Sinn Fein Omerta

grayzer75

jh79 wrote: »

And do you think it's appropriate for such a person to be friends with an MLA and attend SF functions?

Personally, no I don't.

onh81

blanch152 wrote: »

It is a disgrace that posters are allowed repeat the smears and slurs about Paul Quinn when the party they profess to support has apologised for them.

It is disgusting and despicable, gutter-sniping of the worst kind.

Yeah, and I’m sure you care so dearly about a 21 year old killed 13 years ago.

Truthvader

onh81 wrote: »

Yeah, and I’m sure you care so dearly about a 21 year old killed 13 years ago.

Well probably enough to not want to be governed by the same people - or their apologists and supporters if nothing else

IAMAMORON

What disturbs me most is that IRA supporters are more comfortable with blaming Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael with using the Quinn family as some sort of political propaganda ... as opposed to fessing up and admitting it was a chronic murder of an Irish civilian by and underground terrorist organisation?

It is the coldness of the denial and the shoulder shrugging that bugs me most. It's like it is okay for Irish nobodies to be tortured and buried and left for dead as long as we have our little movement?

FrancieBrady

IAMAMORON wrote: »

What disturbs me most is that IRA supporters are more comfortable with blaming Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael with using the Quinn family as some sort of political propaganda ... as opposed to fessing up and admitting it was a chronic murder of an Irish civilian by and underground terrorist organisation?

It is the coldness of the denial and the shoulder shrugging that bugs me most. It's like it is okay for Irish nobodies to be tortured and buried and left for dead as long as we have our little movement?

I'll repeat it was a sick and twisted murder and totally unjustified.

smurgen

Sums up the current diversion of attention.

https://twitter.com/MarkAgitprop/status/1295676334048452609?s=19

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Not really, anyone who follows elections closely knows that the electoral register in the South is a complete mess, with no control over eligibility. Anyone who answers the door to a Sinn Fein canvasser knows that a significant proportion of them are from outside the jurisdiction.

Claptrap. You come off like Trump. Got in but still claims it might be rigged a complete mess.
So FG the Greens might have done worse?

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'll repeat it was a sick and twisted murder and totally unjustified.

Yet you are willing to vote for a party that invites members of the gang that killed him to party functions.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

Yet you are willing to vote for a party that invites members of the gang that killed him to party functions.

If I were to select a party to vote for that had members who have never did something reprehensible or wrong...from violent conduct to fraud to doing something wrong that I don't agree with...I wouldn't have any party to vote for.

Simple as that jh79.

Who do you vote for/support and we'll have a look at their membership.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If I were to select a party to vote for that had members who have never did something reprehensible or wrong...from violent conduct to fraud to doing something wrong that I don't agree with...I wouldn't have any party to vote for.

Simple as that jh79.

Who do you vote for/support and we'll have a look at their membership.

Pick any party and none of them have murderers within their ranks.

If fraud is the crime , tell us what happened to all the IRA millions, how Jock got all his holiday homes etc.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

Pick any party and none of them have murderers within their ranks.

If fraud is the crime , tell us what happened to all the IRA millions, how Jock got all his holiday homes etc.

How many of those 'party's' were involved directly in a conflict/war in the last 50 years?

Not up to me to tell you anything...if a party has illegal millions or is involved in fraud then that is for those with the evidence to prosecute them.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How many of those 'party's' were involved directly in a conflict/war in the last 50 years?

Not up to me to tell you anything...if a party has illegal millions or is involved in fraud then that is for those with the evidence to prosecute them.

So what would be the tipping point for you to not vote SF?

Would another murder by "Good Republicans" do it?

If Paul Murphy continues to associate with Paul Quinn's murderers and continues to grant them centre stage at SF functions?

I'd rather be poorer due to high rents and increased cost of living than live in a country where the government turns a blind eye to murder.

James Brown

Truthvader wrote: »

The difficulty is that for Sinn Fein IRA if they did have an interest in adding to their pain it wouldn't cost them a second thought. Quite happy with their 30 years of sub human savagery as long as they had an "interest" in it. Your fellow travellers are on here trying to re-run the "Paul Quinn was a criminal" lie - even though the official Sinn Fein position is to apologise for that lie. Still whatever works....

They might have heard it from the then Taoiseach Bertie Ahern.
No worries you can use him and his family in the next election.
Is it people saying he was a criminal or people like yourself bringing it up to use a murder victim and his family for party propaganda that's wrong?

Patrick2010

More background for those not aware of the killing...

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/sinn-feins-conor-murphy-and-the-provo-boss-linked-to-paul-quinn-murder-39001943.html

This is Sinn Fein Finance Minister Conor Murphy with the IRA commander whose gang members are accused of murdering Paul Quinn.

Mr Murphy is photographed enjoying a meal and drinks with Frank 'One Shot' McCabe, and also socialising with him at the Sinn Fein Newry and Armagh Christmas party just two months ago.

McCabe was the 'officer commanding' (OC) of the IRA in South Armagh when its members lured the 21-year-old Cullyhanna man to a barn in Oram, Co Monaghan, and beat him to death with iron bars and nail-studded cudgels.

Weeks after Paul Quinn's murder, Conor Murphy branded him a smuggler and a criminal. He insisted that the Provos weren't responsible for the brutal killing.

"I have spoken to the IRA in his area and I am satisfied with the assurances they gave me, very solid assurances, that they weren't involved in his death," he said.

Years later, the Sinn Fein minister denied that he had accused Paul of being a criminal but he was forced to admit he had done so, and to retract the slur, after the BBC tape of his interview was unearthed during the Dail election campaign last month.

While he apologised to the Quinns, he has refused their request to unambiguously state that their son wasn't a criminal. Paul's parents have asked why he won't follow the example of Sinn Fein leaders, Mary Lou McDonald and Michelle O'Neill, and say those words.

Mr Murphy again refused to do so at a press conference at Stormont.

5 February, 2020 - by Conor Murphy
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“I have consistently and unreservedly condemned the murder of Paul Quinn.

“Those who murdered him are criminals and need to be brought to justice.

“I repeat my call on anyone with any information on his murder to bring it to the Gardaí or the PSNI.

“I very much regret comments I made in the aftermath of Paul's murder which have added to the grief felt by the Quinn family.

“I apologise for those remarks and I unreservedly withdraw them.

“Once again I offer to meet the Quinn family at a time and place of their convenience.”

There you go Francie, Is Conor Murphy a liar this year or when he labeled Paul Quinn a criminal?

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

Kinda unlike a few from within FG though, including, TDs and Minister's, right the way up to former finance minister.

And? What's your absolutely off topic point?

JohnnyFlash

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/hesitancy-of-witness-in-the-case-against-brady-shows-that-sinn-fein-simply-isnt-a-normal-dail-party-39461328.html

Strong piece in the Independent today about how SF are not a normal political party.

We now know it was Gerry Adams who gave the nod to allow a SF member to make a statement to the police. What did he mean when he suggested Brady ‘wasn’t one of ours’? A member of SF? A member of criminal enterprises closely linked to ‘good republicans? And the next question is - if Brady was ‘one of ours’ then would Adams have had a different answer to give?

I won’t mince my words here - there’s something deeply sinister and vaguely fascist about SF, and people who vote for them should be utterly ashamed of themselves. The only political party operating on a large scale in Europe with deep links to paramilitary criminal organisations. Time to get your moral compass retuned.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here is what we know according to what has been said by various sources.
The Irish Times
Gardai got a 'break in the case' when contacted by a SF rep with details of a witness.

From SF:
A Detective Inspector asked for Adams help as party leader to convince the witness to give evidence.

The witness gave evidence.

The evidence wasn't used.

Ah I see, more selective quoting. The inspector is also quoted in the article. Why are you ignoring that?

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

So what would be the tipping point for you to not vote SF?

Would another murder by "Good Republicans" do it?

If Paul Murphy continues to associate with Paul Quinn's murderers and continues to grant them centre stage at SF functions?

I'd rather be poorer due to high rents and increased cost of living than live in a country where the government turns a blind eye to murder.

Republicans are just as likely to be involved in crime as Socialists, Liberals, Communists etc etc.

I was able to vote for SF when I was satisfied the IRA was gone and that they were enacting their commitments to the GFA.
Simple as that.

If I believe they are not doing that and that the IRA are operating then I won't be voting for them.

I wouldn't vote for Connor Murphy for the same reason I never voted for the former SF TD here. I don't like them as people. Exactly the same reason I wouldn't vote for my local FF rep but have voted for the FG rep on occaision.

Nobody or no party owns my vote in other words.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Republicans are just as likely to be involved in crime as Socialists, Liberals, Communists etc etc.

I was able to vote for SF when I was satisfied the IRA was gone and that they were enacting their commitments to the GFA.
Simple as that.

If I believe they are not doing that and that the IRA are operating then I won't be voting for them.

I wouldn't vote for Connor Murphy for the same reason I never voted for the former SF TD here. I don't like them as people. Exactly the same reason I wouldn't vote for my local FF rep but have voted for the FG rep on occaision.

Nobody or no party owns my vote in other words.

If SF grant favours or offers support to former IRA members who are actively operating as criminal gangs , would that be enough to lose your support?

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

If SF grant favours or offers support to former IRA members who are actively operating as criminal gangs , would that be enough to lose your support?

What do you mean by this?

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What do you mean by this?

Simple question really. How far would SF have to go to lose your support? The conflict, as you call it is over, so no longer an excuse.

jm08

IAMAMORON wrote: »

What disturbs me most is that IRA supporters are more comfortable with blaming Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael with using the Quinn family as some sort of political propaganda ... as opposed to fessing up and admitting it was a chronic murder of an Irish civilian by and underground terrorist organisation?

It is the coldness of the denial and the shoulder shrugging that bugs me most. It's like it is okay for Irish nobodies to be tortured and buried and left for dead as long as we have our little movement?

But it was Bertie Ahearn who said it was criminal activitiy originally. He had got his information from the Gardai/PSNI.


Garda says Quinn killing a criminal feud - Ahern

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/garda-says-quinn-killing-a-criminal-feud-ahern-1.982248

jh79

jm08 wrote: »

But it was Bertie Ahearn who said it was criminal activitiy originally. He had got his information from the Gardai/PSNI.


Garda says Quinn killing a criminal feud - Ahern

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/garda-says-quinn-killing-a-criminal-feud-ahern-1.982248

What difference does it make anyways? The issue here is that the perpetrators associate with Conor Murphy and SF.

You don't have any issue with SF inviting organised crime gangs to official functions?

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

Simple question really. How far would SF have to go to lose your support? The conflict, as you call it is over, so no longer an excuse.

Did you read the bit where I said what it took for me to give them a vote? Just reverse that.

I'll add that I don't think SF are fit to govern on their own yet and I want them primarily in a government to break the damaging power swap we have had here for 100 years.

Once they do that, then who knows who I will vote for.
They don't and never have owned my vote nor tell me how to be a republican.

IAMAMORON

jm08 wrote: »

But it was Bertie Ahearn who said it was criminal activitiy originally. He had got his information from the Gardai/PSNI.


Garda says Quinn killing a criminal feud - Ahern

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/garda-says-quinn-killing-a-criminal-feud-ahern-1.982248

Keep it up, more deflection.

It is no longer a question of a subversive gang of chunts murdering their own... no ... it is a corrupt Irish politician calling them out.

Everything is ok now isn't it?

Keep shrugging the shoulders.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you read the bit where I said what it took for me to give them a vote? Just reverse that.

I'll add that I don't think SF are fit to govern on their own yet and I want them primarily in a government to break the damaging power swap we have had here for 100 years.

Once they do that, then who knows who I will vote for.
They don't and never have owned my vote nor tell me how to be a republican.

So if the same gang murder another person should SF continue to associate with them?

So you want to replace non violent cronyism / nepotism towards bankers and developers with violent cronyism / nepotism with criminal gangs?

James Brown

jh79 wrote: »

What difference does it make anyways? The issue here is that the perpetrators associate with Conor Murphy and SF.

You don't have any issue with SF inviting organised crime gangs to official functions?

Actually the issue was the witness for the prosecution in the Brady case.
Then it was someone in SF calling Quinn a criminal. Now it's the people you think were involved with the Quinn killing being invited to SF functions. i expect Shergar to come up in a few pages.

I think there are many former members of organised crime gangs, mostly connected to the IRA, in, around and democratically elected by the people, in SF. You didn't know this? The IRA didn't get grants from the IDA, although some ner'er do wells certainly did.

The realisation that despite SF's links to the IRA, more people from all walks saw them as a more favourable alternative to crony FG really bites I can imagine.

jh79

Bowie wrote: »

Actually the issue was the witness for the prosecution in the Brady case.
Then it was someone in SF calling Quinn a criminal. Now it's the people you think were involved with the Quinn killing being invited to SF functions. i expect Shergar to come up in a few pages.

I think there are many former members of organised crime gangs, mostly connected to the IRA, in, around and democratically elected by the people, in SF. You didn't know this?

I'm asking if ye think its appropriate for a political party to associate with criminals?

James Brown

jh79 wrote: »

I'm asking if ye think its appropriate for a political party to associate with criminals?

Active? No. Former, IRA pre GFA? Yes.

Criminality in general? No, but I can only think of the SD's and maybe PBP who might have a clean slate on that.

smurgen

jh79 wrote: »

I'm asking if ye think its appropriate for a political party to associate with criminals?

Who Larry Goodman and Fine Gael? No not it all and both will probably cause deaths of Irish citizens soon. In fact I bet you could trace deaths all the way from the meat factories right now.