Predicted Grades Appeals

Mardy Bum

km79 wrote: »

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0059_2020.pdf


I think the latest Friday evening circular sums up this mess nicely
Click the link and be amazed at the ineptitude on display

Very informative. Would read again.

Leftwaffe

Ah that's unreal altogether.

km79

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Very informative. Would read again.

Given that they released it just before the weekend and have clocked off until Monday it probably won’t even be changed
It should be sent out to every parent in every school and every media outlet to show what we are dealing with
It’s bad enough that they even waited until the Friday evening before the results to release it

rainbowtrout

km79 wrote: »

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0059_2020.pdf


I think the latest Friday evening circular sums up this mess nicely
Click the link and be amazed at the ineptitude on display

I suppose you could say that the message is at least consistent if nothing else. :pac:

Mardy Bum

km79 wrote: »

Given that they released it just before the weekend and have clocked off until Monday it probably won’t even be changed
It should be sent out to every parent in every school and every media outlet to show what we are dealing with
It’s bad enough that they even waited until the Friday evening before the results to release it

I for one feel that the clarity evident in the document is a quality that has long been absent. It is a welcome circular.

RealJohn

Treppen wrote: »

Bit rough saying a teacher who has high expectations for their students is dishonest. The 17% of grades that the department wants to bump down... Is that really from 'dishonest' teachers?

No, I think it will be a minority (though not an inconsequentially small minority) who will have been dishonest. Mostly, it will just be teachers doing a bad job.
Not their* fault. They haven’t been trained for it and even if they had, many of them doing a bad job is inevitable, and the lack of any real oversight won’t have helped matters.
The fact that overall, there will have been inflation across the board does not mean that a lot of deserving students won’t miss out and that a lot of undeserving students won’t gain.

*To be clear, I am not excluding myself from this. It’s just as likely that I did a bad job as anyone else.

mirrorwall14

km79 wrote: »

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0059_2020.pdf


I think the latest Friday evening circular sums up this mess nicely
Click the link and be amazed at the ineptitude on display

Good lord that’s the actual document they uploaded??! I genuinely thought this was a joke this morning....

km79

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Good lord that’s the actual document they uploaded??! I genuinely thought this was a joke this morning....

That’s it
Still there
Sure it’s the weekend for them

Treppen

They should have put this at the bottom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfr64zoBTAQ

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Rickcirculard

Millionaire only not

RealJohn wrote: »

I think it has nothing to do with me. I’m a teacher. I don’t work for the CAO.

I asked for an opinion not ur hand in marriage

Alqua

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Good lord that’s the actual document they uploaded??! I genuinely thought this was a joke this morning....

I thought km had fooled us all nicely! Gobsmacked now.

km79

Alqua wrote: »

I thought km had fooled us all nicely! Gobsmacked now.

No it’s real
That’s it
Still there
Sure they don’t work weekends or holidays same as us .......

I must send it to our friendly education correspondents in the media

Mardy Bum

km79 wrote: »

Given that they released it just before the weekend and have clocked off until Monday it probably won’t even be changed
It should be sent out to every parent in every school and every media outlet to show what we are dealing with
It’s bad enough that they even waited until the Friday evening before the results to release it

Still up today. If a school did something like this it would be removed immediately regardless of the day of the week.

Treppen

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Still up today. If a school did something like this it would be removed immediately regardless of the day of the week.

The minions in the department are probably under strict instructions to upload an announcement every Friday, no matter what.

r93kaey5p2izun

km79 wrote: »

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0059_2020.pdf


I think the latest Friday evening circular sums up this mess nicely
Click the link and be amazed at the ineptitude on display

I had steeled myself for "what madcap u turn or ill conceived plan have they rushed out now?", but I was not prepared for that. Personally I think there is a hardcore troll in charge of DES circulars and press releases so I shouldn't be surprised.

km79

I see the LC exams “plan “ is nights and weekends ?
Where ?
Organized by whom ?
School staff are at breaking point already

RealJohn

km79 wrote: »

I see the LC exams “plan “ is nights and weekends ?
Where ?
Organized by whom ?
School staff are at breaking point already

They're relying on the fact that most students won't bother, as long as they get a college course they're satisfied with, or are happy with their pretend grades and go off to work.
If most students decided they were going to sit most of their exams, they'd cancel the exams again, because they wouldn't have the resources to hold them.

Mardy Bum

RealJohn wrote: »

They're relying on the fact that most students won't bother, as long as they get a college course they're satisfied with, or are happy with their pretend grades and go off to work.
If most students decided they were going to sit most of their exams, they'd cancel the exams again, because they wouldn't have the resources to hold them.

Some schools will have their best ever results this year whilst others may have lots of students who want to do the exam. I think the uptake for the exam will be disproportionate across the country.

RealJohn

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Some schools will have their best ever results this year whilst others may have lots of students who want to do the exam. I think the uptake for the exam will be disproportionate across the country.

I agree, but in the cold light of day, I think most students will opt not to sit the exams, even if they’re disappointed with their results, as long as they’ve been offered a college place they’re willing to try, or if they’re not going to college and their pretend grades are good enough for what the want (plc/army/Gardaí, etc).

rainbowtrout

RealJohn wrote: »

They're relying on the fact that most students won't bother, as long as they get a college course they're satisfied with, or are happy with their pretend grades and go off to work.
If most students decided they were going to sit most of their exams, they'd cancel the exams again, because they wouldn't have the resources to hold them.

Along with the 100% exam with no practical components except for a couple of exams, it’s just further discouragement

rainbowtrout

RealJohn wrote: »

I agree, but in the cold light of day, I think most students will opt not to sit the exams, even if they’re disappointed with their results, as long as they’ve been offered a college place they’re willing to try, or if they’re not going to college and their pretend grades are good enough for what the want (plc/army/Gardaí, etc).

With 83% of grades unchanged, and triple the number of H1s there isn’t too much for the vast majority of LCs to be disappointed about

Mardy Bum

rainbowtrout wrote: »

With 83% of grades unchanged, and triple the number of H1s there isn’t too much for the vast majority of LCs to be disappointed about

Points will rise. Not all courses will have increased places. There will be more random entries. Students will be disappointed.

deiseindublin

It will make it very difficult for LC 2021 if points rise this year and students defer or reapply for 2021 entr. It can't be a level playing field with inflated grades this year?

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

This is going to be a shitstorm for all parties.

Digs

deiseindublin wrote: »

It will make it very difficult for LC 2021 if points rise this year and students defer or reapply for 2021 entr. It can't be a level playing field with inflated grades this year?

Not to mention every pre 2020 LC student who has applied this year.

brighterspark

Preston Rotten Thunderstorm wrote: »

I had steeled myself for "what madcap u turn or ill conceived plan have they rushed out now?", but I was not prepared for that. Personally I think there is a hardcore troll in charge of DES circulars and press releases so I shouldn't be surprised.

Looks like circular has been updated !

mirrorwall14

16 page document, Irish first with information and procedures for schools that are relevant and needed for 9am tomorrow when they release the results. They are a thundering disgrace

brighterspark

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

16 page document, Irish first with information and procedures for schools that are relevant and needed for 9am tomorrow when they release the results. They are a thundering disgrace

Very useful to know schools can release students from class tomorrow (to free up staff to support exam students) on a Sunday night!

amacca

brighterspark wrote: »

Very useful to know schools can release students from class tomorrow (to free up staff to support exam students) on a Sunday night!

eh what?.......release existing students from class??

release them where? when? for how long? onto school grounds unsupervised (as the other teachers will be in their classes) or release them home ...so that the teacher can do what......high five the ones who got what they wanted and commiserate with those that didnt??

and schools find that out the sunday beforehand??

ffs how about whats done is done there is literally no need for the students to be on the school grounds tomorrow as they cant be congregating anyway (half the point of coming in)...and if there is a problem the teacher can do sweet f all about it anyway...all that can be appealed is the clerical side of things

joebloggs32

amacca wrote: »

eh what?.......release existing students from class??

release them where? when? for how long? onto school grounds unsupervised (as the other teachers will be in their classes) or release them home ...so that the teacher can do what......high five the ones who got what they wanted and commiserate with those that didnt??

and schools find that out the sunday beforehand??

ffs how about whats done is done there is literally no need for the students to be on the school grounds tomorrow as they cant be congregating anyway (half the point of coming in)...and if there is a problem the teacher can do sweet f all about it anyway...all that can be appealed is the clerical side of things

That was flagged in a letter sent out on Thursday by the TUI

"Schools have been advised to provide support to students in an appropriate way on the day, through enabling students to come to the school if they wish at a scheduled time, following COVID-19 and health and safety protocols, to meet with members of the Student Support Team such as Guidance Counsellors, Year Heads, Tutors and Chaplains. Schools will have the flexibility to ask some classes of current students not to attend school on that day to ensure adequate social distancing in schools."