyLeari wrote: »

The same pensioner who paid 60% tax and faced 17% interest rate on mortgages?

Every generation faces challenges.

The fact is a 10K loan for a house bought in 1980 doesn't look like very much in todays Monopoly money.
So any loans taken today at negative interest rates will not look like very much in 30 years time.

It's besides the public health debate. EU is introducing massive stimulus whether we avail of it or not.

Patd6

Are people expecting a big announcement tomorrow from Michael Martin? Comments today by nphet and Mr Glynn hinting at things changing

owlbethere

That pub in Dublin named Berlin, looks like a dirty dump

ACitizenErased

Patd6 wrote: »

Are people expecting a big announcement tomorrow from Michael Martin? Comments today by nphet and Mr Glynn hinting at things changing

Glynn is referring to the dame lane situation, that's all PR stuff.

Patd6

Are people expecting a big announcement tomorrow from Michael Martin? Comments today by nphet and Mr Glynn hinting at things changing

Atlantic Dawn

Patd6 wrote: »

Are people expecting a big announcement tomorrow from Michael Martin? Comments today by nphet and Mr Glynn hinting at things changing

Closing the restaurants/food pubs is the strongest card they have to play but actual facts and evidence would say it's the wrong target and the meat factories should be shut down.

harr

Angry tonight with talk about further restrictions all down to some current rules not being implemented we are suffering because of lock down especially here in kildare because various rules not being policed.
Meat factory issues highlighted months ago , direct provision centres also flagged . Dame lane issue a few weeks back and again yesterday .. this current spike could have been prevented if inspections had of happened..
The government have no one else to blame only themselves over the current spike in cases, and they have a nerve to try make people who are adhering to The rules Suffer further.

giveitholly

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Closing the restaurants/food pubs is the strongest card they have to play but actual facts and evidence would say it's the wrong target and the meat factories should be shut down.

I have been in 3 restaurants/food pubs the last week and I have never felt safer,tables well spread out,staff wearing masks and all table service,no mingling of people,if the government decide to close these considering the clusterfook in meat factories then it's safe to say the government haven't a clue what they are doing

lukas8888

owlbethere wrote: »

That pub in Dublin named Berlin, looks like a dirty dump

Poor old pubs being blamed again,the establishment in question does not have a pub license.

flutered

LuasSimon wrote: »

Of course they are and all working for minimum wage like the meat factory’s ..... people who speak English and might ask for a toilet break are not welcome in the slave houses of Ireland

i believe they are romanian

What Username Guidelines

An eye opening thread of what informed the lockdown in UK and many other countries. Imperial calculated the IFR using jaw-droppingly small sample sizes...

https://twitter.com/grahamneary/status/1294645063985836032?s=21

caveat emptor

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

An eye opening thread of what informed the lockdown in UK and many other countries. Imperial calculated the IFR using jaw-droppingly small sample sizes...

https://twitter.com/grahamneary/status/1294645063985836032?s=21

Is this the same virus that nearly killed Boris?
Now it's Neil Fergusson's model's fault that it's not a killer virus.

They only decided to lockdown after they all got sick. I'd say their firsthand experience was more influential.

Speak Now

spookwoman wrote: »

Community Transmission since 31/7/2020
31/7 19
01/8 12
02/8 4 (Sunday)
03/8 5
04/8 4
05/8 4
06/8 2
07/8 4
08/8 5 (Sunday)
09/8 2
10/8 8
11/8 5
12/8 13
13/8 12
14/8 16
15/8 25
16/8 3 (Sunday)

I knew this week felt long, thanks for confirming :P

hmmm

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

An eye opening thread of what informed the lockdown in UK and many other countries. Imperial calculated the IFR using jaw-droppingly small sample sizes...

I'll save anyone else the effort of reading that, don't. Written by a "stock market investor and commentator".

Funnily enough it says that the UK modelers estimated the IFR was 0.66%, which has turned out to be quite accurate.

What Username Guidelines

hmmm wrote: »

I'll save anyone else the effort of reading that, don't. Written by a "stock market investor and commentator".

Funnily enough it says that the UK modelers estimated the IFR was 0.66%, which has turned out to be quite accurate.

Thanks. Seemed crazy to me given the highlighted sources but now you’ve pointed it out it’s interesting that it worked.

gifted

Patd6 wrote: »

Are people expecting a big announcement tomorrow from Michael Martin? Comments today by nphet and Mr Glynn hinting at things changing

They'll have to flex some muscle...lots of people just shrugging their shoulders at them now and don't care anymore

fritzelly

hmmm wrote: »

I'll save anyone else the effort of reading that, don't. Written by a "stock market investor and commentator".

Funnily enough it says that the UK modelers estimated the IFR was 0.66%, which has turned out to be quite accurate.

We have people complaining about boardsies becoming epidemiologists and virologists but these stock market guys take the biscuit

Marty Bird

shinzon wrote: »

jesus more bad news

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0816/1159506-coronavirus-experts-this-week/?fbclid=IwAR0UggE7QnmUggF71Xgrg24vJH6N7KMCc-UODVoOWR1yi85MltiDuld0RQI




Shin

Sure any disease or virus that has been discovered throughout human history is still with us today in some shape or form.

Marty.

ACitizenErased

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Thanks. Seemed crazy to me given the highlighted sources but now you’ve pointed it out it’s interesting that it worked.

I don't think his point is RE the IFR, rather they thought that the entirety of the UK was susceptible, by using the 6 flights to judge how many people had the disease. (vastly underestimating how many were infected)

remember that it all comes back to the belief that finding six people with Covid on six flights was a good way to estimate how many people had the disease.