Woman and girl found alive after 15 hours in sea off coast

Snow Garden

Discodog wrote: »

You need to read back. I was replying to someone else when I spoke about exposure. But making assumptions about how long anyone would survive is pointless.

Most of the searchers, including me, thought we were on a recovery. Very few expected this outcome.

Fair enough. I actually felt they would be found alive on the north Clare coast at first light if they kept with the 2 boards. But I did get the sense from the search operations at 10am that it was a recovery. A few things were in their favour and they were smart. The currents between the islands can be wicked but the Olivers did some excellent calculations.

Discodog

Snow Garden wrote: »

Fair enough. I actually felt they would be found alive on the north Clare coast at first light if they kept with the 2 boards. But I did get the sense from the search operations at 10am that it was a recovery. A few things were in their favour and they were smart. The currents between the islands can be wicked but the Olivers did some excellent calculations.

My friend just looked at the wind direction & strength - he's a successful sailor. He would of been with them soon after the Olivers. If you take the wind direction then Inis/Doolin is in a straight line from Furbo. If they had a light they might of been rescued much earlier.

The Movie will be good. Everything is set up. Two girls, bikinis, a huge search, thunder storms etc.

Tell me how

Discodog wrote: »

My friend just looked at the wind direction & strength - he's a successful sailor. He would of been with them soon after the Olivers. If you take the wind direction then Inis/Doolin is in a straight line from Furbo. If they had a light they might of been rescued much earlier.

The Movie will be good. Everything is set up. Two girls, bikinis, a huge search, thunder storms etc.

With all due respect to you and your friend, but that is just hurling from the ditch at this point.

Do you think all the people involved in the rescue attempts were novices.

A plane was lost in asia 6 years ago and the bulk of it has never been found despite the best technology and experts on the planet looking for it.

These girls were within a few hundred metres of heading out on to the second biggest ocean on the planet and through their own calmness, the efforts of the guys who found them and a massive amount of good luck, they survived.

That's it. That's the story.

Water John

They kept the heads, and did everything right. Must have been a tough night, one can only emphatise, would any of us held it together so well?

bucketybuck

Discodog wrote: »

The Movie will be good. Everything is set up. Two girls, bikinis, a huge search, thunder storms etc.

And your "friend" as the real hero of the story no doubt.

Cheshire Cat

Discodog wrote: »

My friend just looked at the wind direction & strength - he's a successful sailor. He would of been with them soon after the Olivers. If you take the wind direction then Inis/Doolin is in a straight line from Furbo. If they had a light they might of been rescued much earlier.

The Movie will be good. Everything is set up. Two girls, bikinis, a huge search, thunder storms etc.

There might not be a movie, but I bet there will be an appearance in the Late Late Show.

Discodog

bucketybuck wrote: »

And your "friend" as the real hero of the story no doubt.

What a silly remark. :rolleyes:

Psychlops

Excellent account from members of Galway & Aran RNLI Lifeboats.


https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/rnli-rescue-paddle-boarders-galway-bay-5176759-Aug2020/

Psychiatric Patrick

Cheshire Cat wrote: »

There might not be a movie, but I bet there will be an appearance in the Late Late Show.

Why would you say something so horrible?

Imagine going through what they did only to have to actually suffer a horrific ordeal afterward

Psychiatric Patrick

Discodog wrote: »

The Movie will be good. Everything is set up. Two girls, bikinis, a huge search, thunder storms etc.

Adapted to be about two American college girls with events taking place on the on the coast of South America. The rescuer will just happen to be a hard drinking white Yank in self imposed exile.

Add in a genetically enhanced octopus that has escaped from a lab. Or jellyfish mutated by pollution if you want the story to have a “message”. Some threat is needed other than, like, the wind. :P

Psychiatric Patrick

Did the fishermen bring them back to land on the boat or is the protocol to call for the rescue helicopter?

Also I missed this in the reading earlier somehow.

Why were they not reported as missing until 10pm. I thought the family was at the beach with them? Had they gone in the water very late?

And they didn’t have wetsuits on? I had not even considered that they could have been in ordinary swimsuits. I doubt very much that I would have lasted even in a wetsuit. Fair play to them.

Storm 10

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Did the fishermen bring them back to land on the boat or is the protocol to call for the rescue helicopter?

Also I missed this in the reading earlier somehow.

Why were they not reported as missing until 10pm. I thought the family was at the beach with them? Had they gone in the water very late?

And they didn’t have wetsuits on? I had not even considered that they could have been in ordinary swimsuits. I doubt very much that I would have lasted even in a wetsuit. Fair play to them.

Taken to Inisheer where one of the search helicopters from Waterford Rescue 117 landed and their paramedic checked them out and they were airlifted to UHG

hamburgham

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Why were they not reported as missing until 10pm. I thought the family was at the beach with them? Had they gone in the water very late?


Yes, one of the mother's was watching them. Needless to say, she hasn't been giving any interviews.

Mrs OBumble

hamburgham wrote: »

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Why were they not reported as missing until 10pm. I thought the family was at the beach with them? Had they gone in the water very late?


Yes, one of the mother's was watching them. Needless to say, she hasn't been giving any interviews.

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They are young adults women, not "girls" as was first reported.

You would not expect mammy to be watching every move.

Water John

Thank goodness those who go rescue, whether RNLI, Coastguard or volunteers never pass judgement. Just go to help their fellow human beings and sometimes animals.

Storm 10

Water John wrote: »

Thank goodness those who go rescue, whether RNLI, Coastguard or volunteers never pass judgement. Just go to help their fellow human beings and sometimes animals.

Very true they just get on with it laying their lives on the line, I find it very upsetting reading some of the posts about why they did not find the Girls, sadly following an all day and night search for two missing brothers off the West Coast of the UK has now been stood down and they have not been found .it's the luck of the draw

Discodog

Storm 10 wrote: »

Very true they just get on with it laying their lives on the line, I find it very upsetting reading some of the posts about why they did not find the Girls, sadly following an all day and night search for two missing brothers off the West Coast of the UK has now been stood down and they have not been found .it's the luck of the draw

Every search & rescue operation should have a debrief. It's not upsetting to question, it's part of the process of making the services as good as possible. It shouldn't be viewed as criticism to ask questions. We all know the amazing work that these people do & they constantly train to get better. But as 116 proved, mistakes can happen & improvements can always be made.

Water John

Yes they debrief but it doesn't go on the internet. Debriefing the search and rescue teams is not about the circumstances that caused the specific search, in other words not about the people rescued.

Psychiatric Patrick

Storm 10 wrote: »

Taken to Inisheer where one of the search helicopters from Waterford Rescue 117 landed and their paramedic checked them out and they were airlifted to UHG

Thank you.

If it was an area that had no islands would the fisherman bring them to port ? Or would the helicopter airlift from the boat. Just curious about the policy.

Psychiatric Patrick

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

They are young adults women, not "girls" as was first reported.

You would not expect mammy to be watching every move.

I was not looking to "blame" anyone.

Just curious to know why it was 10pm before it was reported - had they gone into the water late in the evening or had the family come looking first.

Psychiatric Patrick

Storm 10 wrote: »

Very true they just get on with it laying their lives on the line, I find it very upsetting reading some of the posts about why they did not find the Girls, sadly following an all day and night search for two missing brothers off the West Coast of the UK has now been stood down and they have not been found .it's the luck of the draw

I chose to ignore those criticisms and the comments about "investigations".

Rescue workers risk their lives going out. I couldn't do it and I think those who criticise wouldn't...

medi_bai

Jaysis they're milking this... Whole family taking every chance possible to get up in front of the cameras.

They were found Thursday, and new articles still being printed yesterday, Jesus wept.

Also, why is the media only reporting how great it is that they were found? (Which it is btw.). Surely this should be an opportunity to remind people how in danger these women were, & how much the odds were stacked against them.

After the initial elation of them being found, the right points have not been raised.

Tell me how

medi_bai wrote: »

Also, why is the media only reporting how great it is that they were found? (Which it is btw.). Surely this should be an opportunity to remind people how in danger these women were, & how much the odds were stacked against them.

The second half of the second sentence is the answer to the question.

Why are they getting such coverage?

Because 2020 has been a sh*t year and understandably, right now, when a good news story comes out, people are all over it.

BorneTobyWilde

All we need now is for it to come out the paddled boarded to that buoy ten times before in trials runs.

Water John

medi_bai wrote: »

Jaysis they're milking this... Whole family taking every chance possible to get up in front of the cameras.

They were found Thursday, and new articles still being printed yesterday, Jesus wept.

Also, why is the media only reporting how great it is that they were found? (Which it is btw.). Surely this should be an opportunity to remind people how in danger these women were, & how much the odds were stacked against them.

After the initial elation of them being found, the right points have not been raised.

Total sh1t comment. I presume family did public interview to control the constant approaches by the media.
IWT the families should consider some counselling for both. Just to process what has happened to them in a controlled environment.

Wompa1

medi_bai wrote: »

Jaysis they're milking this... Whole family taking every chance possible to get up in front of the cameras.

They were found Thursday, and new articles still being printed yesterday, Jesus wept.

Also, why is the media only reporting how great it is that they were found? (Which it is btw.). Surely this should be an opportunity to remind people how in danger these women were, & how much the odds were stacked against them.

After the initial elation of them being found, the right points have not been raised.

FFS :rolleyes:

The fact stories go on for days here is a blessing. It's because we have feck all news worth reporting. If they are asked to go on the radio, why not go on?

Gerry Ryan died 10 years ago and he's still front page of some tabloids from time to time.

We live somewhere where a mattress getting dumped over a wall was covered on Galway Bay FM for 3 days. :pac:

medi_bai

Tell me how wrote: »

The second half of the second sentence is the answer to the question.

Why are they getting such coverage?

Because 2020 has been a sh*t year and understandably, right now, when a good news story comes out, people are all over it.

Water John wrote: »

Total sh1t comment. I presume family did public interview to control the constant approaches by the media.
IWT the families should consider some counselling for both. Just to process what has happened to them in a controlled environment.

Wompa1 wrote: »

FFS :rolleyes:

The fact stories go on for days here is a blessing. It's because we have feck all news worth reporting. If they are asked to go on the radio, why not go on?

Gerry Ryan died 10 years ago and he's still front page of some tabloids from time to time.

We live somewhere where a mattress getting dumped over a wall was covered on Galway Bay FM for 3 days. :pac:

I love how all of the responses only address the first part of my post, where I ask why they are so eager to be up in front of the camera's each & every time. And not on the soft reporting, that their actions could be viewed as a little silly, and that people should take care if engaging in similar.

Water John

Lets put it this way, They weren't reckless, simply initially made a simple error of judgement. But that's human nature and I won't be throwing stones.

Tell me how

medi_bai wrote: »

I love how all of the responses only address the first part of my post, where I ask why they are so eager to be up in front of the camera's each & every time. And not on the soft reporting, that their actions could be viewed as a little silly, and that people should take care if engaging in similar.

Using this rational no accident would ever happen.

They did take care, they had life jackets, they stayed together and they fixed themselves to an anchor point.

In future, thse girls will likely guarantee to bring a phone (which they usually did anyway) but broadcasting what was right about the story might mean that in future someone keeps a cool head in a similar situation. That's a better approach than being judgemental. In cases where people put themselves needlessly at risk, such as swimming during a weather red alert people here on in the media call that out appropriately.

That is not applicable here.

Cheshire Cat

Cheshire Cat wrote: »

There might not be a movie, but I bet there will be an appearance in the Late Late Show.

And my prediction is coming true:

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0903/1162934-tubridy-reveals-late-late-guests-for-first-show-back/

LostDuck

Ridiculous!

They did well handling the situation but is anyone going to challenge them about checking forecasts before going out to sea?

Tell me how

Cheshire Cat wrote: »

And my prediction is coming true:

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0903/1162934-tubridy-reveals-late-late-guests-for-first-show-back/

That was like predicting there'll be rain some time next week.

LostDuck wrote: »

Ridiculous!

They did well handling the situation but is anyone going to challenge them about checking forecasts before going out to sea?

What's the big deal, it's a good luck story. They aren't exactly falling off the trees at the moment.

LostDuck

Tell me how wrote: »

What's the big deal, it's a good luck story.

The deal is that next time Aldi/Lidl have inflatables on offer there'll be more entering the water when it looks flat calm. There's been no frank discussion about checking forecasts and not going in on inflatables with an offshore wind.

Seems like a missed opportunity to educate others, hopefully they deliver the message tomorrow night.

listermint

LostDuck wrote: »

The deal is that next time Aldi/Lidl have inflatables on offer there'll be more entering the water when it looks flat calm. There's been no frank discussion about checking forecasts and not going in on inflatables with an offshore wind.

Seems like a missed opportunity to educate others, hopefully they deliver the message tomorrow night.

So.

Your pre emting he interview before it even starts.


Can I get the lotto numbers , cheers

SeanF

So, perhaps this hasn't been discussed here... I genuinely don't understand how they ended up so far out to sea. The day they went out and the day they were rescued were dead calm everywhere, not a bit of wind anywhere.

This is August 14 at Lahinch:
http://lahinchsurfreport.magibiz.net/magico.asp?magpage=2&id=315374

This is August 15:
http://lahinchsurfreport.magibiz.net/magico.asp?magpage=2&id=315375

And from https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/daily-data, Athenry Aug 14-15 shows very little wind at any stage. I mean obviously they ended up 17 miles from home, but I don't understand how, given the conditions. And unless I'm mistaken, there was no wind forecasted at all for that night. They must have drifted with the natural ocean currents the whole time.

Jizique

SeanF wrote: »

So, perhaps this hasn't been discussed here... I genuinely don't understand how they ended up so far out to sea. The day they went out and the day they were rescued were dead calm everywhere, not a bit of wind anywhere.

This is August 14 at Lahinch:
http://lahinchsurfreport.magibiz.net/magico.asp?magpage=2&id=315374

This is August 15:
http://lahinchsurfreport.magibiz.net/magico.asp?magpage=2&id=315375

And from https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/daily-data, Athenry Aug 14-15 shows very little wind at any stage. I mean obviously they ended up 17 miles from home, but I don't understand how, given the conditions. And unless I'm mistaken, there was no wind forecasted at all for that night. They must have drifted with the natural ocean currents the whole time.

Wind was coming from the north east, and there were some very heavy squally thunderstorm around; I was on hols in the area at the time so I remember it

SeanF

Jizique wrote: »

Wind was coming from the north east, and there were some very heavy squally thunderstorm around; I was on hols in the area at the time so I remember it

I wasn't too far away in Clare the whole time, I honestly don't remember any bad weather that night. It was perfectly calm I thought, and there was no forecasted storms that I remember, plus it should show up on the historical data?

Sounds to me that that they went out quite late, then didn't have the strength or energy to get back to shore and drifted with the natural ocean currents all night.

Discodog

Jizique wrote: »

Wind was coming from the north east, and there were some very heavy squally thunderstorm around; I was on hols in the area at the time so I remember it

The North East wind combined with the sea breeze to give a really strong wind. It appeared really quickly. I walked at 7 & it was a gentle breeze, by 10 it was much stronger.

SeanF

Discodog wrote: »

The North East wind combined with the sea breeze to give a really strong wind. It appeared really quickly. I walked at 7 & it was a gentle breeze, by 10 it was much stronger.

Fair enough. That said, the https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/daily-data for 10pm Athenry shows 0 wind speed. As in, no wind.

Discodog

SeanF wrote: »

Fair enough. That said, the https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/daily-data for 10pm Athenry shows 0 wind speed. As in, no wind.

There was a thunder storm in Galway Bay during the night.

LostDuck

SeanF wrote: »

So, perhaps this hasn't been discussed here... I genuinely don't understand how they ended up so far out to sea. The day they went out and the day they were rescued were dead calm everywhere, not a bit of wind anywhere.

This is August 14 at Lahinch:
http://lahinchsurfreport.magibiz.net/magico.asp?magpage=2&id=315374

This is August 15:
http://lahinchsurfreport.magibiz.net/magico.asp?magpage=2&id=315375

And from https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/daily-data, Athenry Aug 14-15 shows very little wind at any stage. I mean obviously they ended up 17 miles from home, but I don't understand how, given the conditions. And unless I'm mistaken, there was no wind forecasted at all for that night. They must have drifted with the natural ocean currents the whole time.

You're looking at the wrong dates - they went in on 12th August. NE winds were forecast for that evening.

Storm 10

SeanF wrote: »

So, perhaps this hasn't been discussed here... I genuinely don't understand how they ended up so far out to sea. The day they went out and the day they were rescued were dead calm everywhere, not a bit of wind anywhere.

This is August 14 at Lahinch:
http://lahinchsurfreport.magibiz.net/magico.asp?magpage=2&id=315374

This is August 15:
http://lahinchsurfreport.magibiz.net/magico.asp?magpage=2&id=315375

And from https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/daily-data, Athenry Aug 14-15 shows very little wind at any stage. I mean obviously they ended up 17 miles from home, but I don't understand how, given the conditions. And unless I'm mistaken, there was no wind forecasted at all for that night. They must have drifted with the natural ocean currents the whole time.

Have a friend in the Lifeboats and the weather changed around midnight to windy conditions, torrential rain thunder and lightning and poor visibility, it happened on the 12th. not your dates. The Helicopter had to withdraw due to lightning strikes.

LostDuck

Not unexpectedly, forecast was for moderate NE winds that evening, getting stronger into Thursday with thunder and lightning.

Discodog

Storm 10 wrote: »

Have a friend in the Lifeboats and the weather changed around midnight to windy conditions, torrential rain thunder and lightning and poor visibility, it happened on the 12th. not your dates. The Helicopter had to withdraw due to lightning strikes.

The wind really picked up around 10pm when some of us started searching. The sea breeze was a big factor as it was in a Northerly direction & added to the wind.

mjp

I live locally in Spiddal and was pouring some crete that day. due to heat that day i had to water the concrete on hourly basis from 4 till 9pm to ensure it wouldnt crack and go off too quickly. There was a drastic change in wind and drop in temperature that evening between 6 and 7 clock and i could see it with power i had to use on water sprayer. I wouldnt notice it normally only that I was out so often that evening. I would regularly swim on beach evenings after work past few months but remember even commenting to my wife that evening how it changed all of a sudden in space of an hour.

Discodog

mjp wrote: »

I live locally in Spiddal and was pouring some crete that day. due to heat that day i had to water the concrete on hourly basis from 4 till 9pm to ensure it wouldnt crack and go off too quickly. There was a drastic change in wind and drop in temperature that evening between 6 and 7 clock and i could see it with power i had to use on water sprayer. I wouldnt notice it normally only that I was out so often that evening. I would regularly swim on beach evenings after work past few months but remember even commenting to my wife that evening how it changed all of a sudden in space of an hour.

I agree. It was like a switch. The high temperature made the sea breeze stronger.

Your Face

https://twitter.com/endacunningham/status/1308796161113849858?s=08

"Emergency services at the scene of this morning’s rescue of a man from the water at the Claddagh by none other than Patrick and Morgan Oliver, the father and son who rescued paddle boarders Sara Feeney and Ellen Glynn last month!!"

accensi0n

Those lads are fishing for likes.

JohnCleary

I notice that the RNLI had to make a point of changing their original statement to include the names of the rescuers. Amazing work, but names shouldn't matter. Be humble.

Ludikrus

JohnCleary wrote: »

I notice that the RNLI had to make a point of changing their original statement to include the names of the rescuers. Amazing work, but names shouldn't matter. Be humble.

Who's not being humble?