FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

And there you go on a shinner rant...all to deflect from the golf piss up. This national story is of less interest to you seemingly.

Quoted this separately as you are either badly mistaken or making things up to suit your agenda. McMurphy was saying something about why I disliked SF and came up with some nonsense about crossing my fingers. I gave some of the reasons why i despise them in return- clear now? I have called the Clifden events scumbag behaviour and not defended or deflected any of the participants in any of the multiple threads discussing it.

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

So now the way that Seamus Woulfe who has been advising FG on items such as the occupied territories bill and the ban on eviction has show a complete lack of judgement in relation to laws he helped draft is it fair to say that this legal advice they rely on so heavily is no longer reliable?

Just getting back on this. Seamus Woulfe saying he wasn't aware of the separation of powers or he wouldn't have attended. Also wasn't aware of the dinner even though it was on the invite or he wouldn't have attended. This is the legal advice FG has touted as almost God like. It has impacted the policies of the government. Is it fair to say now that FG as a party have been undermined? This is basic stuff.

https://twitter.com/bergormanlowry/status/1296929799596847104?s=19

McMurphy

christy c wrote: »

I think we should not be bring up someone who died serving the state to score points. If that means not bringing up Storey so be it.

I happen to agree - but as Francie already has said, it's not Garda Horkan being discussed, it's the mourner's at his funeral, likewise the Storey funeral mourners.

The virus doesn't care or know who is who at which funeral, there's only one crowd trying to score points of mourners at a funeral, I understand you're not at it yourself personally, and to be fair you seem to recognise the hypocrisy at play.

The fact does remain though, Storey's funeral, like Garda Horkans attracted a large number of mourners, some of which from each funeral could be seen breaking the social distancing guidelines at the time.

You cannot call one out without calling out the other.

christy c

McMurphy wrote: »

I happen to agree - but as Francie already has said, it's not Garda Horkan being discussed, it's the mourner's at his funeral, likewise the Storey funeral mourners.

The virus doesn't care or know who is who at which funeral, there's only one crowd trying to score points of mourners at a funeral, I understand you're not at it yourself personally, and to be fair you seem to recognise the hypocrisy at play.

The fact does remain though, Storey's funeral, like Garda Horkans attracted a large number of mourners, some of which from each funeral could be seen breaking the social distancing guidelines at the time.

You cannot call one out without calling out the other.

I could do a bit of nit picking but it's probably as close as we will come to agreement Have a good day

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

I think we should not be bring up someone who died serving the state to score points. If that means not bringing up Storey so be it.

Agreed. Didnt and would never. I don't care if they were serving the state or not.
By all means speak on Flanagan, the Garda and SF attending funerals not socially dustancing.
You've a problem with one but not the other. Covid doesn't play politics.

Muahahaha

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I will admit I’m an extremely intelligent man, dude. FG does tend to attract people of above average intelligence.

Thats kind of funny you claiming to be intelligent because just a few weeks ago you accused another poster on here of "not being detail orientated". And then in the very same post you completely mis-read an opinion poll and claimed that FG were doing better than SF which is evidently not the truth, you werent able to read the poll properly and then came in to the thread all guns blazing only to be proved wrong.

And then when called out on it you did a vanishing act. The post is still there if you want to respond to it? Your mis-reading of very basic polling information and then accusing others of "not being detail orientated" doesnt sound an awful lot like intelligent to me.

James Brown

smurgen wrote: »

Just getting back on this. Seamus Woulfe saying he wasn't aware of the separation of powers or he wouldn't have attended. Also wasn't aware of the dinner even though it was on the invite or he wouldn't have attended. This is the legal advice FG has touted as almost God like. It has impacted the policies of the government. Is it fair to say now that FG as a party have been undermined? This is basic stuff.

https://twitter.com/bergormanlowry/status/1296929799596847104?s=19

He helped the government navigate the legalities of social distancing rules ffs..
Some top judge, didn't know he was going to a piss up dinner. Did he think it was just him going?

Acosta

When you see small beaches in recent weeks packed with people running around half naked, tripping over each other with no social distancing whatsoever, all the hullabaloo around funerals seems a bit silly to me.

James Brown

Acosta wrote: »

When you see small beaches in recent weeks packed with people running around half naked, tripping over each other with no social distancing whatsoever, all the hullabaloo around funerals seems a bit silly to me.

I think its a tough call on funerals but people can social distance and should do.

Muahahaha

Looks like Varadkar was threatening to bring down the government

The controversy over Wednesday’s golf dinner in Galway was only the second major political controversy of the week. Though it was forgotten on Friday amid the outrage about the golf dinner, there was a significant and highly revealing row between the Taoiseach and Tánaiste at the Cabinet meeting on Tuesday that included a pointed warning from Leo Varadkar that the future of the Government is in jeopardy.
It was only 10 minutes before the Cabinet meeting was due to start when it became apparent to his colleagues that Varadkar was not happy. Word buzzed around Fine Gael Ministers that there was a problem; texts and Whatsapp messages flew. Some weren’t sure that the Cabinet meeting would go ahead at all. The problem-solvers – Fine Gael’s Simon Coveney and Paschal Donohoe – attempted emergency outreach to their Fianna Fail colleagues. What was the problem? But the Fianna Fáilers didn’t know either. The Cabinet meeting, with some members in attendance in Government Buildings and others (including Varadkar) joining remotely, began soon after 1pm.

On the agenda were the latest recommendations from the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet), advising the tightening of restrictions in response to the resurgence of the virus in recent days. In truth, the public health experts were extremely alarmed, and had mooted a return to a total lockdown if the trend in infections continued. But the politicians were united that this was impossible, for social and economic reasons.

Varadkar wanted this thrashed out at a Cabinet subcommittee rather than – as some Fine Gaelers saw it – being bounced into hasty decisions at the full Cabinet. He soon made his displeasure clear. “If we keep doing business like this,” he said, “we won’t be doing business for long.”
At first, some of the people around the table or tuning in weren’t sure they had heard right. Was the Tánaiste really talking about the potential end of the coalition Government – after seven weeks? It was perhaps the most shocking moment of the coalition’s life so far.
“Jeez that was rocky,” was one Minister’s assessment afterwards. Others were more direct. The word used by five different people, either present or briefed afterwards, was “****show”.
“Actually, it was worse than was reported,” said another senior figure a few days afterwards.

According to Fianna Fáil and some senior officials, Varadkar was being petulant and unreasonable, making his dramatic intervention in a way that he knew would soon become public knowledge. All the more so because it was – several senior sources have confirmed – his chief of staff, Brian Murphy, who suggested the Cabinet meeting in place of the subcommittee meeting. The criticism of Varadkar was loud and sharp and not confined to Fianna Fáil; Fine Gael Ministers and senior officials were also privately critical. “Industrial scale petulance”, was the acerbic comment of one official.
Others wondered if this was personality or political strategy. Varadkar rarely makes interventions without thinking them through. He would certainly have been aware this would be leaked. Politics is a mixture of public drama and private dealing, and nobody is a more careful student of the interplay between the two than Varadkar.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/public-trust-in-the-government-has-been-dealt-a-potentially-fatal-blow-1.4336057

If this government falls after only 7 weeks in power (and five bloody months just to form it) then thats on Leo Varadkar for his "industrial scale petulance".

Looks like Leo isnt so good at the old senior hurling, he was complaining two weeks ago like a whingebag in the Dail that he is getting bullied by the opposition and now this week he is throwing his toys out of the pram in a cabinet meeting that was actually called by his own Chief of Staff.

This FFG government is a complete and utter trainwreck at this stage and we now have Varadkar threatening to pull it down in the middle of a global pandemic. At a time when leadership is badly needed Leo is like a child going around and throwing hissy fits.

That is aside from his party members completely ignoring the very restrictions that they expected the rest of us to live under and his party completely undermining six months of public health policy. FG would do well to remember that 30% of all Covid cases have been front line workers like nurses and doctors. They are the ones fighting this virus and risking their health to do so. If there are fresh elections which seemingly Varadkar now wants he might get some shock of the verdict that the public delivers.

smurgen

Bowie wrote: »

He helped the government navigate the legalities of social distancing rules ffs..
Some top judge, didn't know he was going to a piss up dinner. Did he think it was just him going?

Ignorantia juris non excusat.
It's interesting to read over some of the stuff he had a hand in now with hindsight. Read this knowing what we now know. It makes some of the shakey advice provided in the past look even more suspect.

https://electronicintifada.net/content/did-irish-minister-distort-truth-over-israels-settlement-imports/30626

Muahahaha

smurgen wrote: »

Ignorantia juris non excusat.
It's interesting to read over some of the stuff he had a hand in now with hindsight. Read this knowing what we now know. It makes some of the shakey advice provided in the past look even more suspect.

https://electronicintifada.net/content/did-irish-minister-distort-truth-over-israels-settlement-imports/30626

This would be the same Fine Gael attorney general who told us that a rent freeze during a housing crises would be unconstitutional but when the pandemic came along suddenly a ban on evictions wasn't unconstitutional. He is a Fine Gaeler Attorney General who was just there to provide Fine Gael with political cover for what ever policy they want to shaft the public on.

smurgen

Muahahaha wrote: »

This would be the same Fine Gael attorney general who told us that a rent freeze during a housing crises would be unconstitutional but when the pandemic came along suddenly a ban on evictions wasn't unconstitutional. He is a Fine Gaeler Attorney General who was just there to provide Fine Gael with political cover for what ever policy they want to shaft the public on.

After this the legal advice they rely on will have to be challenged rigorously. Having them hid behind a man with a Lionel Hutz type demeanor is cringe inducing.

Brendan Bendar

Lot of anger out there

Muahahaha

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Lot of anger out there

The anger is very real and it is amongst Fine Gael voters themselves. Im just off the phone to a sibling who is a hospital consultant and very much a FG voter. Was told that the anger was palpable in work yesterday among the other consultants and senior registrars. They're all asking why they are risking their own health and that of their families to fight this virus while FG are on a piss up in a hotel and breaking the very rules that they made up to stop the spread of the virus. As far as my sibling is concerned they will never again be voting for FG and Id say that feeling is mutual amongst their colleagues and right across the medical profession.

The next opinion polls out are going to be very interesting indeed, FG have shat all over the country and over their own voters. People have lost thousands of euro on cancelled holidays, others had only had 10 people at loved ones funeral and others had to cancel weddings.Busineeses have been shuttered and hundreds of thousands of jobs are lost. And because Fine Gael are so out of touch they didnt even think that going on a glorified piss up would make the public at large angry. How wrong they were.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Lot of anger out there

Lots of anger to make you call for this...no Brendi? Kind of a technical sacking that, no?
I.E. If we could we would sack you.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1297259571543715842

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

This is the relevant thread - right?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296940950472794113?s=19

Bye bye Phil too by the looks of things

https://twitter.com/sundayworld/status/1297277239315386370?s=19

McMurphy

It will be interesting to see the timeline of this golfing tournament big Phil's just "come back from" in Holland.

I know he said he came back "late July" to Ireland, but I'm wondering if this golf outing was before "late July" or afterwards?

Phil hardly forgot that he was in Holland sometime in August?

Keep em coming FFG, the entertainment is epic.

Muahahaha

Looking strongly now like Hogan is toast. This is one scandal he wont be able to brazen out, its resign or be sacked time now for Big Phil.

This is senior hurling, etc, etc.

FrancieBrady

I hope the 81 are all now in quarantine. Phil could be a superspreader for all we know.

Muahahaha

David Cullinane on the TV3 news just there saying that Fine Gael have always shouted that a Sinn Fein government would be a chaotic one but it is Fine Gael themselves who are the ones delivering the chaos , ouch!

Anyway how much longer can Phil hang on by his fingernails? Leo looking increasingly weak now that he hasnt been able to get rid of him behind the scenes to the EU

James Brown

Muahahaha wrote: »

David Cullinane on the TV3 news just there saying that Fine Gael have always shouted that a Sinn Fein government would be a chaotic one but it is Fine Gael themselves who are the ones delivering the chaos , ouch!

Anyway how much longer can Phil hang on by his fingernails? Leo looking increasingly weak now that he hasnt been able to get rid of him behind the scenes to the EU

Unfortunately the Dail are on holliers and he can't counter with the usual 'I know you are, but what am I?' level of debate so he'll flounder until he gets inspired from Netflix again.

Brendan Bendar

Muahahaha wrote: »

David Cullinane on the TV3 news just there saying that Fine Gael have always shouted that a Sinn Fein government would be a chaotic one but it is Fine Gael themselves who are the ones delivering the chaos , ouch!

Anyway how much longer can Phil hang on by his fingernails? Leo looking increasingly weak now that he hasnt been able to get rid of him behind the scenes to the EU

Cullinane wants to ‘ break the state’ and professes support of a terrorist organisation.

Hardly the kind of guy you want, and more importantly the electorate want in charge.

I’m afraid the murky past of the line out who are the opposition tells us they have no chance of power.

Sure the bullhorn brigade, the support anything negative, the professional picketeers, the magic money tree mob, the ‘tax the rich crusties’ the blowhard priviliged will continue to pump out the negativity .

Those who get up early will blow these chancers out of the water at election time.

Lot of anger out there....

Yurt2

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Cullinane wants to ‘ break the state’ and professes support of a terrorist organisation.

Hardly the kind of guy you want, and more importantly the electorate want in charge.

I’m afraid the murky past of the line out who are the opposition tells us they have no chance of power.

Sure the bullhorn brigade, the support anything negative, the professional picketeers, the magic money tree mob, the ‘tax the rich crusties’ the blowhard priviliged will continue to pump out the negativity .

Those who get up early will blow these chancers out of the water at election time.

Lot of anger out there....

That's a full Bendar / JohnnyFlash bingo card. Remarkable.

You can retire your character now because you've peaked. Unless of course you're going to repeat yourself about magic money trees for another 10,000 posts and bore everybody to death (as if it made sense the first time).

dundalkfc10

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Cullinane wants to ‘ break the state’ and professes support of a terrorist organisation.

Hardly the kind of guy you want, and more importantly the electorate want in charge.

I’m afraid the murky past of the line out who are the opposition tells us they have no chance of power.

Sure the bullhorn brigade, the support anything negative, the professional picketeers, the magic money tree mob, the ‘tax the rich crusties’ the blowhard priviliged will continue to pump out the negativity .

Those who get up early will blow these chancers out of the water at election time.

Lot of anger out there....

Just like the last election yeh?

Yurt2

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Just like the last election yeh?

Remember, Brendan is not an angry man. His hundreds of variations of the same post about crusties and magic money trees are actually expressions of his even-temperment and not deep seated fury about something or other.

Podge_irl

smurgen wrote: »

Just getting back on this. Seamus Woulfe saying he wasn't aware of the separation of powers or he wouldn't have attended.

Please tell me you don't actually believe he said that?

Brendan Bendar

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Just like the last election yeh?

Last election means nothing, effendi, it’s the next one that counts.

The ‘no names’ in the second tier of the opposition, the plods who patrol the means streets of the sink estates will never reach the sunlight of national politics.

They will always be grunts who have more interest in who won the ‘meat raffle’ in the local boozer or who needs to get their ‘dourrter’ on some scheme which has no outcome , not Trail Blazers on the national stage.


Hence the reason they couldn’t get next or near to forming a govt.

Depending on coins like RBB - Murphy- Brid Smith- Gino..... won’t get you anywhere sahib, it just doesn’t work like that.

dundalkfc10

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Last election means nothing, effendi, it’s the next one that counts.

The ‘no names’ in the second tier of the opposition, the plods who patrol the means streets of the sink estates will never reach the sunlight of national politics.

They will always be grunts who have more interest in who won the ‘meat raffle’ in the local boozer or who needs to get their ‘dourrter’ on some scheme which has no outcome , not Trail Blazers on the national stage.


Hence the reason they couldn’t get next or near to forming a govt.

Depending on coins like RBB - Murphy- Brid Smith- Gino..... won’t get you anywhere sahib, it just doesn’t work like that.

1. What the **** is an effendi?

2. Can you put that post in English or something that can be read by a normal person?

Yurt2

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Last election means nothing, effendi, it’s the next one that counts.

The ‘no names’ in the second tier of the opposition, the plods who patrol the means streets of the sink estates will never reach the sunlight of national politics.

They will always be grunts who have more interest in who won the ‘meat raffle’ in the local boozer or who needs to get their ‘dourrter’ on some scheme which has no outcome , not Trail Blazers on the national stage.


Hence the reason they couldn’t get next or near to forming a govt.

Depending on coins like RBB - Murphy- Brid Smith- Gino..... won’t get you anywhere sahib, it just doesn’t work like that.

Lol. Talk about flying off the handle. This is an unhinged post.