Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

owlbethere

MD1990 wrote: »

schools will be key.

Once they open we will have to see how much cases go up.

We could probably cope with 200 cases a day but if schools cause it to go 400+ we will be in trouble.

We won't be able to cope with approximately 200 cases a day. Community transmissions will rise higher with 200 cases a day. Also we have to be mindful of the long haul covid and healthcare workers were hit hard by covid originally so a lot of staff and nurses may not be available for work and care in hospitals. I know many people will argue cases are rising and the hospitals are doing OK now so there won't be any need for covid care in hospitals. That won't be the case when schools go back and if we see 200 cases a day. Cases will sink in deeper into communities and more older people will probably get the covid too like grandparents.

drunkmonkey

seanb85 wrote: »

Obviously not yet, but you need to act ahead of time, all the important aspects are trending slowly upwards, there is a much greater level of disease (and therefore transmission) occurring than a few weeks ago. As clusters are dealt with new ones will inevitably pop up, this will strain everything (testing, tracing, hospitals, ICU).

Not necessarily, were catching the fringe cases that would have never been found without massive testing. Hospital cases don't seem to rising majorly yet. Couple of weeks before we know if the casedemic theroy is correct but it's pointing that way.

stephenjmcd

The Unbearables wrote: »

Wow. Think we can forget about the schools reopening tbh. We need our lazy inept government to get back from their holidays now.

Eh the cabinet which makes decisions continues to work. Cabinet meetings can be called at any time. As we saw with the Kildare, Offally and Laois decision.

The Dáil doesn't sit but that doesn't mean government stops working.

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

Based on what we are seeing, I think we could manage as long as we keep it below 5k per week. At that level, we would likely have < 15 deaths per week once the care homes and vulnerable are protected.

If we're reaching 5k cases a week, it would never stay at 5k a week.

The Unbearables

MD1990 wrote: »

schools will be key.

Once they open we will have to see how much cases go up.

We could probably cope with 200 cases a day but if schools cause it to go 400+ we will be in trouble.

We are in trouble right now and it's not even Autumn officially.

I expected these kind of increases when schools returned but for them to be happening prior to that is not good.

The Unbearables

The Unbearables wrote: »

Wow. Think we can forget about the schools reopening tbh. We need our lazy inept government to get back from their holidays now.

Dail =/= Government

seanb85

Deleted User wrote: »

Based on what we are seeing, I think we could manage as long as we keep it below 5k per week. At that level, we would likely have < 15 deaths per week once the care homes and vulnerable are protected.

If it gets to 5k a week there is no way of maintaining it at that level even in an only partially open society. You wouldn't be able to keep it away from the "vulnerable", we are all too closely connected. That is not how infectious disease works when there is no resistance to the virus.

ACitizenErased

The Unbearables wrote: »

We are in trouble right now and it's not even Autumn officially.

I expected these kind of increases when schools returned but for them to be happening prior to that is not good.

You know that only two counties have had greater than 10 cases per day over the past two days?

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GooglePlus wrote: »

If we're reaching 5k cases a week, it would never stay at 5k a week.

What i am saying is our measures need to keep it under 5k per week. If we couldn't keep it under 5k per week and vast majority of cases are not within specific regions, the return to phase 1/2 is inevitable. Lockdown will not happen nationwide though

stephenjmcd

Good clarification from Gardai on what powers they do have.

In relation to Berlin D2 they say they don't have the power to shut this down in relation to social distancing / public health grounds, Its not mentioned but they can of course enforce existing licencing laws.

As also explained previously Gardai can't shutdown a house party.

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1295382377439477761?s=09

wadacrack

wadacrack wrote: »

What would you do? Theirs no easy way out of this pandemic. The best strategy seems to be suppression similar to Asia. Im not sure we have the culture for that. Asian people are in general much more disciplined.

Control our Airports/Ports better with stricter quarantine etc. and get our politicians to start a charm offensive with NI/UK to reciprocate. Tell the people we are aiming for zero covid to get them to buy into greater restrictions in the short term. All of the other tools we have in place were good. There was a day in June i think were we had 5 cases in the whole of the island. We had it beaten into submission, but week after week we had imported cases reported not properly quarantined. All those asian countries have strict quarantine/border controls. Supressing the virus with weak border controls is like building a house with poor foundations. Meat plant clusters is an effect of poor border control rather than the cause of outbreaks. The people have been disciplined, it is government policy that has failed us since June.

Gael23

Apparently huge number to come tonight

mloc123

wadacrack wrote: »

You keep saying the same thing but just increase the number every 3 to 4 weeks.

4 weeks time.. "once we keep it under 1000 a day we should be fine" :pac:

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

Apparently huge number to come tonight

Appearently according to who?

giveitholly

https://twitter.com/TippFM/status/1295385259211718656?s=19

ACitizenErased

giveitholly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TippFM/status/1295385259211718656?s=19

Another factory.... seriously

mloc123

I am not sure why people are convinced the schools will be some major cause for increased cases. Childcare is now open 7 weeks with I think 2 outbreaks associated with them (one in Dublin which was a worker returning from travel and the Navan cluster).

Doctor Jimbob

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Another factory.... seriously

Feckin pubs!

Gael23

Should we be worried about eating meat at this point?

ACitizenErased

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Feckin pubs!

Young people!!

Ll31

Schools v childcare pt Yeah but schools have bigger nos and sec schools final 2 yrs r essentially adults who appear to spread it better than children... well depending on what u read lady..

Psychiatric Patrick

seamus wrote: »

Your phone doesn't have sensors that can accurately tell you if someone is less than 2m from you.

It would be more frustrating than useful, it would be going off both too often and not enough.

Back to drawing board for the personal force field projector so.., :P

seanb85

mloc123 wrote: »

I am not sure why people are convinced the schools will be some major cause for increased cases. Childcare is now open 7 weeks with I think 2 outbreaks associated with them (one in Dublin which was a worker returning from travel and the Navan cluster).

There was another in Limerick that I am aware of.

Oranage2

mloc123 wrote: »

4 weeks time.. "once we keep it under 1000 a day we should be fine" :pac:

It's only an outlier...

froog

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There is no due diligence being done with referrals, you can not see a doctor, any sniffle and it's a covid test. That practice has to stop. It's a Tommy gun approach, it's why were seeing so little cases out of such massive testing. 1.8% positive = 98.2% of other ailments are not being seen to. Crazy approach that's not sustainable with schools going back and winter arriving. They need to start getting more specific. Any cough or any blocked nose is not and never has been enough to warrant a covid test.

i actually agree with you. our testing capacity could quickly get backed up again if every sniffle or headache is getting a test not to mention causing carnage in workplaces and schools with half the workforce isolating at any one time.

everyone seemed pretty clear when they should ring their GP the first time round, the waters seem a bit muddied now.

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Gael23 wrote: »

Should we be worried about eating meat at this point?

Only if you want your pudding.

ACitizenErased

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's only an outlier...

Not really sure you can mock, Mr. Formula.

KrustyUCC

seanb85 wrote: »

There was another in Limerick that I am aware of.

At least two in Limerick

hmmm

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I do find his general commentary interesting as he is questioning the mainstream narrative, with less emotion/agenda/conspiracy than others in that cohort.

The only thing is that the "mainstream narrative" is the "mainstream" because that is what the vast majority of serious scientists think. Challenging that is all very well, but it gives the impression there is some sort of debate going on when there really isn't.

As someone once said, "alternative medicine" would just be called "medicine" if it worked.

is_that_so

mloc123 wrote: »

I am not sure why people are convinced the schools will be some major cause for increased cases. Childcare is now open 7 weeks with I think 2 outbreaks associated with them (one in Dublin which was a worker returning from travel and the Navan cluster).

Childcare is tiny in comparison to 1m schoolkids moving about. I agree that they shouldn't be a high risk area,but it's all down to the minutiae of how each school is set up. If it's even done at 80% of optimum it should be fine.

seamus

Gael23 wrote: »

Should we be worried about eating meat at this point?

I would avoid eating pre-packed cold meats tbh.

Anything you have to cook is fine.

stephenjmcd

Croke Park stood down as a testing centre.

Testing for North Dublin City and county moved to the National Show Grounds in Swords

mloc123

mloc123 wrote: »

4 weeks time.. "once we keep it under 1000 a day we should be fine" :pac:

If at 1,000 at day we were mostly still seeing asymptomatics and hospital levels and death rates were still relatively low it would be fine. Do not think that would be the case, but that is the appropriate measure. It is increasing slightly, so we will reach a tipping point

seamus

seamus wrote: »

I would avoid eating pre-packed cold meats tbh.

Anything you have to cook is fine.

Maybe if it went straight from the packaging line to your fridge, but supply chains are not that short

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

6 people seems quite low to me for southdoc in a day to be honest. For the entire south of the country.

I thought it was 6 referred from one GP in one Southdoc centre I could be wrong, so apologies if I am

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

What i am saying is our measures need to keep it under 5k per week. If we couldn't keep it under 5k per week and vast majority of cases are not within specific regions, the return to phase 1/2 is inevitable. Lockdown will not happen nationwide though

This country sh*ts the bed if we hit 100 cases in a day. Even with 80 asymptomatic and 20 mild.

People on here would beyond hysterical if we even had 5K cases in a week.

podgeandrodge

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I agree. I think schools should be opened before any drastic decisions are made.

Hold on a minute. It's completely unfair that they are prepared to gamble on opening schools opening and not pubs, when both are equally important!

drunkmonkey

mloc123 wrote: »

I am not sure why people are convinced the schools will be some major cause for increased cases. Childcare is now open 7 weeks with I think 2 outbreaks associated with them (one in Dublin which was a worker returning from travel and the Navan cluster).

There not sending every kid with 1 symptom home or for a Covid test, if they applied HSE criteria to the letter they'd find cases, they can't function if they did that. Cough and a Sniffle fine, temp over 38 and your sent home.

ACitizenErased

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought it was 6 referred from one GP in one Southdoc centre I could be wrong, so apologies if I am

The southdoc number goes through to the main centre on Kinsale Road.

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stephenjmcd wrote: »

Croke Park stood down as a testing centre.

Testing for North Dublin City and county moved to the National Show Grounds in Swords

If you're in North Dublin City and can't make it that far, they're also testing at the Aviva.

Not sure if you get a choice though but Swords in some journey for anyone in the city.

podgeandrodge

Gael23 wrote: »

Should we be worried about eating meat at this point?

I'm sure some are already avoiding the supermarket aisle where it's on sale. But I have not yet seen anything to suggest it's a risk (barring some article about frozen food somewhere), but I think we would have thousands of cases if this was an issue.

seamus wrote: »

I would avoid eating pre-packed cold meats tbh.

Anything you have to cook is fine.

Based on what thinking seamus?

JP Liz V1

Gael23 wrote: »

Apparently huge number to come tonight

I'd say around 85 to 95 not over 100

ACitizenErased

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Croke Park stood down as a testing centre.

Testing for North Dublin City and county moved to the National Show Grounds in Swords

Lack of demand?

Deeper Blue

The Unbearables wrote: »

We are in trouble right now and it's not even Autumn officially.

I expected these kind of increases when schools returned but for them to be happening prior to that is not good.

There are circa 20 people in hospital in the whole country.

Obviously things aren't rosy but at the same time people need to get a grip.

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JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought it was 6 referred from one GP in one Southdoc centre I could be wrong, so apologies if I am

I thought the same. It read as if it was one doc under the southdoc umbrella.

ACitizenErased

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’ve been very disappointed with the blame game being played on certain groups of people lately tbh, the whole reason this spike is happening in some counties is because of poor enforcement (factories, for example.)

Yes I don't think its helpful at all and deflects from what the government should be doing. Of course we all have to play our part, but to expect young people to not socialise for a few years is fanciful. Government/NPHET have to get R rate below 1 and sell it to people with a plan we all buy into.

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The southdoc number goes through to the main centre on Kinsale Road.

Is it not Killarney Kerry the triage nurse, then arranges appointment for you in nearest Southdoc centre

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ACitizenErased wrote: »

Lack of demand?

I wouldn't be surprised if the GAA had a say in it.

ACitizenErased

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is it not Killarney Kerry the triage nurse, then arranges appointment for you in nearest Southdoc centre

It may be a different centre than Kinsale Road, it does only go through to one though, for the whole of the south.

ACitizenErased

GooglePlus wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if the GAA had a say in it.

I thought that, bit early yet though.