Northern Ireland- a failure 99 years on?

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

You did not provide any source other than a post on Twitter. Is that the level we are operating at. I guess you’ve had a look and realise the twitter posters is at his work

So it is up to to you to refute it.

You haven't I noticed.

Junkyard Tom

downcow wrote: »

Tom you are in fantasyland again. The whole world except our Tom and Francie et al recognise an international border between Dundalk and Newry

You talk about closing the border as if it is some sort of wall. The British Army couldn't close the border when they had thousands manning its crossings yet you fantasise about it in the 21st Century. Here's an area of the no-border you propose to close:



Oh, and in case you didn't notice, there's a big natural border in the form of a body-of-water between Britain and Ireland known as the the 'Irish Sea', it looks like this:

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You talk about closing the border as if it is some sort of wall. The British Army couldn't close the border when they had thousands manning its crossings yet you fantasise about it in the 21st Century. Here's an area of the no-border you propose to close:



Oh, and in case you didn't notice, there's a big natural border in the form of a body-of-water between Britain and Ireland known as the the 'Irish Sea', it looks like this:

Tom. You are simply deflecting from the issue. It is the same for both communities. Each has a border they don’t want to interrupt for political cultural etc reasons. Force is not the only way to decrease traffic. A simple statement from Roi government asking people to not cross the border between ni and Roi unless essential. But we all know they wouldn’t dare say it.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Tom. You are simply deflecting from the issue. It is the same for both communities. Each has a border they don’t want to interrupt for political cultural etc reasons. Force is not the only way to decrease traffic. A simple statement from Roi government asking people to not cross the border between ni and Roi unless essential. But we all know they wouldn’t dare say it.

Bull**** again.

Here are health officials and the Taoiseach saying it in September as they did throughout the crisis.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/people-asked-not-to-cross-border-as-donegal-prepares-for-level-3-restrictions-1.4364378

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bull**** again.

Here are health officials and the Taoiseach saying it in September as they did throughout the crisis.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/people-asked-not-to-cross-border-as-donegal-prepares-for-level-3-restrictions-1.4364378

Bull**** you.
That’s the medical officers followed by some words from your prime minister saying basically the same as Arlene is saying today about minimising travel from gb and ni.
You are just confirming the similarity

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Bull**** you.
That’s the medical officers followed by some words from your prime minister saying basically the same as Arlene is saying today about minimising travel from gb and ni.
You are just confirming the similarity

The Medical Officers are part of the government. They are an agency of the government, they work for the government.

Doesn't excuse the DUP anyhow. The idea that they would endanger their own because of some slight felt about a political defeat is bizarre.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Medical Officers are part of the government. They are an agency of the government, they work for the government.

Doesn't excuse the DUP anyhow. The idea that they would endanger their own because of some slight felt about a political defeat is bizarre.

How bizarre. That both governments do it

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

How bizarre. That both governments do it

That doesn't excuse either.

blanch152

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You talk about closing the border as if it is some sort of wall. The British Army couldn't close the border when they had thousands manning its crossings yet you fantasise about it in the 21st Century. Here's an area of the no-border you propose to close:



Oh, and in case you didn't notice, there's a big natural border in the form of a body-of-water between Britain and Ireland known as the the 'Irish Sea', it looks like this:

The problem is that the sh!tshow that SF and the DUP have made of governing the North has meant that to protect people closing the sea border isn’t enough. The virus is overwhelming Northern Ireland thanks to the incompetence of the NI Executive, including SF ministers, and has spread into the South as a result.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The problem is that the sh!tshow that SF and the DUP have made of governing the North has meant that to protect people closing the sea border isn’t enough. The virus is overwhelming Northern Ireland thanks to the incompetence of the NI Executive, including SF ministers, and has spread into the South as a result.

Correct. It has failed and is now a threat to the rest of the island in a time of crisis.

RandomViewer

downcow wrote: »

I understand there are at least 3 parties opposed to a all island approach

Does the TUV still qualify as a party? Though Jim Allister was Stephen Nolans bitch full time now?

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Up to you to prove the source I provided wrong downcow.
Your friend of a friend of a second cousin telling you something isn't worth a hill of beans.

So Francie. Let’s see if you can man up and accept your information was nonsense and mine was 100% correct.
Some times you can duck and dive but this is fairly black and white

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55406075

downcow

downcow wrote: »

I understand there are at least 3 parties opposed to a all island approach

I took a wee bit of abuse again on here implying this was not true or that I was including jim alllister as one of the parties. Here is the evidence out now.
You guys should take a look at who is feeding you your current news, not to mention your history
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55406075

downcow

RandomViewer wrote: »

Does the TUV still qualify as a party? Though Jim Allister was Stephen Nolans bitch full time now?

I was not referring to tuv. alliance was the third party.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55406075

smurgen

The DUP going against this travel ban in the midst of covid for so little in return has to be one of the worst bits of political arithmetic I've seen. The health system has collapsed already. I feel very sorry for ordinary people up there. The future is bleak and to add further misery to it it's most likely going to be a no deal Brexit now.

downcow

smurgen wrote: »

The DUP going against this travel ban in the midst of covid for so little in return has to be one of the worst bits of political arithmetic I've seen. The health system has collapsed already. I feel very sorry for ordinary people up there. The future is bleak and to add further misery to it it's most likely going to be a no deal Brexit now.

I have to pinch myself sometimes at the bigotry of the narrative regularly peddled on here.
So we have all the unionist parties and the cross community alliance opposing a travel ban, while we have one extreme Republican Party ‘dismayed’ that there is no ban. And you suggest the dup is out of step.
I can’t stand the dup but cross community decisions that are taken in ni are so often painted as dup decisions as a way of undermining decisions republicans don’t like.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

So Francie. Let’s see if you can man up and accept your information was nonsense and mine was 100% correct.
Some times you can duck and dive but this is fairly black and white

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55406075

On the night that I posted that 'information' and tweet this was what was being reported.


https://twitter.com/Tupp_Ed/status/1340929353803304960

The difference between us is I back up what I say, and linked to the tweet perhaps if you did that occasionally you might have some credibility.

jm08

downcow wrote: »

I have to pinch myself sometimes at the bigotry of the narrative regularly peddled on here.
So we have all the unionist parties and the cross community alliance opposing a travel ban, while we have one extreme Republican Party ‘dismayed’ that there is no ban. And you suggest the dup is out of step.
I can’t stand the dup but cross community decisions that are taken in ni are so often painted as dup decisions as a way of undermining decisions republicans don’t like.

From what was said on RTE yesterday, Robin Swann was seeking legal advice on the ban. Swann was also complaining about the Republic banning flights into Dublin from UK without consulting the NI executive (because it put a lot more pressure on Belfast Airport).



If you read the BBC report linked above, it seems it was down to economics - airlines and ferries would suffer a financial loss. Other issues were that this new strain was already in NI and probably also in ROI so shutting down was too late anyway.


By asking that people not to travel suggests that the Executive were afraid to impose a ban because of potential legal action by airlines and ferries.

grayzer75

jm08 wrote: »

From what was said on RTE yesterday, Robin Swann was seeking legal advice on the ban. Swann was also complaining about the Republic banning flights into Dublin from UK without consulting the NI executive (because it put a lot more pressure on Belfast Airport).



If you read the BBC report linked above, it seems it was down to economics - airlines and ferries would suffer a financial loss. Other issues were that this new strain was already in NI and probably also in ROI so shutting down was too late anyway.


By asking that people not to travel suggests that the Executive were afraid to impose a ban because of potential legal action by airlines and ferries.

Not surprised the DUP don't won't the airports shut......
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/airport-donated-4000-to-ian-paisleys-constituency-association-36961086.html

downcow

jm08 wrote: »

From what was said on RTE yesterday, Robin Swann was seeking legal advice on the ban. Swann was also complaining about the Republic banning flights into Dublin from UK without consulting the NI executive (because it put a lot more pressure on Belfast Airport).



If you read the BBC report linked above, it seems it was down to economics - airlines and ferries would suffer a financial loss. Other issues were that this new strain was already in NI and probably also in ROI so shutting down was too late anyway.


By asking that people not to travel suggests that the Executive were afraid to impose a ban because of potential legal action by airlines and ferries.

Thank you JM08. francie is so disingenuous he is still trying to claim his twitter friend is a beeter source than bbc

downcow

grayzer75 wrote: »

Not surprised the DUP don't won't the airports shut......
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/airport-donated-4000-to-ian-paisleys-constituency-association-36961086.html

........and so it continues!

did Naomi Long also get a gift from the airport?

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Thank you JM08. francie is so disingenuous he is still trying to claim his twitter friend is a beeter source than bbc

You presented NO source at the time.

It was reported by the BBC too that the 'DUP' was against a travel ban. Read the relevant entries here
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-northern-ireland-55393060/page/3

The Alliance are not against (so they say) a travel ban either. But didn't manage to vote for the SF motion...one wonders why.

BonnieSituation

What's the argument about now?

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

........and so it continues!

did Naomi Long also get a gift from the airport?

The Alliance support a travel ban but voted against the SF motion. Bizarre position? Yep.

jm08

downcow wrote: »

........and so it continues!

did Naomi Long also get a gift from the airport?

Whatever she did, she is getting a hammering on twitter for it. People don't understand how 40 countries, presumably on scientific advice, have banned fights from the UK. NI scientists seem to be out on their own on this one.



Can you explain how Wales and Scotland can impose a ban and NI won't?

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You presented NO source at the time.

It was reported by the BBC too that the 'DUP' was against a travel ban. Read the relevant entries here
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-northern-ireland-55393060/page/3

The Alliance are not against (so they say) a travel ban either. But didn't manage to vote for the SF motion...one wonders why.

This is a classic of how Francie interprets history, whether is a few hours old or a few centuries old.
Tbh it’s not even worth replying to as the evidence I have already presented is rock solid.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

This is a classic of how Francie interprets history, whether is a few hours old or a few centuries old.
Tbh it’s not even worth replying to as the evidence I have already presented is rock solid.

You PRESENTED nothing at the time..just your opinion.

That you guessed that Unionism would circle the wagons again, is no big achievement. If I was asked on Sunday how I thought Unionism would vote on Monday night, I would have guessed just like you did.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You PRESENTED nothing at the time..just your opinion.

That you guessed that Unionism would circle the wagons again, is no big achievement. If I was asked on Sunday how I thought Unionism would vote on Monday night, I would have guessed just like you did.

Francie. It’s wearing a bit thin now. Anyone can scroll back and see you said ththat dup were only party of 4 who opposed a FB travel ban

Patent nonsense

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You presented NO source at the time.

It was reported by the BBC too that the 'DUP' was against a travel ban. Read the relevant entries here
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-northern-ireland-55393060/page/3

The Alliance are not against (so they say) a travel ban either. But didn't manage to vote for the SF motion...one wonders why.

Fairly simple, it shows once again the inability of Sinn Fein to bring people with them even when those people agree with what Sinn Fein is trying to do.

A lack of leadership, a lack of empathy, unbridled arrogance, whatever it is, Sinn Fein constantly run into this problem.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Francie. It’s wearing a bit thin now. Anyone can scroll back and see you said ththat dup were only party of 4 who opposed a FB travel ban

Patent nonsense

And I gave the source of that information. Which was what was emerging from the meeting. The Alliance were for a travel ban on Sunday night downcow.

YOU gave NOTHING to back up what you guessed. An educated 'guess' (we all could have made to be fair) because you knew that Unionists would NEVER vote for this.

Simple.