FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

blanch152 · 20-01-2021 5:09pm

Bowie wrote: »

That's not true. A spokesperson for Harris, quoting a known liar, Varadkar.
I think you are not understanding what it actually says in your haste to defend Varadkar.

Here we go:

So it's agreed Varadkar leaked a draft of the document, many claimed falsely was published, to his pal. A confidential negotiation document to the then head of a rival union to try score support/votes.
The only grey area is what version of the document Harris was looking for when Varadkar was leaking his copy.
I suppose trying to get some sort of a win, is still a win

You are spinning it again.

You are including some half-truths with some lies and creating a false extra narrative around it that doesn't exist.

McMurphy · 20-01-2021 5:11pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The bit in bold simply isn't true, as Harris himself is quoted as saying in the Irish Times!!!! Read to the end.

Where?.

Blanch, it looks to me like they are paraphrasing a "spokesperson" for Harris, and how what that spokesperson said then, and how in light of the FOI documents released, and seen by both the Shinners and the times, it looks like Harris lied too*.

*Harris Spokesperson lied.

James Brown · 20-01-2021 7:38pm

blanch152 wrote: »

You are spinning it again.

You are including some half-truths with some lies and creating a false extra narrative around it that doesn't exist.

Says the man claims a quote from a spokesperson of Harris', quoting a yarn from a liar, as "Harris himself is quoted...".

Glad in the least we are agreed Varadkar lied, leaked and FF/FG/Greens and yourself are okay with that.

satguy · 20-01-2021 9:59pm

This shows just FG & FF think alike.

Iconic Dublin pub to be demolished

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/pubs-ireland-donnybrook-dublin-property-19663193

Dublin City Council has given the green light to demolish the popular pub, Kiely’s in Donnybrook, to make way for a shared co-living accommodation scheme.

But just look at who spoke out about this development.

Lord Mayor of Dublin, Cllr Hazel Chu (Green Party), Chris Andrews TD (SF), Senator Ivana Bacik (Lab) and Cllr Dermot Lacey (Lab) have objected against the six-story plan.

While there nothing but silence from our big two parties. They all keep quiet, while their developer buddies and donors get rich.

Crooks, every last one of them.

20-01-2021 10:17pm

satguy wrote: »

This shows just FG & FF think alike.

Iconic Dublin pub to be demolished

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/pubs-ireland-donnybrook-dublin-property-19663193

Dublin City Council has given the green light to demolish the popular pub, Kiely’s in Donnybrook, to make way for a shared co-living accommodation scheme.

But just look at who spoke out about this development.

Lord Mayor of Dublin, Cllr Hazel Chu (Green Party), Chris Andrews TD (SF), Senator Ivana Bacik (Lab) and Cllr Dermot Lacey (Lab) have objected against the six-story plan.

While there nothing but silence from our big two parties. They all keep quiet, while their developer buddies and donors get rich.

Crooks, every last one of them.

But, but, but......the homeless crisis......

FrancieBrady · 20-01-2021 10:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

But, but, but......the homeless crisis......

...is not a charter for pariah developers and their yes men and women.

20-01-2021 10:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

...is not a charter for pariah developers and their yes men and women.

Sooooo. The homeless don’t matter. Right.

FrancieBrady · 20-01-2021 10:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sooooo. The homeless don’t matter. Right.

Who said that?

These guys aren't building to cure the homeless crisis, get a grip.

McMurphy · 20-01-2021 10:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sooooo. The homeless don’t matter. Right.

It's in the article.

Lord Mayor Chu argued that during a homelessness and housing crisis, "co-living is a dangerously complacent attempt to address the crisis in the capital’s rental market.”

She claimed that the plan to construct the scheme “is unduly hasty and poses serious health concerns” during a pandemic.

20-01-2021 10:29pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sooooo. The homeless don’t matter. Right.

evidently not....why did dublin homeless service,not get any extra assistance during recent cold snap

Will they next week,when there is another forecast?

20-01-2021 10:34pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who said that?

These guys aren't building to cure the homeless crisis, get a grip.

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

FrancieBrady · 20-01-2021 10:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

nonsense, You don't create problems to solve problems. The FG way

20-01-2021 10:37pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

Building what are effectively tenaments isnt an improvement.....its a backwards step

Can we not try and do things right in this country for once.....why do everything always have to be half-arsed here

McMurphy · 20-01-2021 10:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

That won't improve the housing stock.

Again, it's in the article.

They have also demanded that all rooms must have a minimum width of three metres.

The planner’s report said the three metres width condition "will, in all likelihood, involve a reduction in the number of rooms within the scheme which will reduce the number of residents sharing communal facilities.”

The Council stated that the developer’s proposed size of the shared living units was "restricted” and “failed to increase the width of the rooms to a level which is considered to provide a reasonable quality of residential amenity.”

20-01-2021 10:48pm

McMurphy wrote: »

That won't improve the housing stock.

Again, it's in the article.

Not everyone wants to live in a mansion. People have different needs at different times in their lives. Never say never. Open your mind to possibilities. I’ll bet that these properties will be filled in no time.

smurgen · 20-01-2021 11:19pm

Some day for FG.

Disgraced Seamus Woulfe's first Supreme Court listing revealed.
Madigan compared stand off with teacher union to Mother and Baby homes.
Revelation that Leo was leaking stuff he wouldn’t even show his own Minister for Health.
2500 new Covid cases and 61 deaths.

Not a normal party.

James Brown · 21-01-2021 12:29am

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

A return to tenements is not welcome.

blanch152 · 21-01-2021 1:19am

satguy wrote: »

This shows just FG & FF think alike.

Iconic Dublin pub to be demolished

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/pubs-ireland-donnybrook-dublin-property-19663193

Dublin City Council has given the green light to demolish the popular pub, Kiely’s in Donnybrook, to make way for a shared co-living accommodation scheme.

But just look at who spoke out about this development.

Lord Mayor of Dublin, Cllr Hazel Chu (Green Party), Chris Andrews TD (SF), Senator Ivana Bacik (Lab) and Cllr Dermot Lacey (Lab) have objected against the six-story plan.

While there nothing but silence from our big two parties. They all keep quiet, while their developer buddies and donors get rich.

Crooks, every last one of them.

Great to see housing being built.

James Brown · 21-01-2021 1:57am

blanch152 wrote: »

Great to see housing being built.

If a race to the bottom to make money off misery is housing.

Allowing profiteering off shared accommodation tenements will only mean more profits for less quality.
Lowering the bar for cronies.

markodaly · 21-01-2021 1:59am

blanch152 wrote: »

Great to see housing being built.

Agreed, but the misery merchants will try and pick holes at this housing plan, actually any housing plan.

They think unicorns and rainbows exist when it comes to housing, living in a fantasy wonderland most of them are.

James Brown · 21-01-2021 2:11am

markodaly wrote: »

Agreed, but the misery merchants will try and pick holes at this housing plan, actually any housing plan.

They think unicorns and rainbows exist when it comes to housing, living in a fantasy wonderland most of them are.

It's FF/FG offering 25 year leased luxury D4 apartments to people on low/no income.

These over priced tenements will merely mean a low quality of living for single low/no income people.

Anything above a cardboard box is technically better, if that's the goal.

markodaly · 21-01-2021 2:21am

Bowie wrote: »

It's FF/FG offering 25 year leased luxury D4 apartments to people on low/no income.

These over priced tenements will merely mean a low quality of living for single low/no income people.

Anything above a cardboard box is technically better, if that's the goal.

LOL

Cant even be consistent in the same post.

Topgear on Dave · 21-01-2021 2:32am

Bowie wrote:

It's FF/FG offering 25 year leased luxury D4 apartments to people on low/no income.
.

Hellish.

If they don't want one I'll take one :pac:

markodaly · 21-01-2021 2:36am

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Hellish.

If they don't want one I'll take one :pac:

No, you didn't hear him properly in the midst of his inane rant.

These are luxury low-cost D4 tenements..... makes sense right?

Fann Linn · 21-01-2021 9:35am

Golfgate investigation handed over to DPP. Hasn't gone away yet.

21-01-2021 10:07am

Bowie wrote: »

A return to tenements is not welcome.

A tenement was a rundown building with no sanitation, families living in one room.
These new buildings will be for single occupancy, similar to student accommodation, en-suite, communal living areas. About as far removed from tenements as you can get. Yes, they won’t suit everyone, but as a stepping stone for new graduates, first time workers, they will be perfect.

McMurphy · 21-01-2021 10:23am

markodaly wrote: »

No, you didn't hear him properly in the midst of his inane rant.

These are luxury low-cost D4 tenements..... makes sense right?

I think you need your sarcasm detector needs recalibrated mark.

21-01-2021 12:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you gauramtee there wont ever be families end up staying in these rooms.....looks like a thin edge of wedge by FFG to force the poor and those on HAP back into tenaments to me anyway

How about thinking positive.
You say Tenements.
I say a step up from student accommodation. It won’t suit everyone, but I’ll bet that there’ll be 100% occupancy as soon as they’re ready.

blanch152 · 21-01-2021 12:30pm

Bowie wrote: »

A return to tenements is not welcome.

They are far from tenements!! Hilarious.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 12:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

How about thinking positive.
You say Tenements.
I say a step up from student accommodation. It won’t suit everyone, but I’ll bet that there’ll be 100% occupancy as soon as they’re ready.

How about 'thinking' full stop?

Do not cause bigger problems and don't fall for people taking advantage for personal gain during a crisis.

FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

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