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Northern Ireland- a failure 99 years on?

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    #2252
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    jm08 wrote: »
    ....saying that unionists need psychiatric help to realise that they are Irish is probably offensive to unionists, its not sectarian.

    Oh deary me. Embarrassing but enlightening


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    #2253
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    None of The Cairo Gang were from your 'wee country' downcow.

    We can add geography, and history to the economy another examples of failure in the last century I guess.

    The engagement on this matter has been disgraceful.

    After certain posters didn't condemn the killing at a football match of innocent match goers and indeed a player, that should have been the end of the discussion. There's no point Francie. Don't bother.


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    #2254
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Necro wrote: »
    Gerry Adams was a priest now?

    Not a fair comparison to the Reverend Paisley tbh.

    I was responding to his direct question.

    Paisley like Adams was relevant in Northern Ireland due to his involvement in politics and potentially other dodgy stuff.
    They were both practised their religions but neither were very relevant or had many followers religiously


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    #2255
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    We can add geography, and history to the economy another examples of failure in the last century I guess.

    The engagement on this matter has been disgraceful.

    After certain posters didn't condemn the killing at a football match of innocent match goers and indeed a player, that should have been the end of the discussion. There's no point Francie. Don't bother.

    Bonnie don’t be appealing to Francie now on this. You guys attended different schools and are diametrically opposed on this issue.
    He has accepted a link between the killings and you have stated that there was absolutely no link.

    I’d love you two guys to have the balls to debate that publicly here for us. There would be real learning in that for me and I’d be honoured for you to let me watch.

    I have just publicly disagreed with Lucy. Do you guy have the balls. I doubt it


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    #2256
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    downcow wrote: »
    I was responding to his direct question.

    Paisley like Adams was relevant in Northern Ireland due to his involvement in politics and potentially other dodgy stuff.
    They were both practised their religions but neither were very relevant or had many followers religiously


    Adams didn't have a pulpit. He was banned from the airwaves up to the 1990s, so no, he couldn't have been preaching hate.


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    #2257
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    jm08 wrote: »
    Adams didn't have a pulpit. He was banned from the airwaves up to the 1990s, so no, he couldn't have been preaching hate.

    Something else that it suits people to distort. At its peak the Free Presbyterian C of Ulster had less than 0.5% of the population as members. You would think they way it is often reported that it was somehow A major denomination


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    #2258
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,185 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcow wrote: »
    Francie is correct and the UN have made a mistake drawing the international borders ��

    Nothing you have linked to or said will ever change the fact that the Cairo Gang were NOT from your country downcow.

    The people shot dead in Croke Park were most definitely from the country you and I call home - Ireland.


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    #2259
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,185 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcow wrote: »
    Something else that it suits people to distort. At its peak the Free Presbyterian C of Ulster had less than 0.5% of the population as members. You would think they way it is often reported that it was somehow A major denomination

    Was Ian not a 'church leader' then?


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    #2260
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Was Ian not a 'church leader' then?

    Was it a real church though or similar to his "PhD"? I wouldn't know much about the religion but can't anyone become a pastor and therefore a "church leader"?


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    #2261
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,185 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    Was it a real church though or similar to his "PhD"? I wouldn't know much about the religion but can't anyone become a pastor and therefore a "church leader"?

    What's a 'real' church?

    His 'church building' here in County Monaghan was as real as the RC or COI one. As were the ones across the north.


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    #2262
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What's a 'real' church?

    His 'church building' here in County Monaghan was as real as the RC or COI one. As were the ones across the north.

    Was his church part of a wider organisation? It was my impression he was the self appointed leader of an organisation he created.


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    #2263
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    jh79 wrote: »
    Was his church part of a wider organisation? It was my impression he was the self appointed leader of an organisation he created.

    He coulda put it to a vote like Jesus did. 11-1 majority that was I think.


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    #2264
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,185 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    Was his church part of a wider organisation? It was my impression he was the self appointed leader of an organisation he created.

    What has that got to do with anything?


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    #2265
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything?

    Same as anything has to do with anything on here.

    Note how the conversation has changed from our resident bigots condoning the killing at a football match of innocent people to one about how much of a religion is Free Presbyterianism.


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    #2266
    vriesmays
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Northern Ireland don't have Stephen Kenny for their football manager.


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    #2267
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    vriesmays wrote: »
    Northern Ireland don't have Stephen Kenny for their football manager.

    Such a hot take. Did you get the warm fuzzies typing that incisive piece of commentary?

    You must be all chuffed with yourself.


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    #2268
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything?

    Nothing really. Just didn't think outside of its own membership it was considered a real church.


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    #2269
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    We can add geography, and history to the economy another examples of failure in the last century I guess.

    The engagement on this matter has been disgraceful.

    After certain posters didn't condemn the killing at a football match of innocent match goers and indeed a player, that should have been the end of the discussion. There's no point Francie. Don't bother.

    You need to change the record bonnie,you`re still churning out the same verbal diarrhea from last year-do you condemn all killings that happened that day?


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    #2270
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    You need to change the record bonnie,you`re still churning out the same verbal diarrhea from last year-do you condemn all killings that happened that day?

    Oh look, it's the guy who justified Bloody Sunday in Derry.

    Sham.


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    #2271
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Oh look, it's the guy who justified Bloody Sunday in Derry.

    Sham.

    So no answer to my question bonnie?Now why isn't that a surprise..


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    #2272
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    If you weren't such a disingenuous poster you'd be funny.


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    #2273
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    If you weren't such a disingenuous poster you'd be funny.

    Caught you out dead to rights so squirm and insult as much as you like, its plain for all to see by your refusal to answer a simple question.


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    #2274
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Caught you out dead to rights so squirm and insult as much as you like, its plain for all to see by your refusal to answer a simple question.

    You think I'm squirming? Busy day in Ulster and Munster football being had here.

    You're one of the worst posters I've ever come across on this entire board. Uninformed, biased and devoid of self awareness. I would say I have zero respect for you but that would be too much.

    I have no interest in any demands or questions you have. The state of it.


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    #2275
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    The British left India and many other colonies why did they not leave Ireland altogether rather than still holding onto a quarter of it ??
    We should have all stayed under british rule or had a United ireland not the fudge it ended up .


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    #2276
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    The British left India and many other colonies why did they not leave Ireland altogether rather than still holding onto a quarter of it ??
    We should have all stayed under british rule or had a United ireland not the fudge it ended up .

    Formation of Pakistan occured after they left India. Another fcuk up.


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    #2277
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    The British left India and many other colonies why did they not leave Ireland altogether rather than still holding onto a quarter of it ??
    We should have all stayed under british rule or had a United ireland not the fudge it ended up .

    Do you think Irish people should have left the USA, Canada and Australia?
    It’s a bit simplistic to say we should leave.

    And Britain didn’t want to hold on to it. Th truth is that the majority of residents of ni wanted to remain in Britain. Very different from India etc


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    #2278
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    The British left India and many other colonies why did they not leave Ireland altogether rather than still holding onto a quarter of it ??
    We should have all stayed under british rule or had a United ireland not the fudge it ended up .

    That is maybe one of the big successes of ni. It didn’t chuck out the people who had been there for 400 years and some for 1,000 plus. Even though republicans in Roi would like them to have been chucked out


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    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    downcow wrote: »
    That is maybe one of the big successes of ni. It didn’t chuck out the people who had been there for 400 years and some for 1,000 plus. Even though republicans in Roi would like them to have been chucked out


    No. They only tried to burn the nationalists/Catholics out of NI.


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    #2280
    Hqrry113
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    downcow wrote: »
    Do you think Irish people should have left the USA, Canada and Australia?
    It’s a bit simplistic to say we should leave.

    And Britain didn’t want to hold on to it. Th truth is that the majority of residents of ni wanted to remain in Britain. Very different from India etc

    Again you need to educate yourself on what people mean when they say the British should leave.

    I'm sure you already know what it means but you're being purposefully ignorant.


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    #2281
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Hqrry113 wrote: »
    Again you need to educate yourself on what people mean when they say the British should leave.

    I'm sure you already know what it means but you're being purposefully ignorant.

    Downcow is British so why should he leave just because Ireland left?


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