FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

Then you need to read the post-Francie posted.

The timelines were from a time when FG was in a minority government and in government with Labour, all of 9 years ago... yes it's an old article and god knows why we are discussing the DUP in a thread about FG...

...well I know why, you do too... but its part of the course these days isn't it.

Ah 2019 was 9 years ago was it?..... Ancient history.

More recently though.

Fine Gael audience applauds as DUP's Donaldson says Ireland should join the Commonwealth

2019.

A SUGGESTION from the DUP’s Jeffrey Donaldson that Ireland should join the Commonwealth was met with applause at Fine Gael’s National Conference.

The Northern Ireland politician said Ireland would benefit from part of the group which is primarily made up of former territories of the British Empire.

“I do hope we can come to a day when the Republic will join with many other nationals in the Commonwealth nations recognising that we have overcome a lot of adversity.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Then you need to read the post-Francie posted.

The timelines were from a time when FG was in a minority government and in government with Labour, all of 9 years ago... yes it's an old article and god knows why we are discussing the DUP in a thread about FG...

...well I know why, you do too... but its part of the course these days isn't it.

It was a FG conference, not a government one.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Ah 2019 was 9 years ago was it?..... Ancient history.

More recently though.

Fine Gael audience applauds as DUP's Donaldson says Ireland should join the Commonwealth

2019.

Maybe they'll have Gregory Campbell next year?

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

2019.

Missing context.

He made the comments while sharing a stage with senior representatives from the SDLP, Alliance party and Tánaiste Simon Coveney.

Asked for his views by reporters afterwards, Mr Coveney said joining the Commonwealth was not on the table.

He claimed delegates clapped because they were “wanting to show some warmth towards Jeffrey Donaldson”.

“Fine Gael is a generous party and we want him to feel welcome.”

The idea of Ireland joining the Commonwealth is frequently raised by Fine Gael senator Frank Feighan – but Mr Coveney said there is “probably not” a majority to support it within the party.

“It’s not something that’s on my agenda,” he added.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Missing context.

'probably not'? Was that as certain as he could be???

markodaly

Just a question for our SF supporting regulars.

Is there something innately wrong with having a DUP elected rep speak at an event?

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'probably not'? Was that as certain as he could be???

Well in the context of a border poll, anything and everything will be up for discussion.

smurgen

McMurphy wrote: »

Ah 2019 was 9 years ago was it?..... Ancient history.

More recently though.

Fine Gael audience applauds as DUP's Donaldson says Ireland should join the Commonwealth

2019.

That's embarrassing.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Just a question for our SF supporting regulars.

Is there something innately wrong with having a DUP elected rep speak at an event?

Well have a look at some of the stuff this party has stood for since their foundation. Look at their record on rights and their opinions on civil liberties for all.
If you are comfortable sitting applauding them, fine.

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

Question, is any FG TD for you NOT on the take?

I think as a party they are all complicit in getting a **** deal from the tax payer and exacerbating crises but I wouldn't think they're all on the take.

James Brown

smurgen wrote: »

That's embarrassing.

The Empire Strikes back....
The FG'ers like Leo will be singing Wolfe Tones when a border poll passes.

markodaly

James Brown wrote: »

I think as a party they are all complicit in getting a **** deal from the tax payer and exacerbating crises but I wouldn't think they're all on the take.

So that is a no then?

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well have a look at some of the stuff this party has stood for since their foundation. Look at their record on rights and their opinions on civil liberties for all.
If you are comfortable sitting applauding them, fine.

Yet, SF is in government with them, which is much much worse IMO.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Yet, SF is in government with them, which is much much worse IMO.

They don't have a choice, they are democrats. FG 'chose' to invite them. That is for FG to defend/justify.
They are quite entitled to do it, just as I am entitled to make a judgement about that.

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

So that is a no then?

Want me to repeat the last line?

blanch152

markodaly wrote: »

Just a question for our SF supporting regulars.

Is there something innately wrong with having a DUP elected rep speak at an event?

Absolutely yes. Having the DUP speak at an event could mean that you are reaching out to the other side in a bi-partisan way to listen to what they have to say without necessarily agreeing with them.

However, in the eyes of Sinn Fein, that is tantamount to treason to the ideal of a pure Irish Ireland, cleansed of influence from anything British.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Absolutely yes. Having the DUP speak at an event could mean that you are reaching out to the other side in a bi-partisan way to listen to what they have to say without necessarily agreeing with them.

However, in the eyes of Sinn Fein, that is tantamount to treason to the ideal of a pure Irish Ireland, cleansed of influence from anything British.

I think FG are fully entitled to create friendships and alliances, have said so all along. I don't think SF objected either.

What I think of those friendships though is my own opinion that I am entitled to.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think FG are fully entitled to create friendships and alliances, have said so all along. I don't think SF objected either.

What I think of those friendships though is my own opinion that I am entitled to.

Yes, we know that you hold the exclusionary nationalist viewpoint that doesn't see the need for anything British on this island, so that opinion isn't unexpected.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, we know that you hold the exclusionary nationalist viewpoint that doesn't see the need for anything British on this island, so that opinion isn't unexpected.

Complete lie and misrepresentation AGAIN.

I see nothing British about the religious fundamentalism of the DUP and nothing they have to say would interest me. I actually think the likes of Gregory Campbell should be doing a spell in prison.
But again, I am a democrat, FG are free to make alliances where they may. Anyone within that party opposing a UI will be on the same side anyway, so I can see why DUP speakers would get an encouraging round of applause.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Complete lie and misrepresentation AGAIN.

I see nothing British about the religious fundamentalism of the DUP and nothing they have to say would interest me. I actually think the likes of Gregory Campbell should be doing a spell in prison.
But again, I am a democrat, FG are free to make alliances where they may. Anyone within that party opposing a UI will be on the same side anyway, so I can see why DUP speakers would get an encouraging round of applause.

For what?

Membership of a terrorist organisation?
Organising the disappearance of women?
Covering up child abuse?
Assisting child abusers to move jurisdictions?
Smuggling?
Killing gardai?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

For what?

Membership of a terrorist organisation?
Organising the disappearance of women?
Covering up child abuse?
Assisting child abusers to move jurisdictions?
Smuggling?
Killing gardai?

oops, I caused a deflection again, focusing on a FG action on a FG thread.

If you do something illegal you should pay the price...would you agree blanch?

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

oops, I caused a deflection again, focusing on a FG action on a FG thread.

If you do something illegal you should pay the price...would you agree blanch?

Absolutely. It appears SF don't though, especially in the case of our most dangerous terrorists and drug lords in their repeated efforts to dismantle the Special Criminal Court.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely. It appears SF don't though, especially in the case of our most dangerous terrorists and drug lords in their repeated efforts to dismantle the Special Criminal Court.

Open a thread in it maybe? There I will show you that people, from Amnesty to former president Mary RObinson have issues with the SCC.

Here we are discussing the alliance between the DUP and FG.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

oops, I caused a deflection again, focusing on a FG action on a FG thread.

If you do something illegal you should pay the price...would you agree blanch?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

. I actually think the likes of Gregory Campbell should be doing a spell in prison.

Gregory Campbell is not a member of FG, yet you introduced the subject of his alleged criminality into this thread. All I did was ask you for what he should do prison time. You have run away from the question.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Open a thread in it maybe? There I will show you that people, from Amnesty to former president Mary RObinson have issues with the SCC.

Here we are discussing the alliance between the DUP and FG.

A fantasy creation in your mind.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Gregory Campbell is not a member of FG, yet you introduced the subject of his alleged criminality into this thread. All I did was ask you for what he should do prison time. You have run away from the question.

Incitement to hatred for a start.

Google Mr Campbell's, Sammy Wilson's etc contributions over the years. Not a prob for FG when the DUP engage in it as they have over the years, clearly. 'Mon ahead to our main event and give us a speech. :rolleyes:

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Incitement to hatred for a start.

Google Mr Campbell's, Sammy Wilson's etc contributions over the years. Not a prob for FG when the DUP engage in it as they have over the years, clearly. 'Mon ahead to our main event and give us a speech. :rolleyes:

Has he been convicted of those offences in a kangaroo court, because I can't see any conviction in a normal court, which is the standard you usually apply?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Has he been convicted of those offences in a kangaroo court, because I can't see any conviction in a normal court, which is the standard you usually apply?

Where did I say anything about a conviction blanch...you setting up another strawman argument?

I actually think the likes of Gregory Campbell should be doing a spell in prison.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where did I say anything about a conviction blanch...you setting up another strawman argument?

Great, we are allowed to suggest people should be doing prison time without having to present any evidence or without those people being found guilty of any crime...........or is that only on this thread?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Great, we are allowed to suggest people should be doing prison time without having to present any evidence or without those people being found guilty of any crime...........or is that only on this thread?

There is plenty of evidence of incitement to hatred. Form your own opinion which is what I expressed in the time honoured way of expressing an opinion.

I actually think the likes of Gregory Campbell should be doing a spell in prison.