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FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

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    #3032
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Not a Leo fan and admit he's a bit narcissistic.
    But making up lies about him sort of turns his critics in to hypocritical hyperbole merchants too.
    There's enough of truth out there about him to bury most politicians, why bother making up stuff and lying as well?

    What lies? You alleged it was claimed he was a Putinite, nobody said he was so don't be getting defensive over your own spin. We've already a lad does that.


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    #3033
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Not a Leo fan and admit he's a bit narcissistic.
    But making up lies about him sort of turns his critics in to hypocritical hyperbole merchants too.
    There's enough of truth out there about him to bury most politicians, why bother making up stuff and lying as well?

    Because that is what they do. He lives in their heads and it spills out in this way.


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    #3034
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    At least that's truthful.
    But a lad saying he was approving the Putin regime because he praised a vaccine?
    Christ!

    You inferred and alleged that. Nobody said it. Quit the spin if you want honesty, as you claim.


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    #3035
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
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    Leo never said gmhe approved of the Russian regime, but if he sees something useful that they have and can see the value of using it that doesn't make him a supporter of the regime responsible for its production.

    You made this up though Bish. He should not be commending anything the Putin regime does IMO. It's all done under threat of violence. For instance we'd have fewer Covid regulation transgressors if there was a chance they could end up beaten and sent to a penal colony. Do you see my actual point now?


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    #3036
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    Interesting not a single comment from saying that getting access to the Russian vaccine would help get out of the hole that is Covid.

    To an outsider it would seem that no matter what any of the political parties do, good or bad, some people will come up with some bulls**t excuse to moan.


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    #3037
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Interesting not a single comment from saying that getting access to the Russian vaccine would help get out of the hole that is Covid.

    To an outsider it would seem that no matter what any of the political parties do, good or bad, some people will come up with some bulls**t excuse to moan.

    Maybe they should concentrate on rolling out the vaccines they have without confusion and chaos.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/parish-halls-may-be-used-as-vaccine-centres-for-over-70s-as-plan-for-gps-now-in-disarray-40050228.html


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    #3038
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Maybe they should concentrate on rolling out the vaccines they have without confusion and chaos.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/parish-halls-may-be-used-as-vaccine-centres-for-over-70s-as-plan-for-gps-now-in-disarray-40050228.html

    Why would they give the AstraZeneca vaccine to over 70's if it isn't effective?
    It seems the vaccines are in short supply so it makes sense to use them best, if the success rate is better with another vaccine in over 70's then target others with the AstraZeneca, would you not agree?

    Plus we are talking about the Russia one and getting our hands on it


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    #3039
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Why would they give the AstraZeneca vaccine to over 70's if it isn't effective?
    It seems the vaccines are in short supply so it makes sense to use them best, if the success rate is better with another vaccine in over 70's then target others with the AstraZeneca, would you not agree?

    Plus we are talking about the Russia one and getting our hands on it

    You are.


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    #3040
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Why would they give the AstraZeneca vaccine to over 70's if it isn't effective?
    It seems the vaccines are in short supply so it makes sense to use them best, if the success rate is better with another vaccine in over 70's then target others with the AstraZeneca, would you not agree?

    Plus we are talking about the Russia one and getting our hands on it

    Is that a defence of the confusion and mixed messaging of the last week alone?

    One minister saying one thing and another something different?


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    #3041
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Is that a defence of the confusion and mixed messaging of the last week alone?

    One minister saying one thing and another something different?

    LV poking his head in to give his ramblings should be halted by any adults present. Could you imagine Joe Biden or Macron commending anything the Putin regime did? And if MLMD did same as LV she'd have her own thread ffs and they know it. Dishonest.


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    #3042
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Is that a defence of the confusion and mixed messaging of the last week alone?

    One minister saying one thing and another something different?

    As long as the HSE know what they are doing I don't care what a few politicians are saying. Its not a politician that is responsible for administering the vaccine and it makes perfect sense not to give a vaccine to over 70's if it doesn't work.


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    #3043
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    James Brown wrote: »
    LV poking his head in to give his ramblings should be halted by any adults present. Could you imagine Joe Biden or Macron commending anything the Putin regime did? And if MLMD did same as LV she'd have her own thread ffs and they know it. Dishonest.

    What do we care what Biden or Macron do? we need to get as much vaccine as possible and get out of Covid. I couldn't give a sh*t what Leo does if we get a couple of million of vaccine before everyone else

    We can say how bad Putin is once the country is covid free


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    #3044
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    James Brown wrote: »
    You are.

    I forgot, you are just moaning about Leo AGAIN


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    #3045
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    What do we care what Biden or Macron do? we need to get as much vaccine as possible and get out of Covid. I couldn't give a sh*t what Leo does if we get a couple of million of vaccine before everyone else

    We can say how bad Putin is once the country is covid free

    Why do we care about anything as long as Leo/FG/FF/Greens aren't criticised.


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    #3046
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why do we care about anything as long as Leo/FG/FF/Greens aren't criticised.

    More than welcome to criticise them, as I have said all along they are a disaster and I would welcome an election once the virus is gone

    Moaning about Leo because he might get some vaccine from Russia is a bit silly isn't it?


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    #3047
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    More than welcome to criticise them, as I have said all along they are a disaster and I would welcome an election once the virus is gone

    Moaning about Leo because he might get some vaccine from Russia is a bit silly isn't it?

    Why doesn't Leo actually try and get some vaccine if he thinks he can, then have his self promoting tweets about it?


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    #3048
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    I forgot, you are just moaning about Leo AGAIN

    No, you said WE were talking about getting the Russian vaccine. We were not.


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    #3049
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    More than welcome to criticise them, as I have said all along they are a disaster and I would welcome an election once the virus is gone

    Moaning about Leo because he might get some vaccine from Russia is a bit silly isn't it?


    This is you right?
    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    I forgot, you are just moaning about Leo AGAIN


    Again, absolutely nobody mentioned Leo getting vaccine from Russia.


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    #3050
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Maybe they should concentrate on rolling out the vaccines they have without confusion and chaos.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/parish-halls-may-be-used-as-vaccine-centres-for-over-70s-as-plan-for-gps-now-in-disarray-40050228.html

    Up to Sunday night there were 207k doses of vaccines in the country and 200k had been given out, they had essentially run out. Seems like they have rolled out the "vaccines they have" just fine?


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    #3051
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Up to Sunday night there were 207k doses of vaccines in the country and 200k had been given out, they had essentially run out. Seems like they have rolled out the "vaccines they have" just fine?

    So can you point to a clear plan for the future?

    Can you deny that there hasn't been mixed messaging from government ministers in the last few days? Are GPs confused.


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    #3052
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So can you point to a clear plan for the future?

    Can you deny that there hasn't been mixed messaging from government ministers in the last few days? Are GPs confused.

    The AstraZeneca decision only happened a few days ago and requires a change of plan now that they aren't going to give it to over 70s. You can't just roll out a new plan immediately, it takes time and the vaccines aren't going to be here until next week anyway. thought that was well known.

    My better half is a GP and she doesn't seem confused. The ICGP weekly update had a good section on vaccines last night and it seems like GPs have a good grasp of the vaccines and the difficulties administering them and the required changes the AstraZeneca decision has caused.

    I'm confused by your point though. Initially you were concerned about them rolling out the "vaccines they have" (direct quote). Once it was pointed out to you that they have actually given out all those doses the goal posts have then moved again to some wishy washy thing about vaccines they haven't got yet?


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    #3053
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Just wanted to prove I can talk ****e too.

    No need to prove that bish, sure the fact you ran away from several threads when asked to back up various BS posts is proof enough for most.


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    #3054
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    The AstraZeneca decision only happened a few days ago and requires a change of plan now that they aren't going to give it to over 70s. You can't just roll out a new plan immediately, it takes time and the vaccines aren't going to be here until next week anyway. thought that was well known.

    My better half is a GP and she doesn't seem confused. The ICGP weekly update had a good section on vaccines last night and it seems like GPs have a good grasp of the vaccines and the difficulties administering them and the required changes the AstraZeneca decision has caused.

    I'm confused by your point though. Initially you were concerned about them rolling out the "vaccines they have" (direct quote). Once it was pointed out to you that they have actually given out all those doses the goal posts have then moved again to some wishy washy thing about vaccines they haven't got yet?

    You're better half isn't confused therefore there is no confusion.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40209641.html
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctors-frustrated-and-confused-about-their-role-in-covid-vaccine-plan-1.4434516
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hospitals-in-different-regions-given-unequal-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines-1066727.html
    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/confusion-west-cork-hospital-after-19591947


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    #3055
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    deathbomber wrote: »
    I see Neale Richmond responded to Ian Wrights tweet on his disappointment of the sentence given to the teenager for the unacceptable comments made.

    Richmond tweets something like "fully agree Wrighty, Ireland apologises".

    Personally i find this laughable, obviously that teenager was completely wrong for what he said and did but endorsing a jail term and potentially lead him into a life of no good is madness. I understand Wright's perspective and indeed there is no place for racism but wishing a jail term is unacceptable, the teenager was probably 16 or 17, stupid tweets but c'mon and particularly for a politician to also voice support for a jail term is farcical. Also referring to Wright as Wrighty is unprofessional. How is this guy in government

    Are you seriously getting upset about a politician calling Ian Wright, "Wrighty"?


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    #3056
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You're better half isn't confused therefore there is no confusion.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40209641.html
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctors-frustrated-and-confused-about-their-role-in-covid-vaccine-plan-1.4434516
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hospitals-in-different-regions-given-unequal-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines-1066727.html
    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/confusion-west-cork-hospital-after-19591947

    4 articles from December and early January? I thought your argument is about future vaccine doses? Or are we back to the "vaccines they have" again, which they completely used up? Back and forth like a yo-yo.


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    #3057
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So can you point to a clear plan for the future?

    Can you deny that there hasn't been mixed messaging from government ministers in the last few days? Are GPs confused.


    I can just see you now Francie, peering out the windscreen of your car surrounded by molten lava, telling your terrified passengers that the clear plan was to drive along the road on the map around the mountain to the other side, and that you are going to keep to the clear plan regardless of anything else that happens.


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    #3058
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    4 articles from December and early January? I thought your argument is about future vaccine doses? Or are we back to the "vaccines they have" again, which they completely used up? Back and forth like a yo-yo.

    I can use up all the butter in the house, but some f it might be smeared all over the floor or burnt in a pan. Just because you 'use it all' does not for a second suggest there hasn't been confusion in the rollout.

    And yes, there is currently confusion about the future plan again...your better half, not being aware of it is scant evidence that there isn't.

    Too many chiefs in the government and too many with ego's the size of a small country vying to be looked at.


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    #3059
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I can use up all the butter in the house, but some f it might be smeared all over the floor or burnt in a pan. Just because you 'use it all' does not for a second suggest there hasn't been confusion in the rollout.

    And yes, there is currently confusion about the future plan again...your better half, not being aware of it is scant evidence that there isn't.

    Too many chiefs in the government and too many with ego's the size of a small country vying to be looked at.

    I think I'm probably going to stick to the covid forum to discuss vaccines and progress from now on. The attempts at political point scoring around these parts like the post above is nauseating. Achieves nothing.


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    #3060
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I think I'm probably going to stick to the covid forum to discuss vaccines and progress from now on. The attempts at political point scoring around these parts like the post above is nauseating. Achieves nothing.

    This is a political thread. We review political actions and discuss. Now if you have anything other than the observations of your better half to dispute the fact there hasn't been pointless confusion then I am all eyes to read it.


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    #3061
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    This is a political thread. We review political actions and discuss. Now if you have anything other than the observations of your better half to dispute the fact there hasn't been pointless confusion then I am all eyes to read it.

    And we also compare the political actions of the government to political actions of the governments of the states to our North and to our East to see how they are doing............oh, that isn't allowed, as this is the bitch and moan thread.


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