Failte Ireland Chairman on Holiday in Italy

odyssey06

maestroamado wrote: »

I totally agree with you but its a guideline not a rule.
Guidelines are not enforceable.
Essential travel is what is being asked not demanded.
In this instance i am totally correct..
Government policy should not be guideline.
Loads of people are travelling which i do not agree with but i do not make the guidelines...
It wasn't mentioned on RTE news...

Unenforceable is neither here nor there - it's totally irrelevent to the debate and whether his position is tenable or not.
Following the bare letter of the law is not the standard someone in such a position should be held to - when it comes to continuing in that position.
No consequences as a private citizen attach to his conduct.
This is entirely about his professional corporate role.

He has a senior role in an organisation aimed at encouraging people to follow the guidelines.
He has damaged the brand of organisation by ignoring the guidelines.
He had to go.
His position was untenable.

An Ri rua

screamer wrote: »

He’s resigned.... Jesus most costly holiday he’ll ever take

I sincerely doubt that, based on his background.

maestroamado

You can have the system you suggest cannot exist and its happening all around us.
It happened in the meat factories last week and nothing happened.
It was reported in Temple Bar a couple of weeks and nothing happened.
It happened yesterday in Dame Street and nothing happened.
Moral athority, whats that?
I only seen one article about this resigination in print indo...

Though i do not agree i am happy he has resigned as going forward these will be required standards for all.
I hope i am right...

TaurenDruid

maestroamado wrote: »

You can have the system you suggest cannot exist and its happening all around us.
It happened in the meat factories last week and nothing happened.
It was reported in Temple Bar a couple of weeks and nothing happened.
It happened yesterday in Dame Street and nothing happened.
Moral athority, whats that?
I only seen one article about this resigination in print indo...

Though i do not agree i am happy he has resigned as going forward these will be required standards for all.
I hope i am right...

"It happened... nothing happened"

What? You're making no sense.

Are you talking about the Covid cases in the meat factories? Nothing happened? The factories were closed and there's now a lockdown in three counties! Nothing happened... :rolleyes:

What was reported in Temple Bar?

Dame Lane? Was covered in the media, the bar was castigated by the LVA and the media, don't think it's been open since, but Dame Lane has been a lot quieter.

"I only seen one article about this resigination in print indo..."

You bought all the newspapers, did you?

RTÉ, the Indo, the Irish Times, the Examiner, Newstalk, the Sun, the BBC... plenty of coverage.

maestroamado

You are talking absolute rubbish, the biggest incident that went wrong through covid is the meat industry and you say it did not happen.
Well it did and was well reported, the reason it happened is HSA not doing their job.
That's why this i think this incident be president for future leaders...

TaurenDruid

maestroamado wrote: »

You are talking absolute rubbish, the biggest incident that went wrong through covid is the meat industry and you say it did not happen.
Well it did and was well reported, the reason it happened is HSA not doing their job.
That's why this i think this incident be president for future leaders...

Lad, I take it reading is not your strongest ability?

I said right above that it happened, the plants were closed for most of last week, and there's a three-county lockdown still in place because of them. How did you get "did not happen" out of that?! :rolleyes:

maestroamado

Part of what you say is correct as i miread your post.
So its fixed great.
My princible point was that HSA not do job to monitor meat plants but its all grand now thankfully.
I would not like to be in the town where all of these people are sharing beds on different shifts.
I think i be safer in Italy.
I see one TD has came out saying Cawley did nothing wrong.
I don't think he from your area???

gnf_ireland

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would move that into any sphere now where the payees are funded from the Public Purse.

They cannot get away with telling us all what to do and doing the opposite whilst we are paying for them through our taxes.

But I reckon the die is cast now and hopefully no one in the public eye and being paid for by us will chance it now.

But we never know do we?

I think there is a fundamental difference between executives/senior managers and those who just work in the civil service.
A garda or nurse should not be penalised for going to a green country for their holidays, the same way as any other citizen.
But senior civil servants/public representatives and those in leadership roles in state bodies should have the common sense to understand that they have to stay on message with those who pay them.

It should be career damaging to go directly against what your employer says, when in a leadership role (unless it is in a whistleblower scenario). This should apply to public as well as private sector leaders. In this case, the person in question made the right decision to resign, but its too rare and hopefully will become more common !

Spanish Eyes

gnf_ireland wrote: »

In this case, the person in question made the right decision to resign, but its too rare and hopefully will become more common !

Totally agree with you, much as disagree with his travels, he just resigned, no worries.

But it is no skin of his nose either, I doubt he is reliant on this sinecure.

gnf_ireland

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Totally agree with you, much as disagree with his travels, he just resigned, no worries.

But it is no skin of his nose either, I doubt he is reliant on this sinecure.

I agree with you in that this is likely not to be his main source of income and therefore its much easier walk away. But at least it shows he recognised he was in the wrong, and went without the normal drama you see in these situations.

Whatever about his motives, and I expect is he just wanted to enjoy his holiday and not be plagued by reporters, he still done the right thing after he was caught. While I dont agree with what he did (given his position), his actions were swift and decisive.

Now, compare this to a scenario where a TD was caught double jobbing (and drawing two salaries and expenses) or another TD came back from Brussels to celebrate someone being elected leader and did not "restrict movements for 14 days" - the responses were very different. And I wont even mention an incident with a swing !

In my personal view, the leaders of our country are handsomely rewarded for their efforts and should be held to a higher account than the ordinary citizen. Its call leading by example, not a case of the rules are for the little people. If you don't want to be under that level of scrutiny in your life - come off the public purse and take a job in private industry !

Spanish Eyes

gnf_ireland wrote: »

I agree with you in that this is likely not to be his main source of income and therefore its much easier walk away. But at least it shows he recognised he was in the wrong, and went without the normal drama you see in these situations.

Whatever about his motives, and I expect is he just wanted to enjoy his holiday and not be plagued by reporters, he still done the right thing after he was caught. While I dont agree with what he did (given his position), his actions were swift and decisive.

Now, compare this to a scenario where a TD was caught double jobbing (and drawing two salaries and expenses) or another TD came back from Brussels to celebrate someone being elected leader and did not "restrict movements for 14 days" - the responses were very different. And I wont even mention an incident with a swing !

In my personal view, the leaders of our country are handsomely rewarded for their efforts and should be held to a higher account than the ordinary citizen. Its call leading by example, not a case of the rules are for the little people. If you don't want to be under that level of scrutiny in your life - come off the public purse and take a job in private industry !

Well said there. Full marks.

wandererz

Sometimes... one manages to get a head of industry or similar to agree to come on board and, for example, to direct the board and/or to avail of their experience.

They are paid a (relatively) meager salary to meet once a month or so and ensure that the board of directors meetings are going to account.

A company hopes for this experience, hopes it has the funds to pay for this experience, but by no means expects this to be the direction of the company.

That person sits on the boards of multiple companies in an advisory role.

Del.Monte

maestroamado wrote: »

I be surprised if Michael O'Leary hires idiots.
The agenda is i assume the truth of what Government policy really is.
There is very little comment on this today that i have seen.
Sorry there has being one who was against sacking...

He hired Barry Kenny from Irish Rail and he only lasted a few weeks before returning to his gold plated job in CIE. Not that BK is an idiot but an outrageous chancer who couldn't handle a real job after his nonsense one with Irish Rail.

maestroamado

wandererz wrote: »

Sometimes... one manages to get a head of industry or similar to agree to come on board and, for example, to direct the board and/or to avail of their experience.

They are paid a (relatively) meager salary to meet once a month or so and ensure that the board of directors meetings are going to account.

A company hopes for this experience, hopes it has the funds to pay for this experience, but by no means expects this to be the direction of the company.

That person sits on the boards of multiple companies in an advisory role.

This is exactly my view, because of his vast experience he be highly regarded by the board and ideal person to chair meetings as neutral chair the best way to do these things.
People of this caliber are hard to find as they usually to busy for this kinda stuff so be hard to replace...

jonnny68

someone please find out if any of our TD's have gone on any foreign holidays now that would just be absolutely brilliant.

i think at this stage people have had enough of this "staycation" runbish being forced on them and are just going abroad as they usually would and having a great holiday and coming back and telling their friends how much of a good time they had and the cost involved much lesss than staying here plus it was safe and controilled.

Snow Garden

gnf_ireland wrote: »

I agree with you in that this is likely not to be his main source of income and therefore its much easier walk away. But at least it shows he recognised he was in the wrong, and went without the normal drama you see in these situations.

Whatever about his motives, and I expect is he just wanted to enjoy his holiday and not be plagued by reporters, he still done the right thing after he was caught. While I dont agree with what he did (given his position), his actions were swift and decisive.

Now, compare this to a scenario where a TD was caught double jobbing (and drawing two salaries and expenses) or another TD came back from Brussels to celebrate someone being elected leader and did not "restrict movements for 14 days" - the responses were very different. And I wont even mention an incident with a swing !

In my personal view, the leaders of our country are handsomely rewarded for their efforts and should be held to a higher account than the ordinary citizen. Its call leading by example, not a case of the rules are for the little people. If you don't want to be under that level of scrutiny in your life - come off the public purse and take a job in private industry !

Great post. Some people like to tip the cap to these leaders no matter what they do.

Del.Monte

jonnny68 wrote: »

someone please find out if any of our TD's have gone on any foreign holidays now that would just be absolutely brilliant.

i think at this stage people have had enough of this "staycation" runbish being forced on them and are just going abroad as they usually would and having a great holiday and coming back and telling their friends how much of a good time they had and the cost involved much lesss than staying here plus it was safe and controilled.

You have obviously researched this thoroughly but traffic through Dublin Airport would indicate that you're posting nonsense. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/is-foreign-travel-during-a-pandemic-antisocial-behaviour-1.4316051

jonnny68

Del.Monte wrote: »

You have obviously researched this thoroughly but traffic through Dublin Airport would indicate that you're posting nonsense. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/is-foreign-travel-during-a-pandemic-antisocial-behaviour-1.4316051

is that right, i was on a flight a few days ago from Dublin airport and it was three quatrters FULL.. and the departures was much busier than when i flew in June, so ill take real life experience over some article, no doubts there arent as many travelling but there are subsantially more travelling now than in June, fact.

Nigel Fairservice

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would move that into any sphere now where the payees are funded from the Public Purse.

They cannot get away with telling us all what to do and doing the opposite whilst we are paying for them through our taxes.

But I reckon the die is cast now and hopefully no one in the public eye and being paid for by us will chance it now.

But we never know do we?

How would you draw a line on this in respect of people in receipt of public monies?

Should any teachers, doctors, nurses, gardaí and civil servants who travelled abroad be expected to resign or go without money?

DEASP stopped payments to some of those in receipt of the PUP who travelled abroad. The newspapers were outraged about that too and DEASP did a u-turn on it saying people could travel without losing the PUP.

You couldn't treat one group more favourably than the other when it comes to travel.

I wouldn't travel abroad at the moment.

Tenzor07

jonnny68 wrote: »

someone please find out if any of our TD's have gone on any foreign holidays now that would just be absolutely brilliant.
I think at this stage people have had enough of this "staycation" runbish being forced on them and are just going abroad as they usually would and having a great holiday and coming back and telling their friends how much of a good time they had and the cost involved much lesss than staying here plus it was safe and controilled.

I wouldn't put it past a lot of our politicians to be jetting off to their holiday homes in Italy, Spain or France.... they wouldn't be herded onto a dirty Ryanair either, they'd go through the private jet check in and be whisked away in comfort and privacy....

The Staycation thing is a bit like being told to go buy a Penny's shirt and go around pretending it's a Charvet shirt from Paris....

CrankyHaus

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I wouldn't put it past a lot of our politicians to be jetting off to their holiday homes in Italy, Spain or France.... they wouldn't be herded onto a dirty Ryanair either, they'd go through the private jet check in and be whisked away in comfort and privacy....

The Staycation thing is a bit like being told to go buy a Penny's shirt and go around pretending it's a Charvet shirt from Paris....

How many of our politicians do you think would be paying for a private jet?



How many of them would get away with it before someone leaked it for the craic?

jonnny68

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I wouldn't put it past a lot of our politicians to be jetting off to their holiday homes in Italy, Spain or France.... they wouldn't be herded onto a dirty Ryanair either, they'd go through the private jet check in and be whisked away in comfort and privacy....

The Staycation thing is a bit like being told to go buy a Penny's shirt and go around pretending it's a Charvet shirt from Paris....

yep id well believe it too.

Even the word staycation is very American whoever came up with that needs shooting, i think at this stage many more are sick of this staycation crap, and are just heading away on holidays as normal, but the amount of people who still believe the tripe from the Government/NPHET about foreign travel is tragic really, people actually think it's dangerous to get on a plane when it's anything but, i pointed out to some that if flying is dangerous where are all the clusters of airline staff and passengers,they couldnt answer me!!

I've been on a few flights the last few months and one in particular was almost full but everyone had a mask and there was minimal inflight service and hardly anyone moving about, even when we disembarked it was row by row and you just sat in your seat until it was your row to disembark, compare this to a train i was on a few weeks ago Dublin Connolly to Sligo, the train was overbooked, no available seats and people standing around by the doors and toilets and moving about, i emailed Irish Rail about this to ask why they let so many on but all i got was an automated email response.

jonnny68

CrankyHaus wrote: »

How many of our politicians do you think would be paying for a private jet?



How many of them would get away with it before someone leaked it for the craic?

well they earn enough so i wouldnt be one bit surprised.

ohhh i dearly hope some TD is stung away on holidays, even better if FFG :pac:

Pawwed Rig

nthclare wrote: »

Ironically he did nothing wrong, I suppose if he was the head of a vegan organisation and caught wearing doc marten's the cnuts would hang him with his own laces.

Sad fcking world we're living in that's for sure...

You're all ****ing children begrudging a guy a holiday.

Like children playing dot to dot...

Mod note no need for that. Tone it down a bit

silver2020

jonnny68 wrote: »

someone please find out if any of our TD's have gone on any foreign holidays now that would just be absolutely brilliant.

i think at this stage people have had enough of this "staycation" runbish being forced on them and are just going abroad as they usually would and having a great holiday and coming back and telling their friends how much of a good time they had and the cost involved much lesss than staying here plus it was safe and controilled.

You can be absolutely 100% certain that the second rate gutter press journalists have checked the moves of every TD, Senator & Councillor.

Though I know of two journalists that are currently abroad enjoying Italian sunshine. One works for a certain national daily paper that also publishes on a Sunday.

silver2020

Del.Monte wrote: »

You have obviously researched this thoroughly but traffic through Dublin Airport would indicate that you're posting nonsense. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/is-foreign-travel-during-a-pandemic-antisocial-behaviour-1.4316051

That article is 3 weeks old and based on even older information.

Here's the live departure list

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-departures

Ryanair has also reported strong figures.

Remember, as masks have to worn onboard and modern air filters giving medical grade atmosphere within an aircraft, it is a relatively safe place to be.

jonnny68

silver2020 wrote: »

You can be absolutely 100% certain that the second rate gutter press journalists have checked the moves of every TD, Senator & Councillor.

Though I know of two journalists that are currently abroad enjoying Italian sunshine. One works for a certain national daily paper that also publishes on a Sunday.

who is it, pm if you dont want to say it publically