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Sinn Fein Omerta

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    #242
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    Bowie wrote: »
    Active? No. Former, IRA pre GFA? Yes.

    Criminality in general? No, but I can only think of the SD's and maybe PBP who might have a clean slate on that.

    So Murphy's mates aren't active? Slab was only imprisoned recently.


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    #243
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    So if the same gang murder another person should SF continue to associate with them?

    So you want to replace non violent cronyism / nepotism towards bankers and developers with violent cronyism / nepotism with criminal gangs?

    It isn't 'SF' associating with them, a member of SF is associating with an alleged gang member.

    I wouldn't vote for Connor Murphy on that basis just as I wouldn't vote for Hughie McElvaney or Michael Lowry but I have voted for FG and would again if I wanted them in power.


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    #244
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    smurgen wrote: »
    Who Larry Goodman and Fine Gael? No not it all and both will probably cause deaths of Irish citizens soon. In fact I bet you could trace deaths all the way from the meat factories right now.

    Says it all really.


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    #245
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    smurgen wrote: »
    Who Larry Goodman and Fine Gael? No not it all and both will probably cause deaths of Irish citizens soon. In fact I bet you could trace deaths all the way from the meat factories right now.

    This is the type of tripe that gets posted.

    It's okay to murder and maim Irish civilians because because because theres theres theres eh eh , oh yeah there's a corrupt meat baron on the loose, going for dinner with politicians....


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    #246
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    jm08 wrote: »
    But it was Bertie Ahearn who said it was criminal activitiy originally. He had got his information from the Gardai/PSNI.


    Garda says Quinn killing a criminal feud - Ahern

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/garda-says-quinn-killing-a-criminal-feud-ahern-1.982248


    Quoting a statement from a lying politician made 13 years ago?. So that proves it wasn't a punishment beating carried out by Provos?


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    #247
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 52,012 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    From the report...


    ­ A number of people were involved in the incident although they did not all necessarily play a part in the actual killing. Amongst those involved were people who had in various ways been associated with the PIRA at a local level, including as members of the organisation. Some of these people were accustomed over a substantial period of time to exercising considerable local influence, collectively and individually. This would have led such people to expect what they would consider as appropriate respect from others and to being able to undertake their activities – including criminal ones – without interference; they would find it very difficult to accept any waning in this influence and respect;

    You can decommission weapons.
    You can never decommission the mind of a psychopath.


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    #248
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    jh79 wrote: »
    So Murphy's mates aren't active? Slab was only imprisoned recently.

    No idea. Call the Garda. Do we need go into a tit for tat crony, tax evasion, criminality pissing contest?
    I think FF/FG are crooked, yet I've given votes to FG on numerous occasions. Sometimes you have to hold your nose if you think the policies on offer are good for the country.
    All we have here is a blue collar/white collar situation. It's an age old discussion. It's tough to fiddle millions when you're not in power.


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    #249
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It isn't 'SF' associating with them, a member of SF is associating with an alleged gang member.

    I wouldn't vote for Connor Murphy on that basis just as I wouldn't vote for Hughie McElvaney or Michael Lowry but I have voted for FG and would again if I wanted them in power.

    At what point does it become a party issue? Also McElvaney isn't involved in murder, not comparable at all.

    Given my father worked for Eircom so not a fan of Lowry either but i'd be of the opinion that he wouldn't murder anyone so again not comparable.


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    #250
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    At what point does it become a party issue? Also McElvaney isn't involved in murder, not comparable at all.

    Given my father worked for Eircom so not a fan of Lowry either but i'd be of the opinion that he wouldn't murder anyone so again not comparable.

    Just glide over the point.

    If FG or FF member does something criminal...I don't tar the whole party with that brush.

    People associate with former members of the IRA all the time, it is more or less unavoidable here and in NI...I have been in the company of some I know to have been members.
    I would vociferously contest that my association with them was in any way an endorsement of the IRA whom I never supported.


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    #251
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    Quoting a statement from a lying politician made 13 years ago?. So that proves it wasn't a punishment beating carried out by Provos?


    From his statement in the Dail when questioned. He got his information from the Gardai/PSNI. Why would he lie anyway?


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    #252
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Just glide over the point.

    If FG or FF member does something criminal...I don't tar the whole party with that brush.

    People associate with former members of the IRA all the time, it is more or less unavoidable here and in NI...I have been in the company of some I know to have been members.
    I would vociferously contest that my association with them was in any way an endorsement of the IRA whom I never supported.

    The criminal elements obviously have influence over the party otherwise Jock wouldn't have got away with murdering McCartney. And your ok with that?


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    #253
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Just glide over the point.

    If FG or FF member does something criminal...I don't tar the whole party with that brush.

    People associate with former members of the IRA all the time, it is more or less unavoidable here and in NI...I have been in the company of some I know to have been members.
    I would vociferously contest that my association with them was in any way an endorsement of the IRA whom I never supported.

    The thing is Francie, if a Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael member does something illegal they get expelled from the party.

    Whereas in Sinn Féin / IRA you get a consultation process discussing damage limitation and how soon they bury the truth.

    That's the difference.


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    #254
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    The criminal elements obviously have influence over the party otherwise Jock wouldn't have got away with murdering McCartney. And your ok with that?

    Is there a difficulty here?

    I said it has taken time for me to vote for SF...I didn't vote for them until I was satisfied that they were fulfilling their commitments to the GFA and that the IRA were gone.


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    #255
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    The thing is Francie, if a Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael member does something illegal they get expelled from the party.

    Whereas in Sinn Féin / IRA you get a consultation process discussing damage limitation and how soon they bury the truth.

    That's the difference.

    No, FG just say, sit on the back benchs there and we will call you when we need you. Bertie will no doubt be the next Presidential candidate for FF. Lip service in other words.


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    #256
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    Quoting a statement from a lying politician made 13 years ago?. So that proves it wasn't a punishment beating carried out by Provos?


    Doesn't matter whether he was lying or not, it was he who made that statement in the Dail as Taoiseach.


    Obviously the grieving Quinn family were not too happy about it.


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    #257
    DaveCliftonAP
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭DaveCliftonAP


    smurgen wrote: »
    Who Larry Goodman and Fine Gael? No not it all and both will probably cause deaths of Irish citizens soon. In fact I bet you could trace deaths all the way from the meat factories right now.

    Jesus Christ, poor effort.


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    #258
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    onh81 wrote: »
    Yeah, and I’m sure you care so dearly about a 21 year old killed 13 years ago.
    Bowie wrote: »
    They might have heard it from the then Taoiseach Bertie Ahern.
    No worries you can use him and his family in the next election.
    Is it people saying he was a criminal or people like yourself bringing it up to use a murder victim and his family for party propaganda that's wrong?

    No ; beating someone to death in a shed is what's wrong. This is self evident to everyone else


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    #259
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No, FG just say, sit on the back benchs there and we will call you when we need you. Bertie will no doubt be the next Presidential candidate for FF. Lip service in other words.

    I could respect what you are saying if you could name any Fine Gael backbenchers with a criminal conviction?


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    #260
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I could respect what you are saying if you could name any Fine Gael backbenchers with a criminal conviction?

    How many of them were involved in a 30 year conflict/war though.

    That ravaged our country and political systems. That was always going to take time to put right and exclusion is not the way...exclusion caused the issue.

    I never had a problem admitting criminal elements attached themselves to both the IRA and SF.
    But frankly, I see a party that in the main is as committed to democratic politics as any other.


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    #261
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    And? What's your absolutely off topic point?

    Me directly replying to your post
    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    The monk has no criminal convictions and was tax compliant. Kinda like Gerry and the boys



    is me going off topic.......

    Think about that for a second.


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    #262
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    How many of them were involved in a 30 year conflict/war though.

    That ravaged our country and political systems. That was always going to take time to put right and exclusion is not the way...exclusion caused the issue.

    I never had a problem admitting criminal elements attached themselves to both the IRA and SF.
    But frankly, I see a party that in the main is as committed to democratic politics as any other.

    Ha ha ha ha ha.


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    #263
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    another thread to be strangled to death by shinnerbots ,

    fact is sinn fein are two or three generations at least away from being anything other than a organised criminal gang and they will carry the hangover as long as they facilitate and shelter criminals murderers fraudsters podophiles and other assorted freaks

    almost all politicians are crooks but some are more crook than others


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    #264
    grayzer75
    Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭grayzer75


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    another thread to be strangled to death by shinnerbots ,

    fact is sinn fein are two or three generations at least away from being anything other than a organised criminal gang and they will carry the hangover as long as they facilitate and shelter criminals murderers fraudsters podophiles and other assorted freaks

    almost all politicians are crooks but some are more crook than others

    Aye the real money is to be made by turning into another FFG.


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    #265
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    grayzer75 wrote: »
    Aye the real money is to be made by turning into another FFG.

    is politics about making money now ?


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    #266
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    DaveCliftonAP wrote: »
    Jesus Christ, poor effort.

    At what managing the safety of public health? I agree.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-meat-plants-direct-provision-5179355-Aug2020/?utm_source=shortlink


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    #267
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    is politics about making money now ?

    It is for Sinn Fein. Not one of them ever had a proper job


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    #268
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    is politics about making money now ?

    If you believe 'almost all politicians are crooks' what else would they be 'crooked' for?
    Free chips in the canteen?


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    #269
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Truthvader wrote: »
    It is for Sinn Fein. Not one of them ever had a proper job


    Whats a proper job in your opinion?


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    #270
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    The thing is Francie, if a Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael member does something illegal they get expelled from the party.

    Whereas in Sinn Féin / IRA you get a consultation process discussing damage limitation and how soon they bury the truth.

    That's the difference.

    And that doesn't happen in FF/FG? That's pretty naive.


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    #271
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Truthvader wrote: »
    No ; beating someone to death in a shed is what's wrong. This is self evident to everyone else

    I agree. What's your point?

    Criminality is only wrong if it's a crime you don't like?


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