north/south co.Dublin farmers?

Base price

NcdJd wrote: »

Cloghran stud. What's left of it the DAA have it. It's in absolute ****. Would have been the equivelant of Coolmore stud back in the day. Covered well over 1000 acres had 4 main yards, 3 of the yards have still got remnants of the buildings - stables and haysheds.

Absolute disgrace. You see bloodlines to race horses going back to this stud farm today still from every corner of the globe.

https://youtu.be/4H0JvA3EB5g

Bobby Savage had a painting in the window of his bookie shop on the main st in Swords. It showed 6 mares who were dams of Derby winners that were sent to Blandford who was standing in Cloughran Stud.

Ko Chow

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Barley was grown on farmland at the Collins avenue Drumcondra /N1 road junction in Whitehall up to about 25 years ago.

Still looks to be something going on there to the south of Iveragh Road, at the backs of Plunkett College and St Aidan's. Would that be remnants of Albert College merged into DCU activity?

Say my name

Base price wrote: »

Bobby Savage had a painting in the window of his bookie shop on the main st in Swords. It showed 6 mares who were dams of Derby winners that were sent to Blandford who was standing in Cloughran Stud.

Is that a foaling house in the left hand back?
Looks like a house with no corners?

I heard it said that there was a stud farm where the horses had to have vision of the stars at night.
There's windows in the roof of that building too.
The same stud where people spoke of these intricacies was able to back it up with results so I'm told.

Base price

Listening back to the Sunday Miscellany piece reminded me of a story my late father in law told me. Many years ago when he was a young man he had to replace his work horse. This was in the days before tractors were affordable. He bought a horse from the widow of man from around the Naul who had succumbed to the drink. The horse (named Robin) was a fine strong animal but had a little quirk that my fil didn't know about for several days after buying him. One particular day he loaded that cart with cabbage and turnips to bring to the Smithfield market. He left the house a 4am as was customary at the time and traveled without incident into the city. On the return journey home later that morning when he got to the Boot Inn Robin refused to pass and would not continue home. No amount of coaxing, pulling and hitting would work. Mr. Weldon came out of the pub when he heard the commotion and laughed when he saw what was going on. He told my fil that the previous owner always stopped at the pub for a pint or two and that he would give Robin a nose bag whilst enjoying his drink. My fil never drank but from that day on he either went into the pub for a glass of orange or had a ice cream from Ms. Maxwells shop whilst Robin enjoyed his handful of oats.

NcdJd

Base price wrote: »

Bobby Savage had a painting in the window of his bookie shop on the main st in Swords. It showed 6 mares who were dams of Derby winners that were sent to Blandford who was standing in Cloughran Stud.

Thats what the coachman Inn used to be called - the Blandford Arms. My father worked there as well as most people from the area for a while. You had horses like Night Nurse, The Whistler, the list goes on. Just about remember Mrs Samuelson.

NcdJd

Say my name wrote: »

Is that a foaling house in the left hand back?
Looks like a house with no corners?

I heard it said that there was a stud farm where the horses had to have vision of the stars at night.
There's windows in the roof of that building too.
The same stud where people spoke of these intricacies was able to back it up with results so I'm told.

Thats the exercise ring and where the stallions used to cover the mares in Conway's yard. If you come out of the airport and take the slip road to go out at the m1 before you hit the roundabout at the top if the hill. If you look left you will see the site. The building is still there.

Dickie10

sorry i was away from boards for a day or two havent read through this yet. but it looks like this thread got legs! im a geography teacher but i like messing around on google earth/maps amazing stuff you see on it. also im a nosey git !

NcdJd

Some more pics here of cloghran stud

Spanish Eyes

Very enjoyable thread.

Spanish Eyes

My great grandfather used to have casual work in a small pig farm on Lower Kimmage Road. We have pics of him back in the day with the bonhams. All built on now.

I’ve no idea who owned it.

NcdJd

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

My great grandfather used to have casual work in a small pig farm on Lower Kimmage Road. We have pics of him back in the day with the bonhams. All built on now.

I’ve no idea who owned it.

There was alot of small pig farms around when i was growing up. My father used to also have a roadside vegetable shop and a bread man used to drop stale bread which would be picked up by a local pig farmer along with some waste from the veg. There was cakes and buns in it and meself and brother used to eat the stale buns. Once there was no mould on them ha.

forgottenhills

ganmo wrote: »

Where I'm talking about are in rathfarnham...and my address is rathfarnham.

Fair enough. I don't really know the Rathfarnham area very well but I know that outside the M50 it runs up towards the foothills with some farmland still surviving there and lots of golf courses. I was only considering the area inside the M50 from Dundrum over to the sea.

Do you know a Paddy Whelan who I believe owns some land somewhere up beyond Rathfarnham, only keeping some ponies on it I think?

ganmo

forgottenhills wrote: »

Fair enough. I don't really know the Rathfarnham area very well but I know that outside the M50 it runs up towards the foothills with some farmland still surviving there and lots of golf courses. I was only considering the area inside the M50 from Dundrum over to the sea.

Do you know a Paddy Whelan who I believe owns some land somewhere up beyond Rathfarnham, only keeping some ponies on it I think?

The name rings a bell but I wouldn't know the horsey crowd too well

NcdJd

Here's a question while I'm reading about the m50. When you go over the Liffey Valley bridge there are always some cattle down there. Who owns that herd?

Also across from where the Belgard Inn used to be. There is land still used for corn. Its across from CRH and as you travel to the turn off under the bridge to get on the Naas road towards the Red Cow. The land continues on the other side nearly as far as the JMC freight company.

Cattlepen

NcdJd wrote: »

There was alot of small pig farms around when i was growing up. My father used to also have a roadside vegetable shop and a bread man used to drop stale bread which would be picked up by a local pig farmer along with some waste from the veg. There was cakes and buns in it and meself and brother used to eat the stale buns. Once there was no mould on them ha.

The pig man wasn’t Hugo Byrne by any chance?

NcdJd

Cattlepen wrote: »

The pig man wasn’t Hugo Byrne by any chance?

No he's passed away. Man called Ned Hagan. Used tobhave pigs up the back of the coachmans in a building that the DAA knocked (Lime Park).

My brother used to sow corn for Hugo when he worked for Micheal Hannon over in Spricklestown. Used to send him over when he was in trouble ha. Hugo's remaining land beside behind the football pitches is rented out to local brothers, that you probably know.

Cattlepen

NcdJd wrote: »

No he's passed away. Man called Ned Hagan. Used tobhave pigs up the back of the coachmans in a building that the DAA knocked (Lime Park).

My brother used to sow corn for Hugo when he worked for Micheal Hannon over in Spricklestown. Used to send him over when he was in trouble ha. Hugo's remaining land beside behind the football pitches is rented out to local brothers, that you probably know.

Hugo was a ticket in his day

NcdJd

Cattlepen wrote: »

Hugo was a ticket in his day

Brother has some great stories of him and the crew that used to work for him. One of the lads is in his 70s and still driving tractors for Rodgers in Ballyboughal last i heard.

Cattlepen

NcdJd wrote: »

Brother has some great stories of him and the crew that used to work for him. One of the lads is in his 70s and still driving tractors for Rodgers in Ballyboughal last i heard.

A wild bunch

Birdnuts

NcdJd wrote: »

Here's a question while I'm reading about the m50. When you go over the Liffey Valley bridge there are always some cattle down there. Who owns that herd?

Also across from where the Belgard Inn used to be. There is land still used for corn. Its across from CRH and as you travel to the turn off under the bridge to get on the Naas road towards the Red Cow. The land continues on the other side nearly as far as the JMC freight company.

I think that area is part of the Liffey Valley linear park and can "never" be buit on. Noticed stock grazing on it too over the years. Also a herd just North of it on land that adjoins Castleknock college.

Birdnuts

Had an interesting chat recently with a former boss who was telling me when they bought their first home in Beamount during the mid 60's they were kept up on summer nights by Corncrakes calling from the fields at the back!! Apparently the species was still present in the Lucan area as recently as the late 70's!!

Buford T. Justice XIX

Base price wrote: »

I think it was Bertie Ahearn's father.

Thanks for that, Base, I just added a note to my post:)

coolshannagh28

Ko Chow wrote: »

Still looks to be something going on there to the south of Iveragh Road, at the backs of Plunkett College and St Aidan's. Would that be remnants of Albert College merged into DCU activity?

Yes tillage land on part of the old All Hallows ground bordered by Griffith Avenue.

Dickie10

so the big question is what do you refer to dublin farmers as? are they culchies? can you be a culchie and from tallaght?

Cattlepen

Dickie10 wrote: »

so the big question is what do you refer to dublin farmers as? are they culchies? can you be a culchie and from tallaght?

They have a name for them now
DULCHIES

Base price

Dickie10 wrote: »

so the big question is what do you refer to dublin farmers as? are they culchies? can you be a culchie and from tallaght?

I went to school (junior and secondary) at the Holy Faith Convent in Glasnevin and I was referred to as a culchie even though I lived a few miles out the road. In those days the Convent had a dairy herd and sheep were grazed on the grounds of the Bons Secours hospital on Washerwomens Hill.

davidk1394

Brilliant thread. My girlfriend lived in Rathfarnham last year for work. I went up around the Hellfire club a year ago and I never realised how close the city is to the Dublin mountains.

Base price

NcdJd wrote: »

Thats what the coachman Inn used to be called - the Blandford Arms. My father worked there as well as most people from the area for a while. You had horses like Night Nurse, The Whistler, the list goes on. Just about remember Mrs Samuelson.

I forgot that the Coachman's used to be called the Blandford Arms.

I met Mrs. S a few times in the early 90's at social events in Kilronan. I was an invited guest as I'm a family friend. She was a wonderful lady to talk too and full of stories of yesteryear. She recounted many stories but one that stands out for me is when she was in her late teens.
During the hunting season she and the staff used to be up early in the night platting/grooming and getting horses ready for hunting the following day. They would leave Cloghran in the dark hours, riding hacks whilst leading two or three hunt horses each. They would hack to Malahide train station, load the horses onto carriages and the train would deposit them at stations closest to the meet. Her father would arrive from the UK by plane into Collins Airport the next morning and driven to the meet to spend the day hunting. When the hunt was over her father would stay and enjoy the hospitality of the local landowners whilst she and the staff had to get the horses back home. If the hunt went on across country from the nearest train station or they missed the train then they had to hack back on the roads to Cloghran.
Imagine the reaction if you asked a teenager to hack a horse from Oldcastle to Swords, let alone asking them to drive a fancy modern tractor.

Cattlepen

davidk1394 wrote: »

Brilliant thread. My girlfriend lived in Rathfarnham last year for work. I went up around the Hellfire club a year ago and I never realised how close the city is to the Dublin mountains.

If you go to glenasmole which is barely beyond Tallaght you might as well be in the most rural part of Ireland there is. The road are borreens and there is no sound of traffic. A really beautiful scenic place

NcdJd

My father and mother always spoke/speak very highly of Mrs S. There is a house beside it that was sold a couple of years ago and don't know if the DAA were asleep on the day but a family managed to buy it and was delighted to hear that. Myself and father took a walk around it about 2 years ago. It's in a very sorry state. The DAA keep behives at the back of the house for their signature honey they sell in the terminals. There's a beef farmer that keeps some cattle there, rented off the DAA. Not local haven't a clue who he is.

Years ago during the Second World the owner of the Blandford arms was raided as they were printing counterfeit money in the room upstairs as you enter the side entrance where the coach used to be. My grandfather told me that as I think he was helping him out in it lol.

Base price

NcdJd wrote: »

My father and mother always spoke/speak very highly of Mrs S. There is a house beside it that was sold a couple of years ago and don't know if the DAA were asleep on the day but a family managed to buy it and was delighted to hear that. Myself and father took a walk around it about 2 years ago. It's in a very sorry state. The DAA keep behives at the back of the house for their signature honey they sell in the terminals. There's a beef farmer that keeps some cattle there, rented off the DAA. Not local haven't a clue who he is.

Years ago during the Second World the owner of the Blandford arms was raided as they were printing counterfeit money in the room upstairs as you enter the side entrance where the coach used to be. My grandfather told me that as I think he was helping him out in it lol.

I don't know the house that you mentioned but I'm delighted that it remains in private hands.

I haven't been in Cloghran since 1998 after Mrs. S passed. At that time it was only a shadow of it's former glory
Edit to add - I had the pleasure to meet Nipper a few times. He described/told me of the hay days of Cloghran Stud.

NcdJd

Base price wrote: »

I don't know the house that you mentioned but I'm delighted that it remains in private hands.

I haven't been in Cloghran since 1998 after Mrs. S passed. At that time it was only a shadow of it's former glory
Edit to add - I had the pleasure to meet Nipper a few times. He described/told me of the hay days of Cloghran Stud.

It was Nipper's house they bought! His wife passed on a couple of years ago and went up for sale then.

You'd probably remember Mr Molloy and Mr King so ha. Mr Molloy's brother used to be a wholesaler in the Dublin vegetable market.

Odelay

Base price wrote: »

I don't know the house that you mentioned but I'm delighted that it remains in private hands.

I haven't been in Cloghran since 1998 after Mrs. S passed. At that time it was only a shadow of it's former glory
Edit to add - I had the pleasure to meet Nipper a few times. He described/told me of the hay days of Cloghran Stud.

Excellent thread. My Dad harvested the last crop of wheat before Ballymun was built in the sixties. They had serious problems after that saving hay as it could often be set alight. He worked on the Lyons Estate.

I wonder if he knew Mrs S. as he always had a love of horses? Wish I could ask him now, but his time has passed.


Info on Mrs S. here.


https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Night+Nurse%27s+breeder+dies+at+age+of+75.-a060713277

NcdJd

Odelay wrote: »

Excellent thread. My Dad harvested the last crop of wheat before Ballymun was built in the sixties. They had serious problems after that saving hay as it could often be set alight. He worked on the Lyons Estate.

I wonder if he knew Mrs S. as he always had a love of horses? Wish I could ask him now, but his time has passed.

My father was just talking about her son Robin today to me. He lived in Careys yard. My mother and father were great friends with him.

Spanish Eyes

Cattlepen wrote: »

If you go to glenasmole which is barely beyond Tallaght you might as well be in the most rural part of Ireland there is. The road are borreens and there is no sound of traffic. A really beautiful scenic place

This is so true, it was where we went with our parents in the ancient Ford car no seat belts or anything. Gorgeous spot, and thankfully it still is to this day. A hidden gem.

Loving the thread, thanks to all contributors.

Base price

Odelay wrote: »

Excellent thread. My Dad harvested the last crop of wheat before Ballymun was built in the sixties. They had serious problems after that saving hay as it could often be set alight. He worked on the Lyons Estate.

I wonder if he knew Mrs S. as he always had a love of horses? Wish I could ask him now, but his time has passed.


Info on Mrs S. here.


https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Night+Nurse%27s+breeder+dies+at+age+of+75.-a060713277

I think that some of that land in Ballymun was owned by my mother in laws family. Unfortunately as she was the only female born in the family, she never received any inheritance. Whilst her six brother's inherited farms between 150-200 acres farms in the best of land in NCD.

ganmo

Dickie10 wrote: »

so the big question is what do you refer to dublin farmers as? are they culchies? can you be a culchie and from tallaght?

In Dublin we're culchies and down the country we do our best to blend in . It helps that my accent isn't pure dub but some lads theres no confusion.

Driving around back roads round the country I got annoyed at D regs too

Cattlepen

Odelay wrote: »

Excellent thread. My Dad harvested the last crop of wheat before Ballymun was built in the sixties. They had serious problems after that saving hay as it could often be set alight. He worked on the Lyons Estate.

I wonder if he knew Mrs S. as he always had a love of horses? Wish I could ask him now, but his time has passed.


Info on Mrs S. here.


https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Night+Nurse%27s+breeder+dies+at+age+of+75.-a060713277

St pappins chapel was across the road from where the flats were built and it’s where my parents were married. In the cineé footage from the wedding in the churchyard the flats aren’t there. They hadn’t been built yet

NcdJd

ganmo wrote: »

In Dublin we're culchies and down the country we do our best to blend in . It helps that my accent isn't pure dub but some lads theres no confusion.

Driving around back roads round the country I got annoyed at D regs too

Alright bud haha

Tractor I bought down the country last year, the man that was selling it had a shotgun in the back seat of his jeep and made it known to us. Wonder was it that we were Jackeens? Don't blame him to be honest, he was alright after talking to us for a while.

NcdJd

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2018/0521/964944-dublin-fruit-and-vegetable-market/

Dublin vegetable market.

Anyone remember the North Growers in Blakes Cross? Buddy started there and eventually started up the Dublin Seed Potato company in Ballymun.

kk.man

I remember sheep grazing in most of the area around lambs Cross near Stepaside that's about 15 years ago. It full of apartments now.

Not far from lambs Cross as you head up to Stepaside is a large lairagie for exporting cattle, I think its still there.

louis346789

Base price. Your mother in laws family.. Mcd...

ganmo

kk.man wrote: »

I remember sheep grazing in most of the area around lambs Cross near Stepaside that's about 15 years ago. It full of apartments now.

Not far from lambs Cross as you head up to Stepaside is a large lairagie for exporting cattle, I think its still there.

thats where benjy the 'gay' bull was shipped out from

Birdnuts

Odelay wrote: »

Excellent thread. My Dad harvested the last crop of wheat before Ballymun was built in the sixties. They had serious problems after that saving hay as it could often be set alight. He worked on the Lyons Estate.

I wonder if he knew Mrs S. as he always had a love of horses? Wish I could ask him now, but his time has passed.


Info on Mrs S. here.


https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Night+Nurse%27s+breeder+dies+at+age+of+75.-a060713277

Does the sir name "Managhan" ring a bell?? - the reason I ask is an aul lad I know from back home who farms near Kilteel(Kildare) told me his father sold the family farm back in the early 50's which became part of Ballymun. As well as the farm in Kilteel he treated himself to a brand new Packard hard top(think of the type of 50's cars still driven in Cuba) with the proceeds and would u believe it as of today parked still parked up at the back of the house!!

Aravo

Base price wrote: »

I think that some of that land in Ballymun was owned by my mother in laws family. Unfortunately as she was the only female born in the family, she never received any inheritance. Whilst her six brother's inherited farms between 150-200 acres farms in the best of land in NCD.

This is a great thread. What happened to these farms in NCD that the brothers got. Have they been built on since or are the families still farming away.

ted1

ganmo wrote: »

Airfield cant be sold or built on as it's a trust. It was set up by 2 sisters.

I can think of another spot where you'll see cattle grazing right beside the M50 and another where used to grow grain but is now in grass for silage which cant be built on because it has a gas main going through it.

those cows by the M50 are grazing where the new sports pitches are going as part of the cherrywood development.

someone has sheep in woodbrook in Shankill opposite woodbrook school https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Shankill,+Dublin/@53.2147875,-6.118726,285m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4867a8015fcf4c43:0x2600c7a819b93132!8m2!3d53.2332663!4d-6.1237578

Duke O Smiley

There is a German man farming in Balgriffin since the 60s. Haven’t met him in a few years, you’d wonder how he is getting on with all the building going on there now.

NcdJd

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

There is a German man farming in Balgriffin since the 60s. Haven’t met him in a few years, you’d wonder how he is getting on with all the building going on there now.

Does this man grow herbs?

You wouldn't know Balgriffin now with all the building going on. I haven't been or talking to anyone from up Limekiln Lane so don't know who's doing what up there. Mr Clarke still has his glasshouses opposite St Doulagh's church. Heading further down the teasasc institute isclosed apart from a school of some sort in it. Their land at the back is mostly being built on now.

There used to be a pick your own strawberries and raspberries across from the garage but dontbknow who's growing in there now.

Base price

louis346789 wrote: »

Base price. Your mother in laws family.. Mcd...

No.

Base price

Aravo wrote: »

This is a great thread. What happened to these farms in NCD that the brothers got. Have they been built on since or are the families still farming away.

All sold or built on bar one that is still in the same family.