Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Walnut Salad

RandomName2 wrote: »

They would lose prestige. Why get the most gold medals in the Olympics?

They don't. They were 3rd in the medals table at the last Summer Olympics.

A country with 5% of the Chinese population beat them.

Flimsy_Boat

Will there be a another lockdown announcement tomorrow at 11 am?

Strumms

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That's true as well. Options are fairly limited.

Public opinion on restrictions seems to be alot more divided now than a few months ago when nearly everyone agreed we needed restrictions. The public bought into it and got on with it, can't see that second time round

Less willingness is probably the true state of play. I’d simply empty every prison of people who have served say xx % of any non violent / non sexual crime..

Get cameras down to the joy, Limerick, midlands, portlaoise prisons, show empty cells, a quick snapshot of prison life and finally..

“It’s time everybody mucked in and were responsible, if you don’t think it’s time, you can think about DOING time”

caveat emptor

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not sure what they can really do, Donnelly on radio stations earlier saying no lockdowns and that they were very hopeful of lifting the one in place for the 3 counties.

Can't afford to shut down businesses again. Bar maybe as you say nursing home / hosptial restrictions and maybe advising to stay in your own county, seeing as they love kneejerk reactions probably just get rid of the green list completely, not sure what else can be brought in.

With them mentioning fatigue recently you really don't want to bring in anything too major to keep public buy in

Advising someone to stay in their own county is not a restriction. It’s a cop out. Implement mandatory testing and quarantine on arrival would be an effective measure. I agree with you though. We don’t do anything preemptive so it’ll have to get a lot worse before they do anything further to stop it.

mountgomery burns

spookwoman wrote: »

1st april Back around then shortage of testing kits, long delays in getting results and only testing around 1,500 a day or so

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0401/1127767-coronavirus-ireland-testing/

tests per day from 14th march to 31st march
946
1469
1564
978
2631
1516
1775
3376
2941
2206
1616
1397
1928

Great info thanks very much

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not sure what they can really do, Donnelly on radio stations earlier saying no lockdowns and that they were very hopeful of lifting the one in place for the 3 counties.

Can't afford to shut down businesses again. Bar maybe as you say nursing home / hosptial restrictions and maybe advising to stay in your own county, seeing as they love kneejerk reactions probably just get rid of the green list completely, not sure what else can be brought in.

With them mentioning fatigue recently you really don't want to bring in anything too major to keep public buy in

Yeah don't think there will be huge measures. House parties and socialising seem to be mentioned. Like you said before houses always where and can't penalise all pubs open now for a few dozen pubs acting the maggot. I think they will be targeted at protecting vulnerable vs lockdown of counties say. I really think large scale regular testing has to play a part especially with asymptomatic cases. Not sure if temporary testing centres are still in place in Kildare, Laoise and Offaly but good way to try to catch it before it spreads more.

Walnut Salad

Flimsy_Boat wrote: »

Will there be a another lockdown announcement tomorrow at 11 am?

Will you calm down. How have you coped for the past 6 months?

Maybe stockpiling toilet roll would keep you distracted?

podgeandrodge

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah don't think there will be huge measures. House parties and socialising seem to be mentioned. Like you said before houses always where and can't penalise all pubs open now for a few dozen pubs acting the maggot. I think they will be targeted at protecting vulnerable vs lockdown of counties say. I really think large scale regular testing has to play a part especially with asymptomatic cases. Not sure if temporary testing centres are still in place in Kildare, Laoise and Offaly but good way to try to catch it before it spreads more.

I for one find it disingenuous of them to be warning against house parties and closing pubs at 11pm.

Strumms

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I for one find it disingenuous of them to be warning against house parties and closing pubs at 11pm.

It’s not the governments fault if people cant or won’t adhere to restrictions that we have been asked to comply with as a life saving and health ensuring measure. Experts said approximately 3500 lives saved back in April so the guts of 7000 or more by now.

hotmail.com

Eod100 wrote: »

Fairly vague but seems to be the speculation in media lately alright. Can't see another national lockdown and seem reluctant to do more county restrictions unless necessary. Maybe restrictions on nursing home visits say? https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1295481752786472960?s=19

Fairly obvious this was on the cards given the rising cases. I can see the existing pubs having more restrictions put on them, possibly earlier closing time or closed altogether.

And gyms may also be forced to close. Household gatherings down to 6 again.

growleaves

Strumms wrote: »

Less willingness is probably the true state of play. I’d simply empty every prison of people who have served say xx % of any non violent / non sexual crime..

Get cameras down to the joy, Limerick, midlands, portlaoise prisons, show empty cells, a quick snapshot of prison life and finally..

“It’s time everybody mucked in and were responsible, if you don’t think it’s time, you can think about DOING time”

Lol

Eod100

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I for one find it disingenuous of them to be warning against house parties and closing pubs at 11pm.

I guess they still want them operating as restaurants as such so not sure do people really go to have a meal after that time. I'm sure house parties happen after and pubs staying open later too but guess that risk is always there. Probably happens too with people not going to 2 pubs in a row or spend more money on food so just go back to a house.

eagle eye

Rambling Man wrote:

You think the Government should have been physically stopping sports fans from travelling to UK?

No they should have banned travel into and out of the country before then.

Eod100

hotmail.com wrote: »

Fairly obvious this was on the cards given the rising cases. I can see the existing pubs having more restrictions put on them, possibly earlier closing time or closed altogether.

And gyms may also be forced to close. Household gatherings down to 6 again.

Do you think they will be that broad? I'm not so sure. Will have to wait and see I guess!

hotmail.com

Eod100 wrote: »

Do you think they will be that broad? I'm not so sure. Will have to wait and see I guess!

I'm not quite sure where they have room to manoeuvre other than to close pubs/gyms and possibly restaurants.

Restrictions on travel within Ireland is unlikely as it will damage the staycation thing.

Eod100

hotmail.com wrote: »

I'm not quite sure where they have room to manoeuvre other than to close pubs/gyms and possibly restaurants.

Restrictions on travel within Ireland is unlikely as it will damage the staycation thing.

Yeah true. I was just thinking might be more targeted to try to prevent it getting into nursing homes, direct provision centres etc but not sure what that could involve besides say visitor restrictions.

SeaBreezes

hotmail.com wrote: »

I'm not quite sure where they have room to manoeuvre other than to close pubs/gyms and possibly restaurants.

Restrictions on travel within Ireland is unlikely as it will damage the staycation thing.

Locality based. Same as before. Rolling lockdowns based on numbers.

hotmail.com

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Locality based. Same as before. Rolling lockdowns based on numbers.

Tipperary must be bracing itself for bad news.

caveat emptor

Gruffalox wrote: »

I don't know. Loads of things I don't know. Hurts me head sometimes how much I don't know!

Couple of thoughts though... 1 in every 150 people dying from something that could run like wildfire through our species due to little defense and big contagiousness is not negligible on a per capita basis.
Especially if it repeats.
Also the long term effects of surviving it are not quantifiable yet. Maybe China fears them. Loss of productive ability in a percentage of survivors would be a big cost if the sequelae are debilitating.
Possibilities behind caution.

Edit 150 not 180.

Yeah I’m wondering about this too. It’s perfectly suited to crippling economies that hold personal liberty as a right. Essentially the west is being slowly crippled due to not restricting.

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1295471642865545217?s=21

Del Griffith

mloc123 wrote: »

People did their time... For the greater good.

Then, a bunch of food processing plants and selfish minority undid all that work. There is no public appetite to go through it again.. only for the same sectors to undo it... Again.

It was a debatably a waste of time then and it'll definitely be a waste of time if it happens again too.
Posts like the above ignore the fact that we were told they were temporary measures to allow the services to cope. Well the services did cope and are coping. Unless you plan on being locked down for years (vaccine) or forever, then there is going to be some level of cases. This isn't "all our hard work being undone", this is called getting on with it.

eagle eye

Del Griffith wrote:

It was a waste of time then and it'll be a waste of time if it happens again too. Posts like these ignore the fact that we were told they were temporary measures to allow the services to cope. Well the services did cope and are coping. Unless you plan on being locked down for years (vaccine) or forever, then there is going to be some level of cases. This isn't "all our hard work being undone", this is called getting on with it.

How long do you the no it takes to get covid free? I think you can do it in eight weeks. Lock everything down, deal with the cases at hand. As soon as they clear up.you are covid free. Staying that way is the more difficult thing. Nobody in without passing a test. You get quarantined if you have it returning. You get sent back to where you came from if you are not resident and you have covid.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

How long do you the no it takes to get covid free? I think you can do it in eight weeks. Lock everything down, deal with the cases at hand. As soon as they clear up.you are covid free. Staying that way is the more difficult thing. Nobody in without passing a test. You get quarantined if you have it returning. You get sent back to where you came from if you are not resident and you have covid.

Knowingly send someone infected on a flight?

rob316

Your a fairly uneducated person if he you think "covid free" is a realistic goal without a vaccine.

Maestro85

Mate of mine back home in Clare told me there are 3 cases in Lahinch now and one suspected (to be confirmed) case in the Aran Islands. I was planning on heading back home in September fml and going out and about as I had hoped things would have quietened with the east coast tourists coming in on the family staycations all going back east.. speaking to him about tourism there and by the sounds of it Clare is the 4th highest now in recent spikes or am I wrong.... too tired and lazy to look up the numbers again.

marno21

A Tipperary lockdown, if these clusters in Golden and Cahir continue to grow, needs to be thought through carefully. If John from Portroe can't head on his staycation because there's clusters 80km away in food processing plants, it's going to dent confidence in the already troubled tourism industry in this country.

These random clusters popping up in food processing facilities would make you wonder how many mild or asymptomatic cases there are hiding in the general population at large.

JP Liz V1

Super_Sonic wrote: »

I'm really questioning why amateur clubs are operating at all, it's only a hobby. No point risking you health and that of your family and friends over it.

There might be some discussion to be had over professional clubs as many people, not just players, depend on them for income.

There has been quite a few sports clubs with positive tested players and staff

Carlow GAA is facing a Covid-19 crisis with Mount Leinster Rangers becoming the fourth club in the county to halt activities until further notice in recent days.

Mount Leinster Rangers, Leinster club SHC champions in 2013, were forced to make the call yesterday morning after a club member was identified as a close contact with a confirmed Covid-19 case.

It comes after Clonmore, Fenagh and Ballon were forced to suspend activities in recent days with a Clonmore player confirming to have tested positive for coronavirus

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/carlow-facing-covid-crisis-after-fourth-gaa-club-halts-activities-39451299.html

bodhrandude

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Leo , Simon and Tony kept us all on our toes
Where is MM when the numbers are rising and anxiety increasing ?
No leadership , no one around who gives a toss

I posted this on Tony Holohan's twitter page, a plea if you like.

https://twitter.com/pinkfloydish/status/1295513142815068161?fbclid=IwAR0WgxdnU019QE5vtylxO8QJdUK_xO99tHIWlMDmp8qwjN_NnVzrHLqNSrA

smellyoldboot

bodhrandude wrote: »

I posted this on Tony Holhan's twitter page, a plea if you like.

https://twitter.com/pinkfloydish/status/1295513142815068161?fbclid=IwAR0WgxdnU019QE5vtylxO8QJdUK_xO99tHIWlMDmp8qwjN_NnVzrHLqNSrA

Gomey.

bodhrandude

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Gomey.

Sure what you know, you are just a smelly old boot

AlmightyCushion

bodhrandude wrote: »

I posted this on Tony Holohan's twitter page, a plea if you like.

https://twitter.com/pinkfloydish/status/1295513142815068161?fbclid=IwAR0WgxdnU019QE5vtylxO8QJdUK_xO99tHIWlMDmp8qwjN_NnVzrHLqNSrA

His wife has cancer and is in palliative care. Would you leave him alone for fecks sake.

bodhrandude

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

His wife has cancer and is in palliative care. Would you leave him alone for fecks sake.

Hey I'm not actually expecting him to come back, I'm just making a point and a statement that our present government has been pretty useless.

fritzelly

bodhrandude wrote: »

Hey I'm not actually expecting him to come back, I'm just making a point and a statement that our present government has been pretty useless.

I'm sure he's got better things to be doing right now than checking his twitter account

mr_edge_to_you

marno21 wrote: »

A Tipperary lockdown, if these clusters in Golden and Cahir continue to grow, needs to be thought through carefully. If John from Portroe can't head on his staycation because there's clusters 80km away in food processing plants, it's going to dent confidence in the already troubled tourism industry in this country.

These random clusters popping up in food processing facilities would make you wonder how many mild or asymptomatic cases there are hiding in the general population at large.

It must be absolutely rampant in the wider community. While to focus is on food processing at the moment, I reckon If they did testing in random supermarkets and building sites it would show that the virus is rampant amongst people working in those environments too.

JTMan

Irish Independent reports:

- Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
- Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
- Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
- Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

ThunbergsAreGo

bodhrandude wrote: »

Hey I'm not actually expecting him to come back, I'm just making a point and a statement that our present government has been pretty useless.

Its much easier to lockdown than open up.

This bit was always the hard part, and has been globally.

pc7

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Not sure they can advise staying in your own county

Would destroy what little tourism is keeping hotels and restaurants going

If that’s the plan they better tell us today. We’ve a wend booked this week and today is cancellation cut off.

lee_baby_simms

Big roll shortages already being reported nationwide.

prunudo

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Independent reports:

- Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
- Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
- Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
- Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

Sounds like they don't know if they're coming or going. Lets be honest, the case numbers may be higher than a month ago but that is because they are blanket testing clusters. The reports of high volumes of asymptomatic cases shows that illness isn't as serious as they led us to believe for the vast majority.
We have to start living with this virus and restricting outdoor gatherings to 15 is the wrong way to go about that.

Leftwaffe

What are they going to restrict? Ffs the rest of Europe is open and we're going backwards.

Sort out your tracking and tracing, sort out your meat plants, sort out the travel, give us better data to deal with.

This thing is here to stay. Wash your hands, wear a mask. We have to get on with life.

Tefral

prunudo wrote: »

the reports of high volumes of asymptomatic cases shows that illness isn't as serious as they led us to believe for the vast majority.
We have to start living with this virus and restricting outdoor gatherings to 15 is the wrong way to go about that.

I kinda half agree with you. However, have you seen the German medical reports about the long term damage to peoples organs it can do? Including those with little or no symptoms.

The problem at the moment is its all reactionary rather than any real forward planning

Pitch n Putt

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Independent reports:

- Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
- Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
- Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
- Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

Who’s going to enforce this?

Answer =Nobody

Game is up people are fatigued with all the restrictions and chopping and changing.

All pointless.

Spreading in work environments mainly now.
Have had long enough to get a handle on it in these places. Hasn’t happened

Schools supposedly next plan to open up.

Everything else going backwards whilst the try to push forward with school reopening.

Another mess ahead here. No solid plan in place.

They’ve had almost 6 months but nothing really done until a month ago.

gifted

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Independent reports:

- Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
- Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
- Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
- Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

Not exactly reassuring recommendations are they?....can't see people taking any more notice of these .

celt262

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Independent reports:

- Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
- Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
- Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
- Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

I have no intention of working from home again I did it for 3 months and was near breaking point at end of it. I can go into the office and not be in close contact with anyone from morning till evening.

prunudo

Tefral wrote: »

I kinda half agree with you. However, have you seen the German medical reports about the long term damage to peoples organs it can do? Including those with little or no symptoms.

The problem at the moment is its all reactionary rather than any real forward planning

Breathing in diesel fumes has long term effects, eating greasy food every day has long term effects, drinking alcohol has long term effects, even contuined stress and worry have long term effects.

Everything in this life has risk, the experts and scientists will find issues with everything if they look hard enough.

As has been said before, the way the authorities are reacting is like covid is the only illness or thing to cause death.

GooglePlus

These potential lockdown measures don't really change a whole lot, if that's what they put in place this evening.

They're not going to change anyone's behaviour, so a waste of time in my eyes.

I suppose they have to be seen to have done something before schools reopen as there is potential for that to be a disaster and they'll be able to say that they tried their best but really they're just playing the public like a fiddle.

stephenjmcd

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Independent reports:

- Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
- Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
- Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
- Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

Just to clarify its outdoor gatherings at houses, not outdoor gatherings such as the 200 allowed at GAA matches for example.

The work home from is already still in play from the first round of lockdown, nothing changed there. As per the roadmap those who can work from home are to do so. There was no end date on that.

Only new measures are older people to restrict movements and 6 from 3 houses.

But again they've no control over what goes on in private houses, even during the early lockdown there were still house parties and there still will be now.

There really is nothing that new there, already measures that were in place.

stephenjmcd

As expected didn't take long for cracks to show.

"Cabinet ministers are becoming increasingly frustrated with Nphet advice on the pandemic as they believe it is out of kilter with advice being put forward by public-health experts in other EU countries. Increasing frustration over Covid-19 restrictions is expected to play out when the Cabinet meets today. Fine Gael ministers are expected to push for less restrictive measures despite the increase in new cases.

A Cabinet source said there were concerns at the highest ranks of Cabinet that Nphet had "departed from the European mainstream in the severity of their advice" as they are "under pressure from academic commentators as opposed to solid science".

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/older-people-will-be-told-to-limit-time-outdoors-and-family-gatherings-to-be-reduced-to-six-to-try-to-stall-resurgence-of-covid-19-39458325.html

MickeyLeari

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Independent reports:

- Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
- Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
- Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
- Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

Cabinet are seemingly not all convinced on the proposed measures. Asking older people to Cocoon again will not go down particularly well.

Logically people know that the vast majority of cases are from known clusters.

MickeyLeari

stephenjmcd wrote: »

As expected didn't take long for cracks to show.

"Cabinet ministers are becoming increasingly frustrated with Nphet advice on the pandemic as they believe it is out of kilter with advice being put forward by public-health experts in other EU countries. Increasing frustration over Covid-19 restrictions is expected to play out when the Cabinet meets today. Fine Gael ministers are expected to push for less restrictive measures despite the increase in new cases.

A Cabinet source said there were concerns at the highest ranks of Cabinet that Nphet had "departed from the European mainstream in the severity of their advice" as they are "under pressure from academic commentators as opposed to solid science".

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/older-people-will-be-told-to-limit-time-outdoors-and-family-gatherings-to-be-reduced-to-six-to-try-to-stall-resurgence-of-covid-19-39458325.html

Simon Harris will no doubt we sitting on the FF side of the table on this one.

prunudo

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just to clarify its outdoor gatherings at houses, not outdoor gatherings such as the 200 allowed at GAA matches for example.

Okay that makes more sense, I was wondering where they were going with their advice. I suppose we'll see later in the day what is announced. But in my mind for the vast majority of counties any further restrictions aren't needed.