Virgin 1Gb now available.

bk

deravarra wrote: »

Absolutely nothing wrong with that quote. For most people who live in the real world of a family all scrambling for internet connection with multiple devices - 4k streaming, online gaming, huge downloads and uploads - a 1 Gb download is well worth it.

No, I'm afraid non of that is true. All of the above work perfectly well on 250/25.

4k streaming - only uses about 25mb/s, you could simultaneously stream 10 separate 4k videos at the same time on a 250 service.

Online gaming - Hardly uses any bandwidth, latency/ping is more important for online gaming.

huge downloads and uploads - Usually throttled by the servers you are uploading/downloading too, you would rarely see 1gig download speed from most servers.

deravarra wrote: »

Again, a poor grasp of reality of what goes on in irish households. For the household with multiple connected devices, a 250 mb package will not cut it. As if all folks ever upload is a 2mb office document :rolleyes:
There are plenty of folks out there who upload considerably bigger files than that, and on multiple occasions throughout the day. I am one of those folks. My average document upload is approx 2 gb, and I would upload between 8 to 10 of these every week.

Most people, even those working from home, aren't frequently uploading large files.

Let's take your own example. 2GB (I assume you mean Gigabyte and not gigabit like your wrote), well on the 250 service it would take just over 11 minutes to upload. On the 1 gig service it would take 5 minutes 43 seconds (assuming the server you are uploading to can handle it.).

Sure, there is a difference there, but pretty marginal one. And do you really see a real benefit? Do you sit there twiddling your thumbs waiting for the upload to finish, would you not work on something else while the upload is happening in the background?

I do big uploads quiet a bit for work on the 250/25 service, it works fine.

If you are a serious uploader (videographer, etc.) then the 500/50 makes a lot of sense. But the 1gig/50 doesn't offer any extra upload speed over that and really doesn't offer much real world benefit to most people, not for the high price being asked IMO.

Don't get me wrong, if you want higher speeds, fire away. But most people are unlikely to see much real world benefit versus the 250 service and might want to consider if it is worth the extra cost.

deravarra

bk wrote: »

No, I'm afraid non of that is true. All of the above work perfectly well on 250/25.

4k streaming - only uses about 25mb/s, you could simultaneously stream 10 separate 4k videos at the same time on a 250 service.

Online gaming - Hardly uses any bandwidth, latency/ping is more important for online gaming.

huge downloads and uploads - Usually throttled by the servers you are uploading/downloading too, you would rarely see 1gig download speed from most servers.



Most people, even those working from home, aren't frequently uploading large files.

Let's take your own example. 2GB (I assume you mean Gigabyte and not gigabit like your wrote), well on the 250 service it would take just over 11 minutes to upload. On the 1 gig service it would take 5 minutes 43 seconds (assuming the server you are uploading to can handle it.).

Sure, there is a difference there, but pretty marginal one. And do you really see a real benefit? Do you sit there twiddling your thumbs waiting for the upload to finish, would you not work on something else while the upload is happening in the background?

I do big uploads quiet a bit for work on the 250/25 service, it works fine.

If you are a serious uploader (videographer, etc.) then the 500/50 makes a lot of sense. But the 1gig/50 doesn't offer any extra upload speed over that and really doesn't offer much real world benefit to most people, not for the high price being asked IMO.

Don't get me wrong, if you want higher speeds, fire away. But most people are unlikely to see much real world benefit versus the 250 service and might want to consider if it is worth the extra cost.

Pardon me for typing gb rather than Gb.

I have noticed a substantial difference between the previous services I have had with VM and the 500 Mbps that I have now.

Even if you might never go above the 120 kph speed limit on the motorway, it is nice knowing that you can. You just need the right road and the right car.
To suggest folks don't buy that jag or that they limit their driving to national roads is imposing your own views on others.

If you don't want the 1 Gbps service, don't go for it. But don't bemoan the fact that others have ordered it, or want it. It's their choice

Cuddlesworth

deravarra wrote: »

That's why they said a "good" mesh system. Plenty of folks buy a low cost system expecting it to be amazing. You get what you pay for.

The good ones are 1k plus. And they have a limited spectrum to work with, are limited to areas with power points and will go downhill fast as older devices connect(common wifi problem) and other "mesh" or powerful AP's go up in the vicinity. Also, the larger the mesh and the number of connected devices, the slower it gets due to congestion. Wireless, both 2.4 and 5 is a congested medium in general. And powerline, which is again a half duplex ring connection is no better.

deravarra wrote: »

Absolutely nothing wrong with that quote. For most people who live in the real world of a family all scrambling for internet connection with multiple devices - 4k streaming, online gaming, huge downloads and uploads - a 1 Gb download is well worth it.

Everything is wrong with that quote. Netflix themselves say, 25Mbps for a 4k steam with HDR. And its less then that, that's them being safe with their numbers. What household has 10+ 4K devices streaming at the same time? And this is ignoring how TCP works and how streaming services work around congestion.

deravarra wrote: »

Again, a poor grasp of reality of what goes on in irish households. For the household with multiple connected devices, a 250 mb package will not cut it. As if all folks ever upload is a 2mb office document :rolleyes:
There are plenty of folks out there who upload considerably bigger files than that, and on multiple occasions throughout the day. I am one of those folks. My average document upload is approx 2 gb, and I would upload between 8 to 10 of these every week.

Do you think 2 gig "documents" are common place? What exactly would constitute needing that much storage for a common office worker?

I will base my experience on the networks I manage, with offices with containing hundreds to thousands of people who do not use or require 1Gbps of download bandwidth in their day to day and have no onsite services besides the network.

And lets look a the difference for your niche use case.

The time in uploading between Virgins packages.
1000 = 5.35
500 = 5.35
250 = 11.11

The time to download those large files each week assuming the end to end line can provide the bandwidth.

1000 = 0.16
500 = 0.33
250 = 1:07

What a large difference this 1 gig network will make to your life. That extra 2.5 minutes a week must be well worth the extra 180 Euros a year to you. What a world you must live in, if your company isn't also paying out its arse for bandwidth it never uses.

deravarra wrote: »

What's even worse is assuming you know everyone's needs.

Perhaps you would feel more at home on After Hours :cool:

Don't bother with facts or figures, head straight to the insults to support your arguments. In the meantime I'll be here backing up my arguments with real numbers and real experience.

Cuddlesworth

Sockman1979 wrote: »

Been onto technical support for over an hour and I’m getting the usual excuses such as number of devices connected etc, just got. 68.8 download on wired connection ! And many dropped connections to the internet itself. WiFi signal can be full strength but no internet !

Sockman1979 wrote: »

And they tell me that 300 down is very fast on a wired connection ... did I miss something somewhere , thought i signed up for 1gb so I’d expect at least 8-900 on wired, only other thing on wired connection is the sky box

They are feeding you crap. During the day, using a wire and using speedtest.net with Virgins server you should get speeds at or close to the amount you are paying for.

It should also not be dropping multiple times a day.

Every Virgin speed upgrade in the past seems to have come with teething problems.

Cuddlesworth

deravarra wrote: »

Pardon me for typing gb rather than Gb.

I have noticed a substantial difference between the previous services I have had with VM and the 500 Mbps that I have now.

Even if you might never go above the 120 kph speed limit on the motorway, it is nice knowing that you can. You just need the right road and the right car.
To suggest folks don't buy that jag or that they limit their driving to national roads is imposing your own views on others.

If you don't want the 1 Gbps service, don't go for it. But don't bemoan the fact that others have ordered it, or want it. It's their choice

Makes no difference to either of us, never will. Its for the people who are not stuck in post-purchase rationalisation and are thinking of upgrading.

deravarra

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Don't bother with facts or figures, head straight to the insults to support your arguments

lolz

After hours is there for you

LoGiE

I've been using the new product the last few days and have been really happy with the speed boost, particularly with direct downloads to my wired NAS. Bundled with the new TV360 box and a small discount as an existing customer I have zero regrets. Additional upload would be nice but we'll see what happens over the next few months and perhaps another vendor may offer services on my area with a higher upload.

As I've mentioned in a previous post I've had a really good experience with Netgears mesh system (Orbi's) and had no problem maxing out the 500/50 connection anywhere in my home. On the new package 600 - 650 to my mobile and slightly less on my laptop seems to be the norm. I bought the router and 2 Satellites to cover my house from top to bottom (3 Floors) from Amazon costing about 500EUR. I've also installed them in the my old family home and the in-laws and they have been 100% solid.

deravarra

LoGiE wrote: »

I've been using the new product the last few days and have been really happy with the speed boost, particularly with direct downloads to my wired NAS. Bundled with the new TV360 box and a small discount as an existing customer I have zero regrets. Additional upload would be nice but we'll see what happens over the next few months and perhaps another vendor may offer services on my area with a higher upload.

As I've mentioned in a previous post I've had a really good experience with Netgears mesh system (Orbi's) and had no problem maxing out the 500/50 connection anywhere in my home. On the new package 600 - 650 to my mobile and slightly less on my laptop seems to be the norm. I bought the router and 2 Satellites to cover my house from top to bottom (3 Floors) from Amazon costing about 500EUR. I've also installed them in the my old family home and the in-laws and they have been 100% solid.

apparently you don't need the speed

bk

deravarra wrote: »

lolz

After hours is there for you

deravarra wrote: »

apparently you don't need the speed

MOD: Enough of this, you are just trolling now and not adding anything to this conversation.

sticker

Just insatlled mine - Wow...

Ordered it yesterday and arrived this afternoon.

sticker

LoGiE wrote: »

I've been using the new product the last few days and have been really happy with the speed boost, particularly with direct downloads to my wired NAS. Bundled with the new TV360 box and a small discount as an existing customer I have zero regrets. Additional upload would be nice but we'll see what happens over the next few months and perhaps another vendor may offer services on my area with a higher upload.

As I've mentioned in a previous post I've had a really good experience with Netgears mesh system (Orbi's) and had no problem maxing out the 500/50 connection anywhere in my home. On the new package 600 - 650 to my mobile and slightly less on my laptop seems to be the norm. I bought the router and 2 Satellites to cover my house from top to bottom (3 Floors) from Amazon costing about 500EUR. I've also installed them in the my old family home and the in-laws and they have been 100% solid.

Is this the Mesh System you got?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Protection-Satellite-Extenders-Eliminate/dp/B07T4CJBDG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=NETGEAR+Orbi&qid=1599242003&s=computers&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMllWODZEUzFHOVMwJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDk3MTI0M05KWE8xSFBKMEhHWSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTQ3MDMzM0VJQ09QOTIySjdNRSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Is there much setup?

I'm in a 3 bed semi with router in converted attic and main entertainment setup 2 floors down. Would I need the 2nd satelite? Can I use a switch to add more hard line ethernets to the satelite downstairs? Will it degrade the signal?

deravarra

bk wrote: »

MOD: Enough of this, you are just trolling now and not adding anything to this conversation.

Let's hope you admonish the others who added nothing to the topic but dismiss people who wanted 1 Gig.

It's one thing to say you personally do not need 1 Gb download speeds, but entirely another to be dismissive of those who want them.

bk

deravarra wrote: »

Let's hope you admonish the others who added nothing to the topic but dismiss people who wanted 1 Gig.

It's one thing to say you personally do not need 1 Gb download speeds, but entirely another to be dismissive of those who want them.

Everyone here is allowed to express the opinions on a particular product, offering both the pros and cons of a product.

I don't see anyone dismissing those who want 1gig. I see people with deep technical knowledge of the subject, offering their expertise, so those who might be interested in this product have a better understanding of it and if it will really benefit them and if it will be worth the extra money or not.

That way people can make an informed decision based on technically accurate information.

LoGiE

sticker wrote: »

Is this the Mesh System you got?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Protection-Satellite-Extenders-Eliminate/dp/B07T4CJBDG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=NETGEAR+Orbi&qid=1599242003&s=computers&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMllWODZEUzFHOVMwJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDk3MTI0M05KWE8xSFBKMEhHWSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTQ3MDMzM0VJQ09QOTIySjdNRSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Is there much setup?

I'm in a 3 bed semi with router in converted attic and main entertainment setup 2 floors down. Would I need the 2nd satelite? Can I use a switch to add more hard line ethernets to the satelite downstairs? Will it degrade the signal?

Yes, that's the setup I have and a similar house. I've used all three satellites, one on each floor, and have complete coverage. I've also used the coax run through the house by the builders to wire the Satellite in the attic using MOCA adapters.

I have a 16 port switch connected to the main router on the ground floor and it connects to multiple devices. You can do this for each satellite as each one has 4 gig ethernet ports on the back so plugging in switches or other device types shouldn't be an issue.

alec76

sticker wrote: »

Is this the Mesh System you got?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Protection-Satellite-Extenders-Eliminate/dp/B07T4CJBDG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=NETGEAR+Orbi&qid=1599242003&s=computers&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMllWODZEUzFHOVMwJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDk3MTI0M05KWE8xSFBKMEhHWSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTQ3MDMzM0VJQ09QOTIySjdNRSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Those seems to be very pricey at the moment, I’ve only paid £285 for RBK53 last year ( Amazon.co.uk)

sticker

LoGiE wrote: »

Yes, that's the setup I have and a similar house. I've used all three satellites, one on each floor, and have complete coverage. I've also used the coax run through the house by the builders to wire the Satellite in the attic using MOCA adapters.

I have a 16 port switch connected to the main router on the ground floor and it connects to multiple devices. You can do this for each satellite as each one has 4 gig ethernet ports on the back so plugging in switches or other device types shouldn't be an issue.

Many thanks.

Edit.. this nonsense battle between the pro's and con's of a 1 gig line on this thread needs to be put to bed. I'm very happy with my faster line and happy to pay a small increase in cost for it. As a consumer if you don't agree and want to stay with a lower package... you're choice and I respect that. But enough of the pointless bickering.

Thor

My results over the past day.




Defo something really bad going on there. I've been busy at work so haven't had a real chance to get to grips with it.

Using Opnsense router so enabled some monitoring to see what's going on.

LoGiE

alec76 wrote: »

Those seems to be very pricey at the moment, I’ve only paid £285 for RBK53 last year ( Amazon.co.uk)

Very true, I took a look and I paid £409.98 two years ago. I've seen them come up on sale often enough so maybe worth bidding your time!

KOR101

LoGiE wrote: »

Very true, I took a look and I paid £409.98 two years ago. I've seen them come up on sale often enough so maybe worth bidding your time!

https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07T4CJBDG

alec76

KOR101 wrote: »

https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07T4CJBDG

https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B072MY95N7?context=search
I think I’ve got this one
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Tempora

Thor wrote: »

Defo something really bad going on there. I've been busy at work so haven't had a real chance to get to grips with it.

At this point I think the finger has to be pointed at Arris. Yet another piece of crap Puma based modem. I'm pointing the other finger at VM because although I'm sure they probably didn't have a viable way to get out of the Hub3 with the Puma due to sunk costs, to decide to go with ANOTHER Puma based modem for the Hub4 is completely stupid. I don't understand the decision making at all, I really doubt it would've been that difficult to source a Broadcom based modem.

sticker

Can I ask a silly question... if I get a Netgear orbi and connect to new virgin 1 gig modem does the orbi Wi-Fi signal sit alongside the virgin Wi-Fi or override the virgin signal in the house? Do both signals appear in device Wi-Fi searches?

Is this the one recommended here
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B079W15TM9/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Sorry to repost but can I use a switch to extend 5 Ethernet lines to satellite unit?

alec76

sticker wrote: »

Can I ask a silly question... if I get a Netgear orbi and connect to new virgin 1 gig modem does the orbi Wi-Fi signal sit alongside the virgin Wi-Fi or override the virgin signal in the house? Do both signals appear in device Wi-Fi searches?

Is this the one recommended here
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B079W15TM9/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Sorry to repost but can I use a switch to extend 5 Ethernet lines to satellite unit?

1 You have to disable virgin WiFi , otherwise you would have major interference and weak performance for Orbi.
2 Nope , this would be wrong Orbi , RBK23 . Definitely not a go for gigabit service.
3 Yes you could use a switch with satellite unit .

deravarra

sticker wrote: »

Can I ask a silly question... if I get a Netgear orbi and connect to new virgin 1 gig modem does the orbi Wi-Fi signal sit alongside the virgin Wi-Fi or override the virgin signal in the house? Do both signals appear in device Wi-Fi searches?

Is this the one recommended here
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B079W15TM9/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Sorry to repost but can I use a switch to extend 5 Ethernet lines to satellite unit?

The one recommended is the RBK53S. That will get you pretty decent speeds around the house - as borne out by the experience of the folks who have it.

deravarra

sticker wrote: »

Can I ask a silly question... if I get a Netgear orbi and connect to new virgin 1 gig modem does the orbi Wi-Fi signal sit alongside the virgin Wi-Fi or override the virgin signal in the house? Do both signals appear in device Wi-Fi searches?

Is this the one recommended here
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B079W15TM9/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Sorry to repost but can I use a switch to extend 5 Ethernet lines to satellite unit?

You could also use the wifi signal off the VM Modem, and use the router and two satellites as AP's. I didn't know it was possible until this morning. A YT video exists on how to set up as such.

deravarra

sticker wrote: »

Got a tenner off for 6 months... existing customer

They wouldn't entertain any discount with me, even though I have been with them for years.

Reason: New product. Of course, that will change around end of contract time.

alec76

deravarra wrote: »

The one recommended is the RBK53S..

RBK50 (1 router , 1 satellite)
RBK53 ( 1 router , 2 satellites )
RBK53S ( S stands for security, includes 1 yer subscription for Netgear Armor )

alec76

deravarra wrote: »

You could also use the wifi signal off the VM Modem, and use the router and two satellites as AP's. I didn't know it was possible until this morning. A YT video exists on how to set up as such.

You could , but it is very bad advice.

deravarra

alec76 wrote: »

You could , but it is very bad advice.

It's just an alternative. Of course, the best thing to get as close to the best wifi speeds throughout the house, is get the 1000+ euro mesh system

alec76

deravarra wrote: »

It's just an alternative. Of course, the best thing to get as close to the best wifi speeds throughout the house, is get the 1000+ euro mesh system

That the thing , if you keep using VM WIFi along with ORBI wi-Fi it will reduce ORBI’s wi fi speeds dramatically.

deravarra

alec76 wrote: »

That the thing , if you keep using VM WIFi along with ORBI wi-Fi it will reduce ORBI’s wi fi speeds dramatically.

Agreed. But give the guy the option and let him decide in the end which is the best option for him.

smelly sock

Lads hold off on the 1gb. As other posters have said its a serious chunk of change and the 250 mb package will serve your requirements just as well.

TheDoc

Glad I stumbled onto this thread. I always jump onto the new Virgin speeds pretty much straight away.

Was ringing them up today to see what the story was with my bill(was more expensive than usual) and while waiting saw their 1GB package and was ready to go. While on hold had a quick glance at this thread.

Going to hold off, seems to have issues and be unstable. My Virgin net hasn't had any problems in years so don't want to knowingly introduce problems. The upload speed looks disappointing and to be honest the price they offering me, tenner for 6 months, wasn't great.

Going to ring back next month as my contact will be within 30 days and see what offers I get then, and maybe these launch issues are sorted

sticker

alec76 wrote: »

1 You have to disable virgin WiFi , otherwise you would have major interference and weak performance for Orbi.
2 Nope , this would be wrong Orbi , RBK23 . Definitely not a go for gigabit service.
3 Yes you could use a switch with satellite unit .

Cheers

sticker

deravarra wrote: »

They wouldn't entertain any discount with me, even though I have been with them for years.

Reason: New product. Of course, that will change around end of contract time.

I said a WhatsApp customer service bod said I could get a reduction - and Sales team just applied it...

sticker

deravarra wrote: »

The one recommended is the RBK53S. That will get you pretty decent speeds around the house - as borne out by the experience of the folks who have it.

Which one? I'm seeing two!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Protection-Satellite-Extenders-Eliminate/dp/B07T4CJBDG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=NETGEAR+Orbi&qid=1599242003&s=computers&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMllWODZEUzFHOVMwJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDk3MTI0M05KWE8xSFBKMEhHWSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTQ3MDMzM0VJQ09QOTIySjdNRSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Or

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Orbi-Amour-RBK53-High-Performance/dp/B07SJTT339/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=NETGEAR+Orbi+RBK53S&qid=1599300020&s=computers&sr=1-3

TheDoc

Point I'm also considering before upgrading is the current area I'm in ,where WiFi has been seriously degraded since COVID lockdown and so many people working from home. I had the 360MB package from them and I have WiFi to my main gaming Pc and was getting circa 350 speeds regularly.

Went to the 500MB package in November last year and while I got a few months out of it being great,

Speedtest right now



This is what I've been contending with since lockdown. Now while granted everything is working fine, annoying I'm not getting the speed I used to get. Also suffering problems with my WiFi on PC randomly dropping when I start big downloads.

May not be worth upgrading at all for people like me, and I've even toyed with the idea of downgrading until people get back to their offices. Crux I'm having is I recently got a 4K TV and it's blown me away how great it is, so we've been binging 4K stuff from streams but also downloads. The package is amazing where I have it cabled, into my Rpi and Nvidia Shield.

Decision decision decisions

sticker

I'm in Clonee and a lot of people working from home here also - Granted only got the modem setup yesterday but I've done a dozen speed tests and all 940 down and 55 up.

alec76

sticker wrote: »

Which one? I'm seeing two!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Protection-Satellite-Extenders-Eliminate/dp/B07T4CJBDG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=NETGEAR+Orbi&qid=1599242003&s=computers&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMllWODZEUzFHOVMwJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDk3MTI0M05KWE8xSFBKMEhHWSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTQ3MDMzM0VJQ09QOTIySjdNRSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Or

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Orbi-Amour-RBK53-High-Performance/dp/B07SJTT339/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=NETGEAR+Orbi+RBK53S&qid=1599300020&s=computers&sr=1-3

They all the same , just different sellers .
First one sold directly by Amazon, rest by third parties.

deravarra

sticker wrote: »

Which one? I'm seeing two!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Protection-Satellite-Extenders-Eliminate/dp/B07T4CJBDG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=NETGEAR+Orbi&qid=1599242003&s=computers&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMllWODZEUzFHOVMwJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDk3MTI0M05KWE8xSFBKMEhHWSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTQ3MDMzM0VJQ09QOTIySjdNRSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Or

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Orbi-Amour-RBK53-High-Performance/dp/B07SJTT339/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=NETGEAR+Orbi+RBK53S&qid=1599300020&s=computers&sr=1-3

Both are the same product - just two different sellers The cheapest one sold by Amazon themselves

dam099

alec76 wrote: »

2 Nope , this would be wrong Orbi , RBK23 . Definitely not a go for gigabit service.

"Definitely not a go" is way too strong advice for that router (which while not Wifi 6 is quite high end). That one will probably do 500-600 which is plenty for a lot of users even on a 1 gigabit connection.

Sure you may not be maximising your Wifi potential but apart from power users of laptops what wireless device is actually going to pull that level of data in real world use other than on a speed test?

There are other reasons to get 1Gb connections other than for a single Wifi stream, users utilising Ethernet may not need to maximise their Wifi or with dual radios more simultaneous users can get medium level speeds that more than suffice for their needs.

Totally accept you (and Sticker) may want to try and get 1Gb and be willing to pay the considerable premium for Wifi 6 which is fair enough but that router is a viable option for many.

sticker

If I opt for the 2 satelite Orbi option and the main hub max speed is in the attic and I plan to try to get max bandwitch downstairs in the sitting room 2 floors down, will the satelite there wired to a switch get a much lower speed over wifi or hold onto the 1gig-ish speed to ethernet connections through the satelite?

The devices I will be hard wiring in the sitting toom will be Sony Android TV, Sky Q box, PS4 and wired Chromecast Ultra...

alec76

dam099 wrote: »

"Definitely not a go" is way too strong advice for that router (which while not Wifi 6 is quite high end). That one will probably do 500-600 which is plenty for a lot of users even on a 1 gigabit connection.

Yea , surely it will .. I would say 200-300 mbps top, Wireless. Wouldn’t you better off buying Deco M5 instead ? As long as you don’t care for the speed , of course.
500-600 mbps would be the range for RBK50-53 which is also WiFi 5 btw.
As for the WiFi 6 it is different game altogether, RbK852-853

alec76

sticker wrote: »

If I opt for the 2 satelite Orbi option and the main hub max speed is in the attic and I plan to try to get max bandwitch downstairs in the sitting room 2 floors down, will the satelite there wired to a switch get a much lower speed over wifi or hold onto the 1gig-ish speed to ethernet connections through the satelite?

The devices I will be hard wiring in the sitting toom will be Sony Android TV, Sky Q box, PS4 and wired Chromecast Ultra...

I am not sure what are you trying to describe, but if u need maximum bandwidth through satellite, then you have to hardwire it to the Orbi main router(Ethernet from the Main Orbi router to Satellite )
You also have other option ,bring Main Orbi router downstairs .
.Bottom line ,you need to create Ethernet link between attic and sitting room if you want to have gigabit connection downstairs.
If you could create such a link, maybe RBK50 will do for you?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Ultimate-System-Satellite-Extender/dp/B01KVRRSNI/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B7SPJ3YA3CO5&dchild=1&keywords=rbk50&qid=1599317464&sprefix=Rbk%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-3
You also could get used stock from Amazon Warehouse, might be better value.

ps. If you think about different setup:
Orbi Router ( attic) >wireless link to Sattelite 1 ( second floor )> wireless link to Satellite 2 ( sitting room) , you’ll never get speeds over 300 mbps downstairs, wireless or hardwired ,regardless.You would need RBK853 for such a task.

sticker

alec76 wrote: »

I am not sure what are you trying to describe, but if u need maximum bandwidth through satellite, then you have to hardwire it to the Orbi main router(Ethernet from the Main Orbi router to Satellite )
You also have other option ,bring Main Orbi router downstairs .
.Bottom line ,you need to create Ethernet link between attic and sitting room if you want to have gigabit connection downstairs.
If you could create such a link, maybe RBK50 will do for you?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Ultimate-System-Satellite-Extender/dp/B01KVRRSNI/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B7SPJ3YA3CO5&dchild=1&keywords=rbk50&qid=1599317464&sprefix=Rbk%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-3
You also could get used stock from Amazon Warehouse, might be better value.

Yeah.. the more I hear I'm gonna have to extend the physical line down to the sitting room. Anyone recommend a decent affordable sparks?

alec76

That’s all you need , really.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07NDCXP63/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_3?smid=A2H9MSIILW7I5R&th=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crimping-Stripper-Connection-Connectors-Ethernet/dp/B06WW4SQB9/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=rg45+crimping&qid=1599319948&s=computers&sr=1-11

alec76

sticker wrote: »

The devices I will be hard wiring in the sitting toom will be Sony Android TV, Sky Q box, PS4 and wired Chromecast Ultra...

Another thoughts, are those devices capable of high speeds?
TV probably won’t go higher 70-100 mbps ( I had Samsung QLED, 70 mbps would be the max speed , wireless ( 5Ghz ) or wired , I also have top of the range LG OLED, last year model , I think it could go up to 170 mbps)
Chromecast Ultra , really ?
I think , the only device could benefit from high speeds is PS4.

sticker

alec76 wrote: »

Another thoughts, are those devices capable of high speeds?
TV probably won’t go higher 70-100 mbps ( I had Samsung QLED, 70 mbps would be the max speed , wireless ( 5Ghz ) or wired , I also have top of the range LG OLED, last year model , I think it could go up to 170 mbps)
Chromecast Ultra , really ?
I think , the only device could benefit from high speeds is PS4.

You might be right there - There may be a cap of limits on those!

Plenty of options anyway - barring me running the line myself. Absolutely muck at DIY :rolleyes:

I'd be happy to get the job done right a pay a few bob. Anyone know a cheap sparks?! I'm in Clonee...

TheDoc

sticker wrote: »

You might be right there - There may be a cap of limits on those!

Plenty of options anyway - barring me running the line myself. Absolutely muck at DIY :rolleyes:

I'd be happy to get the job done right a pay a few bob. Anyone know a cheap sparks?! I'm in Clonee...

I’m months trying to get a spark run some cable. Anyone I’ve got in touch with telling me they’ve too much on. And two of them are family haha.

alec76

sticker wrote: »

You might be right there - There may be a cap of limits on those!

Plenty of options anyway - barring me running the line myself. Absolutely muck at DIY :rolleyes:

I'd be happy to get the job done right a pay a few bob. Anyone know a cheap sparks?! I'm in Clonee...

You might as well drop Orbi idea off and go different route altogether.
Orbi more or less plug and play, DIY devices, doesn’t require any special knowledge or skills in networking.
Some industrial grade devices can do it much better and efficient, but you need someone to do it for you ( site survey, mapping dead zones etc, cabling , configuration specific for your property )
What I am saying, 2 of those or similar

https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-access-points/products/unifi-ac-pro
will do better job than consumer grade Orbi.
Surely even if you’ll pay €200-300 for labour , it might be better option.
ps. Just a thoughts, I am not sure who can do it for you.