Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Strumms

Marty Bird wrote: »

Sure any disease or virus that has been discovered throughout human history is still with us today in some shape or form.

Marty.

According to the WHO there have only been one virus is the history of humanity that has been eradicated.... Smallpox..the other virus only effects animals.

Polio is on the way to being eradicated ...

DevilsHaircut

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I take it you have no economic knowledge with comments like that.

That 750bn isnt coming out of thin air FYI. Ireland will be paying for more of it then it will actually receive.

Paying the interest.

Do you think we'd stand a better chance outside the EU, rather than shouldering a proportionate part of the debt depending on need?

coastwatch

fly_agaric wrote: »

Does Ireland have the numbers of inspectors & any systems in place to do that for workplaces all over the country? It is an honest question. I don't know but have my doubts that we do (given 'light touch' regulation of employers that seems to be favoured here and has popped up again as a problem now).

I'm sure the number of inspectors and systems are not currently there, so they need to move very fast and re-deploy internally, and fast-track inspector training, because now we know these are the work places where outbreaks happen, resulting in county lockdowns / restrictions.

CalamariFritti

The way I see it we need to find a way out of this or its all going to turn ugly quite soon. Don't think we have to the end of the year even.

We seriously overreacted at the start driven by genuine concern and that was understandable, but then it turned into non stop hysteria and the longer this goes on and the more it turns out to be - well the overreaction that it is - and the clearer it becomes that we are hell bent of not ever snapping out of it the more people will just turn and say fk this.

We can now either try to find some pragmatism and real solutions or turn the whole place into a police state with some serious rifts in society. We're coming closer to the end of the road one way or the other.

Bubbaclaus

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Paying the interest.

Do you think we'd stand a better chance outside the EU, rather than shouldering a proportionate part of the debt depending on need?

Big tangent with your question, but I'll answer anyway - absolutely not. Ireland benefits greatly from being in the EU.

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CalamariFritti wrote: »

The way I see it we need to find a way out of this or its all going to turn ugly quite soon. Don't think we have to the end of the year even.

We seriously overreacted at the start driven by genuine concern and that was understandable, but then it turned into non stop hysteria and the longer this goes on and the more it turns out to be - well the overreaction that it is - and the clearer it becomes that we are hell bent of not ever snapping out of it the more people will just turn and say fk this.

We can now either try to find some pragmatism and real solutions or turn the whole place into a police state with some serious rifts in society. We're coming closer to the end of the road one way or the other.

I think you're right and I can't see how they'll contain the population at Christmas time.

political analyst

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The Irish are extremely compliant, and the reaction to a group of young people having a party has shown this... May Be part begrudgery as the Irish are known for...the reaction to seeing what people have been doing in Bars for decades has been to paint these young people as criminals, miscreants and traitors to the national cause....

The fact is the scenario we saw on social media today is going on in 1000's of houses all over the country... Companies selling beer kegs and taps can't keep them in stock, supermarkets sell a can of beer cheaper than a litre of milk..
There's more cocaine being snorted up noses at these parties and it's all cheap and easily available too as dealers try make cash by selling cheap and destroying the competition...literally.

I don't think law-abiding publicans who never served substantial meals on their premises are the people who are at risk of being destroyed by drug-dealers, to be honest!

DevilsHaircut

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Big tangent with your question, but I'll answer anyway - absolutely not. Ireland benefits greatly from being in the EU.

You complained that 'Ireland will be paying for more of it then [sic] it will actually receive'.

Which doesn't actually matter, unless you think we could do better on our own.

nthclare

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Those who have money are actually paying central banks to take it, and are giving it to governments for 0 interest.

Every single country in the world (bar China probably) will have a higher national debt after this.

Seriously, there's a lot of hysteria and fear-mongering among the economist types on here :cool:

Will they have to hit the reset button, because there's people gone from Park avenue to park bench at a stroke of a pen.
And there's no going back for a long long time.

No way can people afford their loans and mortgages for at least 3 year's from this.
And that's if there's a reliable vaccine.

It's like the perfect economic storm.

Even Dishy Dave, and his peroxide Dollybird 27 yrs old Daver who's 48 next week in house no 6 with the BMW X5 is on the 350 and has to pay exe wife Jessica 250 a week maintenance via his bank account via court order...
And the Dollybird is already eying up Frank who's a retired professor down the boreen off the Kilfenora road...

It's epic entertainment...

drunkmonkey

coastwatch wrote: »

I'm sure the number of inspectors and systems are not currently there, so they need to move very fast and re-deploy internally, and fast-track inspector training, because now we know these are the work places where outbreaks happen, resulting in county lockdowns / restrictions.

We knew months ago, we know most of them are asymptomatic, I'd question the timing about getting giddy about it again, it backs up the argument for more restrictions but some of the data we won't fully know for a few weeks seems to point we're now in a casedemic situation. https://www.thejournal.ie/meat-processing-beef-plants-michael-creed-coronavirus-covid-5089128-May2020/

I've heard of another meat factory this evening with 450 employees about to go down but it could be just a rumour, we'll know in a day or two, have a relative working there so will be able to fact check it tomorrow.

Bubbaclaus

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

You complained that 'Ireland will be paying for more of it then [sic] it will actually receive'.

Which doesn't actually matter, unless you think we could do better on our own.

I was responding to your ridiculous post that said money doesnt really exist and implying the EU were wishing up 750bn out of thin air.

coastwatch

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We knew months ago, we know most of them are asymptomatic, I'd question the timing about getting giddy about it again, it backs up the argument for more restrictions but some of the data we won't fully know for a few weeks seems to point we're now in a casedemic situation. https://www.thejournal.ie/meat-processing-beef-plants-michael-creed-coronavirus-covid-5089128-May2020/

I've heard of another meat factory this evening with 450 employees about to go down but it could be just a rumour, we'll know in a day or two, have a relative working there so will be able to fact check it tomorrow.

The focus from the initial outbreaks in May was the working environment, PPE, hygiene.
It appears the risks associated from living conditions and employment contracts were not understood. The Covid Enhanced Illness Benefit (€350 pw) is of no use if you dont qualify for it, or you have to spend €70 to get a sickness cert from a GP (if you have a GP).

Non solum non ambulabit

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Just because it can be financed at a 0% rate doesnt mean it does not have to be repaid at some point, or else refinanced in the future at a positive interest rate. The amount of people that got misled by that headline is atrocious.

Did you ever hear of a little thing called inflation? It is the fundamental building block of the monetary system. If you can borrow at 0% in an inflationary economy you make money. Pumping money into a economy in a depression will grow the economy and increase inflation based on the multiplier effect. Taking money out with austerity will just prolong the depression. Now is the best time ever to invest in huge projects that generates demand for capital and labour and stimulates the local economy.

Renjit

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Did you ever hear of a little thing called inflation? It is the fundamental building block of the monetary system. If you can borrow at 0% in an inflationary economy you make money. Pumping money into a economy in a depression will grow the economy and increase inflation based on the multiplier effect. Taking money out with austerity will just prolong the depression. Now is the best time ever to invest in huge project that generate work and stimulates the local economy.

You also need to get the cashflow going in present.

Strumms

nthclare wrote: »

Will they have to hit the reset button, because there's people gone from Park avenue to park bench at a stroke of a pen.
And there's no going back for a long long time.

No way can people afford their loans and mortgages for at least 3 year's from this.
And that's if there's a reliable vaccine.

It's like the perfect economic storm.

..

Rather be going from Park Avenue to park bench then from park avenue to a spot in a morgue

caveat emptor

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Unless interest rates stay at near 0 forever, at some point that rolling over is going to be at an interest rate that will have a severe effect on the exchequer.

Love how we are all so concerned about the national debt.
Pity we didn't give a **** 2006-2008.

Here's some bedtime reading of why Economically speaking it's not so bad in terms of national debt but Pandemically speaking our strategy of trying to pretend it'll be grand is not a good one.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ireland-a-big-winner-from-25trn-ecb-bond-buying-scheme-37980588.html

Ireland a big winner from €2.5trn ECB bond-buying scheme

The massive bond-buying programme undertaken by the European Central bank helped reduce our borrowing costs and allowed the State to issue more bonds at lower interest rates, according to a study by Central Bank of Ireland staff.

In just over four years to the end of 2018, the ECB's Asset Purchase Programme bought over €2.5trn worth of securities, including more than €30bn of Irish government bonds.

Purchasing bonds on this enormous scale - quantitative easing - has been put in place by central banks across the world.

Their bond purchases cut supply on the secondary market, pushing up prices and reducing the yield.

The aim of the programme is to lift inflation, something that hasn't happened in the eurozone which looks like entering the next recession with interest rates nailed at zero.

Those low rates have been a boon for the National Treasury Management Agency which, for example, issued all Treasury Bills and ECP at negative euro-equivalent interest rates in 2017.

The three central bank researchers - John Larkin, PJ Anderson and Sean Furlong - said that since the beginning of 2015, the 'generic' 10-year yield has traded between a high of 1.78pc, reached in June 2015 and low of 0.33pc, reached in September 2016.

State interest payments have fallen steadily in tandem with the ECB programme. As a so-called peripheral state, Ireland benefited more than a core country like Germany from the purchases.

Non solum non ambulabit

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Well the money is mainly owed to pension funds etc, so everyone’s retirement savings would be wiped out.

Most people don't have a pension fund. The average man has a stock based savings scheme with tax relief.

Non solum non ambulabit

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So we're in meltdown mode cos some kids had a few drinks and danced and someone filmed it? Or was there 500 cases today that I missed? No seriously what's going?

There are hundreds of house parties every weekend with that happening.

Bubbaclaus

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Did you ever hear of a little thing called inflation? It is the fundamental building block of the monetary system. If you can borrow at 0% in an inflationary economy you make money. Pumping money into a economy in a depression will grow the economy and increase inflation based on the multiplier effect. Taking money out with austerity will just prolong the depression. Now is the best time ever to invest in huge projects that generates demand for capital and labour and stimulates the local economy.

Thanks for explaining basic economics to me. Maybe you should explain it to the other guy instead though.

Non solum non ambulabit

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I take it you have no economic knowledge with comments like that.

That 750bn isnt coming out of thin air FYI. Ireland will be paying for more of it then it will actually receive.

It actually does come out of thin air. It doesn't exist its ECB money.

All money comes out of thin air. Over 90% of money is created by a bank manager giving a loan from money the bank doesn't actually have.

Once the loan is paid back the money disappears again.

Non solum non ambulabit

Renjit wrote: »

You also need to get the cashflow going in present.

Exactly by the multiplier affect. Pump money in to the economy and it will circulate multiple times. Generating cash flow.

nocoverart

Haven’t really allowed myself to worry about this Virus lately because I have a lot of other worries going on with Family, so the auld nugget can only compute so much... but death rate seems bizarrely low considering numbers. I know about lag, and wait a week and wait two weeks and all that sh1te! but any genuine consideration that this thing is actually weakening? or is it just “ah sure it’s only the youngsters that are catching it” because of not adhering to regulations.

caveat emptor

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

It actually does come out of thin air. It doesn't exist its ECB money.

All money comes out of thin air. Over 90% of money is created by a bank manager giving a loan from money the bank doesn't actually have.

Thank you for explaining. A lot of stuff has changed and messed with people's understanding of money.

https://twitter.com/ParrillaDiego/status/1294915761794961408?s=20

nthclare

Strumms wrote: »

Rather be going from Park Avenue to park bench then from park avenue to a spot in a morgue

Sorry to hear you're that fearful, just do constant risk assessments.
There's a lot of information out there on how to mind yourself etc

Wishing you luck

AdamD

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So its really that then? Jesus guys. I can guarantee you that for every such session that ends up getting filmed there are 500 that aren't.

Serious overreaction once again.

Yeah I genuinely think some people don't realise that this is going on in thousands of houses around the country every weekend. Its naive to expect young people to go 5+ months without socialising. Sure you can be appalled and shame them for it, but it'll still happen.

People will call it selfish behavior, and maybe it is, but its human nature and it'll continue.

caveat emptor

AdamD wrote: »

Yeah I genuinely think some people don't realise that this is going on in thousands of houses around the country every weekend. Its naive to expect young people to go 5+ months without socialising. Sure you can be appalled and shame them for it, but it'll still happen.

People will call it selfish behavior, and maybe it is, but its human nature and it'll continue.

I don't agree with this. Young people are part of civil society and have responsibilities like the rest of us. A lot of whom take this seriously.

Think of all the health care workers who fell ill and who may fall ill again this winter. Or Kids who won't be able to attend school safely. Height of selfishness, Saying human nature is a cop out. It's human nature to sh!t, it doesn't mean you are allowed to do it on the street. Fine the sh!t out of them and it'll act as a deterrent.

https://twitter.com/Eastcorkclinsoc/status/1294724407978610690?s=20

AdamD

caveat emptor wrote: »

I don't agree with this. Young people are part of civil society and have responsibilities like the rest of us. A lot of whom take this seriously.

Think of all the health care workers who fell ill and who may fall ill again this winter. Or Kids who won't be able to attend school safely. Height of selfishness, Saying human nature is a cop out. It's human nature to sh!t, it doesn't mean you are allowed to do it on the street. Fine the sh!t out of them and it'll act as a deterrent.

That all sounds fantastic but how do you actually do that? Are you going to fine me for having a 10 person houseparty that you have no idea is happening? Sure you'll stop the Berlin bars etc. but everything else is behind closed doors so thinking you can stop it with fines is just naive.

drunkmonkey

caveat emptor wrote: »

Think of all the health care workers who fell ill and who may fall ill again this winter.

It's worth remembering what Harris said last year to health staff encouraging them to get the flu vaccine as we have piss poor take up of it in the health care system which costs lives.

"By receiving the flu vaccine, you protect the vulnerable people in your care as well as yourself.”

Now where have I heard that line before....

Strumms

nthclare wrote: »

Sorry to hear you're that fearful, just do constant risk assessments.
There's a lot of information out there on how to mind yourself etc

Wishing you luck

Not fearful at all, I’m doing very well.

But thanks

Good article in Irish Times this evening re: McConkey and zero covid policy. Government have to change policy in my opinion also. Zero covid policy in Ireland with diplomacy for Northern ireland/UK to follow suit in due course. All this blaming of sections of society when government policy especially in last two months has been incorrect given we are one of the few islands in Europe. We need to exploit our island geography. Northern Ireland has followed our policys up to now. They will follow us again if it is coherent. Our weak link has been loose border controls. We were probably down to a few hundred cases in the country in June, but with new imports each week with no proper quarantine it is inevitable with restrictions relaxed that we are increasing. Zero covid policy means we could fully reopen society and treat exclusively non covid patients for the next 12/18 months. Economically and healthwise most optimum outcome. All countries are waiting for vaccine. This is best solution rather than locking and unlocking society every few months and all the anger, disruption and costs of many lockdowns.

Renjit

AdamD wrote: »

That all sounds fantastic but how do you actually do that? Are you going to fine me for having a 10 person houseparty that you have no idea is happening? Sure you'll stop the Berlin bars etc. but everything else is behind closed doors so thinking you can stop it with fines is just naive.

As a first step businesses not adhering to guidelines should be fined (in some cases license revoked) so that compliance is met and other business follow through the guidelines.

As for houseparties, those are still going on. And if push comes to shove, county lockdown will take in effect. I am sure no one will like that.

You cannot just brush everything under the rug conveniently saying that some segment can just shirk the responsibility when the whole situation demands collective responsibility to begin with.

caveat emptor

AdamD wrote: »

That all sounds fantastic but how do you actually do that? Are you going to fine me for having a 10 person houseparty that you have no idea is happening? Sure you'll stop the Berlin bars etc. but everything else is behind closed doors so thinking you can stop it with fines is just naive.

So the argument is that people can't be trusted to act responsibly in "house parties"
Why do you have such little faith in humanity? Most people do the decent thing. For others there are deterrents. If people carry on with that craic maybe they won't be able to afford to go to a house party soon. This thing has the potential to role on years, economy will be depressed as long as the virus poses danger. You can't say let's all go to the pub it'll be grand. A large section won't not matter how much we wish it.
We really are in it together so we should all encourage each other to do better rather than saying

• "welfare cheats"
• "ethnic minority"
• "old people"
• "young people"
• "country people"
• "city people"
• "middle age white men"
• "karens"
• "BAME"
• "teenagers"
• "rural pubs"
• "city pubs"

ad nauseam.

nthclare

Strumms wrote: »

Not fearful at all, I’m doing very well.

But thanks

You're more than welcome Strumms.

Glad you're doing well,I'm strumming off to sleep now..
Have an early morning 🌞

Good night and sweet dreams

Arghus

CalamariFritti wrote: »

The way I see it we need to find a way out of this or its all going to turn ugly quite soon. Don't think we have to the end of the year even.

We seriously overreacted at the start driven by genuine concern and that was understandable, but then it turned into non stop hysteria and the longer this goes on and the more it turns out to be - well the overreaction that it is - and the clearer it becomes that we are hell bent of not ever snapping out of it the more people will just turn and say fk this.

We can now either try to find some pragmatism and real solutions or turn the whole place into a police state with some serious rifts in society. We're coming closer to the end of the road one way or the other.

Sticking to the guidelines and people taking personal responsibility is the only way this is going to work.

I don't really know what you're advocating here to be honest. "Pragmatism and real solutions" reads to me like code for let's crack on and get back to normal life ASAP. Unfortunately getting back to unfettered normal life only has one outcome: more cases, more potential serious illness and death and eventually more restrictions. I'm all for finding a way out but I'm telling you that is definitely not going to be the way. Covid is still a deadly and infectious disease, right now it's infecting young people, but give it time and give it opportunity it will infect others that are not bulletproof. And a lot of people are not bulletproof.

People need to dispense with the fantasy that normal life is coming back anytime soon and that pretending things are grand is going to make things grand. Things are different now and they will stay different. That is crap for everybody, but it's the truth.

We need to accept that the virus is here to stay for the foreseeable, the best we can do is try to find a way to muddle through and keep a lid on it, hopefully until someone somewhere comes up with a plan B. It can't be wished away because we're tired of living with it.

And that plan B could be a vaccine, better knowledge about what we are dealing with here, better treatment or all of the above. But nothing is guaranteed and there's no set time limit on anything. People are fatigued and they want deadlines, set destination points. But this is another thing people need to forget about. The uncertainty and the unknown will continue until it doesn't. And that's understandably a hard thing for people to get their heads around, but unfortunately, that is what we are dealing with here. There isn't a single leader, commentator or scientist in the entire world right now that can legitimately say they know where we'll all be at in 6 months. We're hardwired to expect things - promises, guarantees - that are actually impossible in this context.

I think letting her rip and just fantasising that normal life will roar back without skipping a beat is pie in the sky stuff - a delusion - and, on the other extreme, I wouldn't like to live in a police state. So I really think what we're being asked to do at the moment in terms of following guidelines, social distancing, being sensible and not irresponsible, wearing masks, washing hands is actually the best of all our shyte options right now and the most sustainable and least disastrous in the short to medium term, even if that seems hard to believe. It's all shyte, it sucks. But it's better than the alternatives and if people stuck to it and actually followed it we'd all have a easier time of it overall.

smellyoldboot

AdamD wrote: »

That all sounds fantastic but how do you actually do that? Are you going to fine me for having a 10 person houseparty that you have no idea is happening? Sure you'll stop the Berlin bars etc. but everything else is behind closed doors so thinking you can stop it with fines is just naive.

Actually real legislation and consequences for pricks treating their home/rental accommodation like session dens and imposing torture on those around them is long overdue and I wouldnt be surprised if CoVid is the kick up the arse needed to get it in place. It'll be called temporary but good luck removing it from the statute books if it does come to pass.

ErnieG

When the rate of borrowing is 0%, the rate of borrowing a euro and handing it to someone else is 100%. Which is very expensive.

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good article in Irish Times this evening re: McConkey and zero covid policy. Government have to change policy in my opinion also. Zero covid policy in Ireland with diplomacy for Northern ireland/UK to follow suit in due course. All this blaming of sections of society when government policy especially in last two months has been incorrect given we are one of the few islands in Europe. We need to exploit our island geography. Northern Ireland has followed our policys up to now. They will follow us again if it is coherent. Our weak link has been loose border controls. We were probably down to a few hundred cases in the country in June, but with new imports each week with no proper quarantine it is inevitable with restrictions relaxed that we are increasing. Zero covid policy means we could fully reopen society and treat exclusively non covid patients for the next 12/18 months. Economically and healthwise most optimum outcome. All countries are waiting for vaccine. This is best solution rather than locking and unlocking society every few months and all the anger, disruption and costs of many lockdowns.

How did zero Covid work out for NZ and they have the luxury of a single island government thousands of KMs from their nearest neighbours?

expectationlost

caveat emptor wrote: »

I don't agree with this. Young people are part of civil society and have responsibilities like the rest of us. A lot of whom take this seriously.

Think of all the health care workers who fell ill and who may fall ill again this winter. Or Kids who won't be able to attend school safely. Height of selfishness, Saying human nature is a cop out. It's human nature to sh!t, it doesn't mean you are allowed to do it on the street. Fine the sh!t out of them and it'll act as a deterrent.

https://twitter.com/Eastcorkclinsoc/status/1294724407978610690?s=20

don't know why these tweets don't include and then I called the cops or other authorities

expectationlost

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How did zero Covid work out for NZ and they have the luxury of a single island government thousands of KMs from their nearest neighbours?

think its working pretty well for them despite the outbreak

Deeper Blue

People still think the zero covid approach is possible? Seriously?

Is any government policy throughout the world on covid perfect? - No. If ireland now followed zero covid policy would we have an Auckland/Melbourne type outbreak in the future? - Probably. Is it the best policy for us now economically/healthwise/socially? Yes. We were always going to be hit with a more difficult first wave than New Zealand, due to being in Western Europe etc. Hence our 1744 deaths as apposed to New Zealands 22. That does not mean we cannot follow zero covid policy now. What is the alternative to zero covid policy? Lock and unlock society for 18 months. Demonising certain business sectors/counties/demographics for outbreaks. Non covid patients not getting the care they might have got in health care system that was covid free. Population having to live with significant social restrictions for several years. I think government will introduce this policy. Its a question of when.

Plumbthedepths

El Sueño wrote: »

People still think the zero covid approach is possible? Seriously?

It's not, but it's distrubing that those advocating this position seem to be getting a lot of air time without a countering position being given equal consideration.

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is any government policy throughout the world on covid petfect? - No. If ireland now followed zero covid policy would we have an Auckland/Melbourne type outbreak in the future? - Probably. Is it the best policy for us now economically/healthwise/socially? Yes. We were always going to be hit with a more difficult first wave than New Zealand, due to being in Western Europe etc. Hence our 1744 deaths as apposed to New Zealands 22. That does not mean we cannot follow zero covid policy now. What is the alternative to zero covid policy? Lock and unlock society for 18 months. Demonising certain business sectors/counties/demographics for outbreaks. Non covid patients not getting the care they might have got in health care system that was covid free. Population having to live with significant social restrictions for several years. I think government will introduce this policy. Its a question of when.

Zero Covid policy on an island with two different governments is BS. Btw the nursing home deaths are a consequence of policy. We had advance warning from Italy's experience. Even in March Holohan was telling the nursing homes not to act unilaterally by banning visitors. I have a serious issue when people try to rewrite history.

MickeyLeari

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's not, but it's distrubing that those advocating this position seem to be getting a lot of air time without a countering position being given equal consideration.

It is a distraction.

Listened to RTÉ today where Michael McNamara was being shouted down despite knowing more than any of the panellists.

He is right. We have lost our senses.

redarmy

Breaking #COVID19 outbreak in #Howth Co,Dublin after wedding.Some guests travelled from the UK for the gathering.Some of the guests are now receiving treatment in Dublin and London hospitals.

Plumbthedepths

MickeyLeari wrote: »

He is right. We have lost our senses.

'We' implies everyone, it doesn't it refers only to the most vocal.
Old expression, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

road_high

Really have to wonder how these curtain twitchers functioned in life before the days of government telling them how to live;
https://twitter.com/joancooke5/status/1295117070259179521?s=21

Nothing had changed. The recommendations all remain the same. Why on earthy would someone who’s clearly bought into it all 110% need yet another government press conference on top of the dozens they’ve held already? I’d recommend Prozac

Wolf359f

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Zero Covid policy on an island with two different governments is BS. Btw the nursing home deaths are a consequence of policy. We had advance warning from Italy's experience. Even in March Holohan was telling the nursing homes not to act unilaterally by banning visitors. I have a serious issue when people try to rewrite history.

Zero covid is just a sound bite to spew. Like houses, healthcare, jobs for everyone. It sounds great, but ask for details and you get some dodgy figures. In the case of zero covid is always comes back to the UK following. So it's not entirely in our hands. That's not to mention forced quarantine of Irish citizens. If it all went ahead and people realise what it entails, there wouldn't be 100% compliance. Zero covid would require 100% compliance, 100% of the time.

In regard to the nursing homes, it's been shown locking them down weeks earlier would have have zero impact on reducing deaths. The issue wasn't with visitors, it was with lack of care/PPE/education for all staff in nursing homes and the rampant community spread. The community spread rests solely on the community.
It's nice to point the blame on certain groups, people, government, but we are all in this together.

Plumbthedepths

redarmy wrote: »

Breaking #COVID19 outbreak in #Howth Co,Dublin after wedding.Some guests travelled from the UK for the gathering.Some of the guests are now receiving treatment in Dublin and London hospitals.

Any links?

AlmightyCushion

redarmy wrote: »

Breaking #COVID19 outbreak in #Howth Co,Dublin after wedding.Some guests travelled from the UK for the gathering.Some of the guests are now receiving treatment in Dublin and London hospitals.

Do you have a source for that?