Should Berlin in Dame St be closed down?

Suckit

completedit wrote: »

Yet when Supervalu arranged elderly coffee mornings at the height of the pandemic this was lauded on social media as an example of 'all in this together' and 'community spirit'

Overworked healthcare workers? It's their job to look after people. Who the hell goes into healthcare expecting to twiddle their thumbs. It's a hospital. They're sad places at the best of times. It's part and parcel of the job.

Who the hell goes into selling themselves online and expects everyone to love them for it?
Who the hell promotes a session during a pandemic, knowing that half or more of the pubs in the country are locked down as well as plenty of other businesses, and expects not to get called out on it?


I am not sure what you are trying to compare.

completedit

She organised some sort of brunch afternoon. What's the problem? There's loads of people profiteering off this.

Suckit

completedit wrote: »

She organised some sort of brunch afternoon. What's the problem? There's loads of people profiteering off this.

That's what you were trying to compare?

Edit -
I would also hazard a guess that that is the problem.
People 'profiteering off this' - without being mindful of the people who are losing their businesses/jobs slowly in front of their eyes, or the people that are afraid for their lives, or their relatives lives.

And then to flaunt it so brazenly..

hynesie08

completedit wrote: »

Yet when Supervalu arranged elderly coffee mornings at the height of the pandemic this was lauded on social media as an example of 'all in this together' and 'community spirit'

Overworked healthcare workers? It's their job to look after people. Who the hell goes into healthcare expecting to twiddle their thumbs. It's a hospital. They're sad places at the best of times. It's part and parcel of the job.

Jaysus you're absolutely right, I forgot the video of a deli worker standing on the counter pouring coffee into pensioners mouths while Vera Lynn played and my granny shifted someone....

Whoever organised that is a **** as well

Airyfairy12

They should lose their license and that girl Jess Brennan should be fined and prosecuted. Pub owners that are sticking to guidelines are losing their livelihoods and have now been pushed back and punished because of the selfish acts of her, the pub owner and everyone else involved while the rest of us are trying our hardest to do what we can to not spread this virus.
I cant believe people are actually sticking up for her and the pub owners.

lucernarian

completedit wrote: »

She organised some sort of brunch afternoon. What's the problem? There's loads of people profiteering off this.

3 hours, way beyond the supposed rules of an hour and 45 minutes. But without knowing more, I'm not that outraged by someone who, along with many others, all had a part in it. It's the owner, the bar with its Corona party in March that luckily got closed down, who is clearly acting in an executive role despite being a disqualified director, who's truly responsible if anyone is. It sickens me that he gets to profit and laugh all the way to the bank.

lucernarian

hynesie08 wrote: »

Jaysus you're absolutely right, I forgot the video of a deli worker standing on the counter pouring coffee into pensioners mouths while Vera Lynn played and my granny shifted someone....

Whoever organised that is a **** as well

Well ****ing said.

wandererz

completedit wrote: »

Overworked healthcare workers? It's their job to look after people. Who the hell goes into healthcare expecting to twiddle their thumbs. It's a hospital. They're sad places at the best of times. It's part and parcel of the job.

You said it yourself: Overworked.

They shouldn't be be overworked at the best of times.
During a pandemic as has never been known before they are or can be beyond overworked.

It's also not "their job" to go above and beyond to look after people.
They have a right to go in, do their job for the hours they are contracted to and to return home and carry on with their lives.

Did you think that they are beholden to the cause and because of the profession they took on?
What if you were forced to work 24hr+ shifts?

Hospitals have capacities. Maximum capacities. If they are exceedded, problems occur, people die.
The more they are exceeded, the more problems occur, the more people die.

Suckit

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Pub owners that are sticking to guidelines are losing their livelihoods and have now been pushed back and punished because of the selfish acts of her, the pub owner and everyone else involved while the rest of us are trying our hardest to do what we can to not spread this virus.
I cant believe people are actually sticking up for her and the pub owners.

You'll probably find that most of the people sticking up/defending this will be the first to go crying when things aren't going their way. When things get them down, or they can't handle a situation they would probably go running to somebody looking for sympathy. Maybe never experienced any harsh realities yet.

It would be a whole different story if this coronavirus mutated into something more deadly or like the spanish flu, mostly killed the young and healthy.

lucernarian

wandererz wrote: »

You said it yourself: Overworked.

They shouldn't be be overworked at the best of times.
During a pandemic as has never been known before they are or can be beyond overworked.

It's also not "their job" to go above and beyond to look after people.
They have a right to go in, do their job for the hours they are contracted to and to return home and carry on with their lives.

Did you think that they are beholden to the cause and because of the profession they took on?
What if you were forced to work 24hr+ shifts?

Hospitals have capacities. Maximum capacities. If they are exceedded, problems occur, people die.
The more they are exceeded, the more problems occur, the more people die.

Seems a far cry from the days of applauding our healthcare workers for what they had to go through, doesn't it? If this was a war fought by countries, it would be called treason.

virginmediapls

completedit wrote: »

Overworked healthcare workers? It's their job to look after people. Who the hell goes into healthcare expecting to twiddle their thumbs. It's a hospital. They're sad places at the best of times. It's part and parcel of the job.

Just so you're aware, you are a massive, massive **** and this is a vile, selfish and idiotic opinion to hold.

wandererz

completedit wrote: »

She organised some sort of brunch afternoon. What's the problem? There's loads of people profiteering off this.

I NEED TO KNOW!!

Did you get your ADMISH, your DISH, your SHOT, your hell of a lot of HOOLY as promised ???

Coz if you didn't then you were covered in sh1t3 and rolled over.

There are differing stories. Some say it was 20 secs of "Madness" and overblown.

Who was blowing whom and for how long?
What is considered over?

Or, indeed, what was being blown? Was it P, Was it C? Was it CR? Was it D? Was it H?.. na.

I was at the madness concert at the Point in 2010. I can categorically say there was absolutely nothing overblown there.

Back to the JB @Berlin session last weekend, and as advertised:

Were the BITCHES indeed BAKED??
Who were the COOKED CRAZIES?
Who was wearing the DESERT FESTIVAL FASH? - - was it probably or certainly the po trash?
Who won the FREE DRINK for the Most Creative Craziest COOKED Clobbers in their Glad Rags??

LET US KNOW. WE NEED & WANT TO KNOW!

DON'T WORRY, Everyone will survive!
If peeps are surviving CV-19, they will survive this too!

It does not matter! The biggest companies in the world...
They exist <<< that side of the pond<<<
Or maybe >>> that side>>>

Surely it doesn't matter here anyway, our rep is intact, coz Jess says so & we believe & follow her!

BTW,
@Revenue Commish: time to take a look at this Jess Dish.

Judging by the photos though, it's a Dish that's already been served cold and very late at night, many many times over. Nothing left to savour and exposed in the cold light of day.

#cancelled

Irishman80

Irishman80 wrote: »

No, I won’t. Just read back over the thread and listen to yourselves. A bunch of hysterical Karens.



No, they are been shafted by hysterical Karens who have lost all reasoning ability.

I think you should mention hysterical Karen's again. It makes you sound cool.

Plasandrunt

Plasandrunt wrote: »

Jess is my friend, she doesn't describe herself as a "model" or an "influencer". Her instagram has been private for quite a while also.

Whatever about your feelings about the event being held and the antics that went on, some people should be ****ing ashamed with themselves given the personal abuse about her looks etc.. she has gotten the past few days.

In fairness, it's not as if she doesn't court the attention. While she may play down the fact that she considers herself an influencer, she doesn't mind and actively encourages it when people describe her as such when she thinks it may be profitable or it is in a positive light.

https://www.hotpress.com/culture/irish-influencer-performer-jess-brennan-love-life-sex-22791264

I understand that she may be your friend, but she has willingly put herself in the public domain for monetary gain and for exposure. It is not unreasonable for people to comment on her if they have negative opinions of her.

Fame and notoriety are two cheeks of the same arse. You need to be prepared to suffer the bad with the good if the product you are selling is your privacy and your dignity.

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

In fairness, it's not as if she doesn't court the attention. While she may play down the fact that she considers herself an influencer, she doesn't mind and actively encourages it when people describe her as such when she thinks it may be profitable or it is in a positive light.

https://www.hotpress.com/culture/irish-influencer-performer-jess-brennan-love-life-sex-22791264

I understand that she may be your friend, but she has willingly put herself in the public domain for monetary gain and for exposure. It is not unreasonable for people to comment on her if they have negative opinions of her.

Fame and notoriety are two cheeks of the same arse. You need to be prepared to suffer the bad with the good if the product you are selling is your privacy and your dignity.

Hard to know who is the bigger idiot, the person themselves,or the bunch of
stults who ‘follow’ her.

Anyway.........

cj maxx

Are we gonna see the results soon from the poll ?

Grayditch

Once again, people need to see what she did from the perspective of the people waiting desperately to go back to work in a safe environment, which can be done.

The actual video isn't really that bad, but SHE filmed and uploaded it and handed the government another carte blanche, ruined so many people's chances of saving their buisness safely, I'm certain of this.

Thousands of pubs ordered perisable stock and covid signage with the few quid they had left in the hopes that the dates aren't pushed back again.

The majority of "food pubs" are doing things the right way and being careful. Thousands of "wet" pubs could have done the same, but this moron, and she is a moron, did this in a bar run by one of the dodgiest businessmen in the trade.

Honestly, **** her.

Homelander

The only thing she should influence is people to stay away from dodgy fillers and plastic surgery

Brendan Bendar

Homelander wrote: »

The only thing she should influence is people to stay away from dodgy fillers and plastic surgery

Put it this way, anyone who would be influenced by that ‘look’ would be seriously challenged.

Deebles McBeebles

Plasandrunt wrote: »

Her instagram has been private for quite a while also.

Did that happen at about the same time her Onlyfans account opened by any chance?

Muahahaha

Gannicus wrote: »

Why are the poll results hidden. Do you work for the Gubberment or do you work in the Berlin itself?

We're all meeting up in Berlin D2 on Sunday at exactly 14.11 to find out the results of this long awaited secret poll. Its 25 euro for your admish and your dish, desert festival fash is obligatory bitches

silver2020

Gannicus wrote: »

Why are the poll results hidden. Do you work for the Gubberment or do you work in the Berlin itself?

OP is in discussions with Daily Mail and Liveline to see which hysterical outlet will pay most for the rights to a screaming headline

Suckit

Deleted User wrote: »

In fairness, it's not as if she doesn't court the attention. While she may play down the fact that she considers herself an influencer, she doesn't mind and actively encourages it when people describe her as such when she thinks it may be profitable or it is in a positive light.

https://www.hotpress.com/culture/irish-influencer-performer-jess-brennan-love-life-sex-22791264

I understand that she may be your friend, but she has willingly put herself in the public domain for monetary gain and for exposure. It is not unreasonable for people to comment on her if they have negative opinions of her.

Fame and notoriety are two cheeks of the same arse. You need to be prepared to suffer the bad with the good if the product you are selling is your privacy and your dignity.

The questions in that interview... :facepalm: :sad:

Is there a pressure on you to be ‘on’ all the time – once you step outside the front door, you have to look hot and sexy?

You’ve got loads of sex appeal. What role does sex play in real life for you?

Tell us a bit about how you would choose a sex partner?

What did you think of Maura on Love Island? Is she your idea of sexy?

In Hot Press we’re big fans of the new sexual diversity. What’s your take on all of that?

I'm embarrassed to admit I ever bought it. Mind you a lot of them are going downhill, but somebody has scraped through the bottom of the barrel with that tripe.

silver2020

Gone very quiet here, possibly because gardai have confirmed as many of the more measured people here who don't read the daily muck or get excited over fakebook hysteria thought.

"Neither the owners nor staff at the Berlin D2 bar in Dublin can be prosecuted for the scenes witnessed on the premises last weekend as they broke no laws and were not in breach of any Covid19 public health regulations.

Garda sources said having reviewed the video they had reached the same conclusion as the owner and nothing arose that necessitated a prosecution.

While the footage led to controversy, Garda sources have told The Irish Times no laws or regulations were broken."

a lot of egg on face about I suspect

silver2020

silver2020 wrote: »

Gone very quiet here, possibly because gardai have confirmed as many of the more measured people here who don't read the daily muck or get excited over fakebook hysteria thought.

"Neither the owners nor staff at the Berlin D2 bar in Dublin can be prosecuted for the scenes witnessed on the premises last weekend as they broke no laws and were not in breach of any Covid19 public health regulations.

Garda sources said having reviewed the video they had reached the same conclusion as the owner and nothing arose that necessitated a prosecution.

While the footage led to controversy, Garda sources have told The Irish Times no laws or regulations were broken."

a lot of egg on face about I suspect

No egg on my face. If you are the opinion that what was shown in the video is acceptable behaviour during a pandemic, then I have no respect for you or your opinion

It may not have been illegal, but it was certainly irresponsible

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

Deleted User wrote: »

No egg on my face. If you are the opinion that what was shown in the video is acceptable behaviour during a pandemic, then I have no respect for you or your opinion

It may not have been illegal, but it was certainly irresponsible

It was quite irresponsible to discharge people into care homes but I don't see anyone in the HSE or such losing their jobs because of it.

Illegal and irresponsible are different things.

I don't believe anyone thinks it's acceptable but what the Garda statement shows is how weak and ignorant the Governments response to the pandemic is.

meeeeh

silver2020 wrote: »

Gone very quiet here, possibly because gardai have confirmed as many of the more measured people here who don't read the daily muck or get excited over fakebook hysteria thought.

"Neither the owners nor staff at the Berlin D2 bar in Dublin can be prosecuted for the scenes witnessed on the premises last weekend as they broke no laws and were not in breach of any Covid19 public health regulations.

Garda sources said having reviewed the video they had reached the same conclusion as the owner and nothing arose that necessitated a prosecution.

While the footage led to controversy, Garda sources have told The Irish Times no laws or regulations were broken."

a lot of egg on face about I suspect

It's because a lot of Irish regulations are not the law. In the same way as cocooning was not a law. Of course if you read the article they are looking into how to change this. Nice selective quoting btw.

meeeeh

Angela Breezy Vane wrote: »

It was quite irresponsible to discharge people into care homes but I don't see anyone in the HSE or such losing their jobs because of it.

Illegal and irresponsible are different things.

I don't believe anyone thinks it's acceptable but what the Garda statement shows is how weak and ignorant the Governments response to the pandemic is.

I think Ireland likes to do policing with consent. It works for majority of decent people but for scum you need laws.

lucernarian

silver2020 wrote: »

Gone very quiet here, possibly because gardai have confirmed as many of the more measured people here who don't read the daily muck or get excited over fakebook hysteria thought.

"Neither the owners nor staff at the Berlin D2 bar in Dublin can be prosecuted for the scenes witnessed on the premises last weekend as they broke no laws and were not in breach of any Covid19 public health regulations.

Garda sources said having reviewed the video they had reached the same conclusion as the owner and nothing arose that necessitated a prosecution.

While the footage led to controversy, Garda sources have told The Irish Times no laws or regulations were broken."

a lot of egg on face about I suspect

There are no regulations here they can enforce, but it's a proven fact the event was for 3 hours while the max time inside a pub serving food is 1hr 45 mins as per the public health advice. Even if you want to disregard that ridiculous video.

Cereal_Killer

I’d imagine the same scenes are happening in pubs up and down the country, and unfortunately for Berlin the person who live streamed it had a significant following.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

lucernarian wrote: »

There are no regulations here they can enforce, but it's a proven fact the event was for 3 hours while the max time inside a pub serving food is 1hr 45 mins as per the public health advice. Even if you want to disregard that ridiculous video.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it's not a pub it's a cafe the 105 minutes is only if 2-metres is not possible.

Physical distancing of 2-metres should be maintained between tables. However, if this is not possible, this can be reduced
to 1 metre in controlled environments if all of the other risk mitigations requirements outlined have been met AND pre- booked time-limited slots are in place, which are a maximum of
1 hour 45 minutes duration.

https://failtecdn.azureedge.net/failteireland/Guidelines-for-Re-opening-Restaurants-and-Cafes.pdf

silver2020

meeeeh wrote: »

It's because a lot of Irish regulations are not the law. In the same way as cocooning was not a law. Of course if you read the article they are looking into how to change this. Nice selective quoting btw.

No selective quoting whatsoever

I did omit a couple of additional lines

neither he, nor any of the staff, committed any offence that might result in a Garda investigation, according to informed sources.

and

Garda sources said having reviewed the video they had reached the same conclusion as the owner and nothing arose that necessitated a prosecution.

So the gardai said that after viewing the cctv they confirm absolutely that no laws OR regulations were broken. In fact they have gone out of their way to say it four different ways in one statement just in case any hysterical karens don't get it the 1st, 2nd or 3rd times.

Frankly the garda statement cannot be clearer

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/berlin-d2-bar-to-avoid-prosecution-over-controversial-scenes-say-garda-sources-1.4334236

CrankyHaus

The only that proves is that Guidelines that rely on consent are inadequate and that the government has failed to pass laws to prevent unsafe practices that will cause Covid to spread.

Zulu

silver2020 wrote: »

Gone very quiet here, possibly because ...

Kudos, you entirely missed the point. And by a very long way.

silver2020

Zulu wrote: »

Kudos, you entirely missed the point. And by a very long way.

No point was missed. All the naysayers saw something that wasn't there, jumped on a bandwagon and couldn't be bothered to actually look properly at the clips.

I and a few others pointed this out time and time again and certain posters vilified our posts.

Gardai have been abundantly clear that no laws and no regulations were breached.

No point missed, just used my own eyes to see that it was nothing like the outrage the wild hysterical karens all had about it and their jealousy that people were enjoying themselves

meeeeh

silver2020 wrote: »

No selective quoting whatsoever

I did omit a couple of additional lines

neither he, nor any of the staff, committed any offence that might result in a Garda investigation, according to informed sources.

and

Garda sources said having reviewed the video they had reached the same conclusion as the owner and nothing arose that necessitated a prosecution.

So the gardai said that after viewing the cctv they confirm absolutely that no laws OR regulations were broken. In fact they have gone out of their way to say it four different ways in one statement just in case any hysterical karens don't get it the 1st, 2nd or 3rd times.

Frankly the garda statement cannot be clearer

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/berlin-d2-bar-to-avoid-prosecution-over-controversial-scenes-say-garda-sources-1.4334236

From the sane article:

Those measures are guidelines that publicans have been asked to follow rather than regulations they must follow. And because the Government decided the measures should be advisory rather than “penal”, gardaí have no enforcement power.

They have no power to close a pub on the spot and have no other enforcement powers at their disposal to take action against pubs.

Under long-standing legislation, which predates the Covid-19 pandemic, if gardaí find any workplace environment they believe poses a health risk they can inform the Health and Safety Authority. It has the power to apply to the courts for a business closure order.

Gardaí also have the power to object to a liquor licence being granted at a pub’s annual liquor licence hearing.

Deebles McBeebles

Bunch of bloody SJW, lefty, bandwagon jumping, snowflake Karen's, the lot of ye.

When's the next thrash fash bash and whats the admish?

Zulu

silver2020 wrote: »

No point was missed....

Ah right, you're just being deliberately obtuse. Got it.

Deebles McBeebles

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Bunch of bloody SJW, lefty, bandwagon jumping, snowflake Karen's, the lot of ye.

When's the next thrash fash bash and whats the admish?

3 fiddy

L1011

meeeeh wrote: »

Gardaí also have the power to object to a liquor licence being granted at a pub’s annual liquor licence hearing.

And in this case, almost certainly will do so.

Misbehaviour that doesn't break the law is enough to lose a licence; and when it comes to the COVID recommendations the barrister who actually wrote the book (not figuratively) on the process has said that it'll be a dead cert.

You can appeal etc but it could be months closed entirely and with no supports; the usual process to get the licence back is to sell the premises.

Grayditch

I'd be very surprised if they closed it/denied it a licence. But the whole thing is a beautiful gift for the government to further ignore the calls of the rest of the pubs and nightlife staff/entertainment/live music industry.

But you know... "tHe gARds sAid wE dID nOtHIng iLlegal" so let the vindicated fire away with the indignant status updates for even more delish hits on social media.

#justiceforberlin etc!

Billgirlylegs

meeeeh wrote: »

From the sane article:

Those measures are guidelines that publicans have been asked to follow rather than regulations they must follow. And because the Government decided the measures should be advisory rather than “penal”, gardaí have no enforcement power.

They have no power to close a pub on the spot and have no other enforcement powers at their disposal to take action against pubs.

Under long-standing legislation, which predates the Covid-19 pandemic, if gardaí find any workplace environment they believe poses a health risk they can inform the Health and Safety Authority. It has the power to apply to the courts for a business closure order.

Gardaí also have the power to object to a liquor licence being granted at a pub’s annual liquor licence hearing.

When in a hole, stop digging.

Nothing to see here

Irishman80

Jess is pretty bang on here.

When Simon Harris was Minister for Health, he oversaw a health service which completely abandoned nursing/care homes which resulted in the deaths of over 1200 old people.

But he is outraged by a few young people dancing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/berlin-d2-jess-brennan-5181390-Aug2020/

Simon * Harris

MOD NOTE: *SNIPPED.

Birdie Num Num

Irishman80 wrote: »

Jess is pretty bang on here.

When Simon Harris was Minister for Health, he oversaw a health service which completely abandoned nursing/care homes which resulted in the deaths of over 1200 old people.

But he is outraged by a few young people dancing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/berlin-d2-jess-brennan-5181390-Aug2020/

Simon Harris.

The majority of which were privately run profitable businesses.

The White Wolf

Lundstram wrote: »

Because people were in there enjoying themselves?

No.

All the old Facebook fogies having a conniption over this video. Hilarious stuff.

Ya reckon it's just the old fogies having a conniption? Because it ain't sir. Plenty of young lads and ones losing their minds over the pubs.

Irishman80

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

The majority of which were privately run profitable businesses.

Are you suggesting the Minister for Health does not have the obligation to address privately run profitable businesses in the Health Care sector at the height of a pandemic?

wandererz

Irishman80 wrote: »

Jess is pretty bang on here.

When Simon Harris was Minister for Health, he oversaw a health service which completely abandoned nursing/care homes which resulted in the deaths of over 1200 old people.

But he is outraged by a few young people dancing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/berlin-d2-jess-brennan-5181390-Aug2020/

Simon Harris.

Hah! Funny that they choose to show a pic of the bartenders behind.

Here's one of her directly from Google :
https://images.app.goo.gl/qB2hLxWv4wdFT4jn7

Now who would most people pay verbal attention to?
The minister for health or "that"??

Buford T. Justice XIX

Irishman80 wrote: »

Jess is pretty bang on here.

When Simon Harris was Minister for Health, he oversaw a health service which completely abandoned nursing/care homes which resulted in the deaths of over 1200 old people.

But he is outraged by a few young people dancing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/berlin-d2-jess-brennan-5181390-Aug2020/

Simon * Harris

MOD NOTE: *SNIPPED.

Mod note: Dial it back while you still have an opportunity to do so here.

Buford T. Justice

Irishman80

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Mod note: Dial it back while you still have an opportunity to do so here.

Buford T. Justice

No problem, will do.

The response from the influencer is exactly as expected. No culpability, no remorse and no responsibility taken. It's good she referenced the government and their golf outing as it was equally as reprehensible.

No laws broken.

No ****s given.

Apparently people can only act responsibly if there is a law to permit them doing otherwise.

Same pricks that think we live in a nanny state.